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Old August 28, 2019, 20:08   #1051
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I'm sayin' don't get all skeered bout no ships

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Old August 28, 2019, 20:13   #1052
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I'm sayin' don't get all skeered bout no ships

or EMPs
Excited,,,naw,,,paying a little attention to all of these possibilities,,,sure.

Some virus or just a big old dumb rock falling out of the sky is more likely than anything else.

Mother nature remains,,,the worlds number one serial killer.
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Well, I'm just the messenger here. I have sat in enough meetings ( actual tests, economic/political briefings) to form my opinion on the matter. COG includes bio issues and rocks from space briefings but mankind is nearly always the major factor and logic doesn't always have the upper hand. But that is just me.
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Grid down would likely be the first move in a patriot/globalist conflict. Its extremely vulnerable and an easy target.
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Old August 29, 2019, 14:04   #1055
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Well, I'm just the messenger here. I have sat in enough meetings ( actual tests, economic/political briefings) to form my opinion on the matter. COG includes bio issues and rocks from space briefings but mankind is nearly always the major factor and logic doesn't always have the upper hand. But that is just me.
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Old August 29, 2019, 20:12   #1056
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What country has the EMP strike capability? Not many

What country would survive a retaliatory strike by the US? None

With an EMP or any other type of strike, initial success has to happen. If incoming missiles gets shot down, there'll still be a retaliatory strike.

A foreign country has to be successful with the strike and be able to survive a US counterstrike.
You guys are worrying about nothing.
We have been retaliating against the Taliban and ISIS for almost 20 years and the goat farmers are still a major player causing us to spend trillions of dollars and losing many lives. Rocket Boy is not going to launch an EMP device over USA because he knows we will turn his country to glass.

That said if a few gus could take a few months flying lessons and pull of 9/11 what could several dozen men do with cave man tactics used against the electrical and communications grid. One man could drop most of the internet to most major cities. It's been done before and soon as incident was mitigated almost every reference to three southern California counties losing land lines, cellular and internet service werepresentative snuffed to discourage others for looking for a single link or three that takes NYC or similar communications out for days.

One little 120v to 12v wall wart took down Baltimore's digital trunk system for police, fire and their computer linked traffic signals for over a day till a tech found the issue. I was called to a city not supposed to name who had sent officers to every truck stop in 100 mile radius and had rigged CB radios in all their police cars, fire trucks, ambulances and DOT trucks due to a leaking basement as a tropical storm dropped a ton of rain on them. Took a dozen men and got them functional using free banded ham gear in under 24 hours. HRO amd other vendors liked those purchase orders with overnight shipping. U.S. Border Patrol lost all comms along 1,000 miles of Canadian border when a steam vent ruptured and damaged their main underground trunk line.

Give me two dozen willing men and could create situations on blue sky days using nothing but hardware store tools to plunge cities into chaos or worse. One city would be easy to virtually destroy with three or four two/three man teams. In the name of making their city safer they just increased the death toll and damage done with a few "water leaks". Fear the idelogically committed small groups with imagination.
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To understand the EMP threat, you must look at where it may come from. We are at a crossroads at this moment and we are at war. We are fighting against two groups which do not accept our western idea of life. We all know what Islam is about but China is another deal. They can accept only one outcome, win at any cost.
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Schroeder is a physicist and biblical scholar who teaches at the College of Jewish Studies in Jerusalem. He's one of several scientists trying to reconcile the ancient writings of the Bible with science, starting with the big one: Did God create the universe in six days, resting on the seventh? Or was it born in a fiery "big bang" billions of years ago?

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," reads the story of creation described in Genesis, the first book of the Bible. Schroeder, who earned two Ph.D.s from MIT, says those opening chapters are descriptions of the big bang itself. They are, as he says, "identical realities."

His thesis hinges on the fact that time is not a constant: It's relative, at least according to*Albert Einstein. Schroeder insists that the biblical calendar begins with the appearance of Adam on the sixth day, not with the creation of the world. "Relativity," he says, "has proven the flexibility of time during those six pre-Adam days of Genesis."

Schroeder is the author of several books, including the just released "God According to God: A Physicist Proves We've Been Wrong About God All Along." But it's his 20-year-old "Genesis and the Big Bang" -- which seeks to reconcile the Bible with physics, cosmology and evolution -- that's still shaking the scientific and religious communities.

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3*First of all, I want you to know that in the last days men will laugh at the truth. They will follow their own sinful desires.*4*They will say, “He promised to come again. Where is He? Since our early fathers died, everything is the same from the beginning of the world.”*5*But they want to forget that God spoke and the heavens were made long ago. The earth was made out of water and water was all around it.*6*Long ago the earth was covered with water and it was destroyed.*7*But the heaven we see now and the earth we live on now have been kept by His word. They will be kept until they are to be destroyed by fire. They will be kept until the day men stand before God and sinners will be destroyed.

8*Dear friends, remember this one thing, with the Lord one day is as 1,000 years, and 1,000 years are as one day.*9*The Lord is not slow about keeping His promise as some people think. He is waiting for you. The Lord does not want any person to be punished forever. He wants all people to be sorry for their sins and turn from them.*10*The day of the Lord will come as a robber comes. The heavens will pass away with a loud noise. The sun and moon and stars will burn up. The earth and all that is in it will be burned up.

11*Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, you should think about the kind of life you are living. It should be holy and God-like.*12*You should look for the day of God to come. You should do what you can to make it come soon. At that time the heavens will be destroyed by fire. And the sun and moon and stars will melt away with much heat.*13*We are looking for what God has promised, which are new heavens and a new earth. Only what is right and good will be there.
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While most people think of the big bang as an explosion in space, scientists use the term to describe the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. The Bible describes a few key characteristics of the universe that scientists now have the ability to measure. At least five biblical writers describe an expanding universe (e.g. Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Scripture also talks about the constancy of the laws of physics, most explicitly stated in Jeremiah 33:25. Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 11:3 declare that the universe*began*to exist (thus required a Beginner). Romans 8:18-21 speaks of a pervasive law of decay. These four characteristics—a singular beginning, cosmic expansion, and constant laws of physics including the law of decay—define a big bang universe. The Bible leaves many details such as the expansion rate and the strengths of the laws for us to measure. This correspondence between the biblical description of the universe, authored thousands of years ago, and the best scientific understanding of the universe provides strong evidence for supernatural inspiration of the words of the Bible.
As quantum physics and study of the universe says the universe was formed in a series of events called the "big bang" during which an phenomenon known as "hyper-imflation" where the universe was actually expanding at speeds well in excess of the speed of light and there is a finite end of the universe in which it will likely start over again it seems more and more physics, astronomy and math advances along with archeology proving much of the words of giants walking the earth and angels taking human brides pretty flood bottom line is we all will die, go for judgement then in the recreated perfect universe all good things known to man will be available to us and we will live in peace praising the Lord.

All is good to me but between now and then I am going with the "let he who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one" in bulk so can hand out swords to friends who may have lost theirs or not been well enough prepared. Read about the last days in Revelation and whether believe in pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation or post-tribulation odds are we are going to have a pile of cap to survive during the process. I am preparing for a mega pile of cap and have a huge stock of Bibles as well as firearms. Actually am a member of a group that distributes 80 million Bibles per year and ensures most hotel rooms and hospital rooms have one as well. Playing on the winning side...
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So it was you!
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Damn,,,,I got the wood pile,,,if you got some rope and fuel oil!!!!!
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You Mormons are giving us a run for the money these days putting the book of Mormon in motel rooms. Some hotels now have "no Bible rooms" like no smoking rooms. Hilton Inn decided to not participate with the Gideon hotel Bible ministry a few years back and informed us would not be allowing them anymore. Number one rule of a Gideon is never talk to a member of the press. If we are distributing Bibles and newspaper, television, internet blogger or any press member asks us a question we refer them to our national headquarters in Tennessee as we pack up and leave.

With 250,000 members if 25 were interviewed each has his own beliefs and reasons for joining the ministry and not all are current on facts so we just shut up and shuffle along rather than have some elderly member in early onset Alzheimers babble misinformation that is primted or broadcast then propogated and hurts the ministry. From day we join till last meeting attend before we die we are constantly reminded if harassed leave, asked questions leave, asked to leave then leave.

In most of Georgia we still give them out in public schools but we set up in library and an announcement is made if want a Bible then go to library and we hand them out but do not openly witness to the kids. Amazing like the Boy Scouts now, about 1/3 of the kids say never owned a Bible and don't know of one in their home when thank us for it. Not hurting anyone as its a good read and great historical document.

In Boy Scouts now when do our semi annual marksmanship training over 50% of the kids first contact with a firearm was in the Boy Scouts. Many take to it like a duck to water, some are plain terrified and have to break them in groups. As I work with several troops learn the kids who know guns and safety well and put them in charge of sub groups of kids that have been through at least one marksmanship cycle and just make sure they are not exhibiting any bad habits while spend 75% of my time with the kids that are scared or just having lots of issues with technique.

As a troop moves kids through usually end up with several that are shooting rimfire competition and some skeet that make good assistant instructors while usually have one or two kids that spend more time with than all others to get them confident they are not going to die and able to shoot without flinching with a turn bolt 22lr. Next session they do better and if they stick with the program sometimes the worst kids at the start become my best assistant instructors.

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Like many people I became dependent on my cell phone as a substitute for a watch. About a decade ago was climbing with two SEAL's that had met when they were students at Georgia Tech. Lots of Tech grads seem to go into the teams but while at Tech join the Outdoor Recreation Group that does everything from kyaking to rock climbing and even taken some of the more motivated ice climbing in western NC. Then as graduate and join the Teams seem to keep up with at least 1/2 to some degree. Both were wearing watches and I went and pulled cell phone from top of pack to check time and they gave me an earful. Since then have made sure all my regular used packs have a real watch and all my overt armor has one in case need to pull it on.

Right now have noticed and asked to discover at present they use the Luminox Evo Navy Seal Blackout and the Casio Men's G-Force Military Concept Black Digital Watch. The Casio can be bought on street for $59 bucks and when they are training have a lot of good timing features, especially if having to time two or three trainees while they poke them in the eyes with sharp sticks and drop rocks on them. Tell me the Casio is what more Delta Force guys they meet or operate in field with wear but on a mission the electronic Casio can develop a leak around one of the many buttons surrounding the dial on all corners.

When is mission time they claim the Luminox Evo Navy Seal Blackout is most used unless diving deep and use a stainless steel case watch. What they like about the plastic and carbon Blackout is simple, water resistant to 200 meters, tough as nails plus does not set off metal detectors at airports or create any electronic field if having to defuse or fuse something that might not like elactronics or accidentally making an electrical connection between two parts with watches case. The Luminox Blackout is $270 street and Midway just had their second sale on them at $183. Been using my personal account, wife's account and company account to bulk up my supply so all of my overt vests and gear hauling rigs have one strapped to it or in a pouch so when pull it on in a hurry when have a spare moment can slip the watch on.

One thing they all tell me is if use the Luminox as an EDC rough duty watch to send in for cleaning and service every two to four years or when/if a tritium marker comes loose. While they say everyone has a watch preference on a mission 1/3 of the watches will be Luminox Blackouts if going by water or expect water and 1/3 will be Casios in dry climates. They say run the Casio till it quits, leaks or breaks then buy another for $60. Now when I do my monthly charging of radios in our overt vests or gear carry rigs I synchronize all the watches. Have tried the Casio and don't like feeling for a bunch of small buttons with fat fingers, especially if wearing gloves.

The Suunto Cores are becoming popular because of the built in altimeter and compass. They do say have to recalibrate the compass and altimeter often but that is common with all electronic mountain devices. I still like my Thommen precision mechanical analogue Swiss made altimeters for up to 16,000 feet as better able to predict weather patterns or just more used to them after using over 30 years. I also have a mecanical Swiss made Opti-Treck 6000 Altimeter with barometer. When SHTF post EMP expect my Swiss mechanical devices to keep working.

Have been using altimeter/compass/watch multifeature wrist devices since first released. Have mostly owned Garmin and Suunto as kept up with advances in features and resolution. My latest is a Garmin Tactix Bravo which is a full on tactical watch with altimeter, compass and GPS built in to the trimmest size ever had for number of features plus tough construction, non refective finish, night vision mode and more for $550 retail but luckily the Garmin rep is an old climbing partner. He also hooked me up with the more popular Garmin Fenix 5 which is huge with a sapphire face and tons of training features like heart rate monitor, route tracking and more. Most go with the Fenix but I prefer my Tactix Bravo for my current needs.





How these will stand up to an EMP there is a lot of data out there that say smaller body worn devices will be more likely to survive an EMP. Have a plethora of older models that are big and clunky and best worn on lanyard around neck or on front strap of pack or front of your molly upside down so flip up and view as need. Can't wait for the next big upgrade to the Garmin Tactix Bravo as will get one from the rep and shop clearance sales on what will be the old model which I think rocks. If buy any device and have option for a sapphire screen of glass buy it.

Wife and I have both been running the Kyocera Duraphone Pros for about two years with no Otter Box or other protective carrier and even with me dropping mine on concrete, in gravel, off ladders and getting paint all over and having to bathe with mineral spirits both have yet to show a single scratch or crack and are still waterproof nor have ever "bricked" up. Just bought two more "refurbished" Duraphones for $39 with lay on contact chargers off flea bay with bad power ports but purchased new power/data ports for $12 along with new batteries and gasket sets for $14.99 which are now "like new" and fully functional for under $100 each and is the only smart phone that has survived over 18 months with me and the rest were in Pelican or Otter cases.

Duraphones were at one time only cell with milspec rating and my buddies in the teams, 75th Rangers and other such groups said at one time were either issued Duraphones for a mission or knew others who had used in field and said were indestructible though heavy as lead. Kyocera Duraphones will be in all our kits as long as compatable with phone system. Bet they will survive an EMP after opening two as lined with some sort of foil and sealed with gaskets and RTV.
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You Mormons are giving us a run for the money these days putting the book of Mormon in motel rooms.


Nice watch!!!!

As for "You Mormon's"

Ya missed ya target by this----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------much!



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Some of us,,,have Rabbi's.

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Figured I would wind your watch. While Southern Baptist Association aka North American Mission Board (3rd largest disastor relief organization in the world) and LDS always work together well in disaster zones some other evengelical Christian organizations didn't and sometimes caught flack for how much work I did with LDS. Took their Boy Scouts out just like lcoal Baptist, Methodist, C.O.G. and others. Installed emergency radio stations in three temples, did ham cams and helped over 200 Mormon's get ham radio licenses including their general tickets and ran an emergency preparedness booth at the biggest temple in our ares grand opening "open house".

Even ran comms when they/y'all found the original WWII candy bomber who dropped candy to starving German kids following VE Day and did recreation with a German immigrant who as a kid stood under the decent path of the American bombers bringing in food and spooks to catch candy then did several flyovers throwing out candy. Know how much work it is to make a small parachute for several thousand candy bars?

Keep an eye out for the Midway sales on this Luminox Evo Navy Seal Blackout for $183 with free shipping. Been told it's a 20+ year watch with occasional cleaning and service. Now have five or six and still plan to add more as post EMP a group is going to need to coordinate time if have to fight for survival especially if working from sandtable plans and have minimal to no comms.



When under $200 it's the best post EMP watch for the money IMO and is so comfortable almost forget your wearing it.
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I'm "old school" Huey,,,got me a yellow face Seiko self winder chrono back in 1969.

EMP proof,,,before folks were concerned with EMP.

Still keeps perfect time,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,of course today,,,,I need my reading glasses to see the time.
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1969 was the very first year a self windimg watch was released and with several Swiss and one Japamese company in the race Seiko won by a matter of about a month into the marketplace with their Seiko 5 Sports Timer which came about as a result of being official time keeper of the Olympics held in Japan during 1964 and having to release a true chronograph for race officials. Kicked them into high gear and from the automatic in 1969 to the Quartz in same year they carved a huge niche of the watch market.

Have a friend with what at the time was Seikos most desired self winder which was a college graduation gift in 1986. He wore it almost daily (had a white collar job that does not eat watches, knives or guns used as EDC for long periods of time by blue collar guys) and sent in as instructions said for cleaning and service which 22 years later was returned from an authorized Seiko service center saying it was worn beyond its ability to keep time to their standards so they cleaned it one last time and told him it was time for a new watch. Another friend with a Seiko self winder rented an electric jack hammer to demolish a cracked sidewalk at his house and after the end of day one with the jack hammer realized it was not working, sent in for repairs and told Seiko rep what he did and they said it could not be fixed and wearing it while running a jack hammer was not covered by warranty.

I can't wear a watch at work or it dies quickly. Biggest issues are chemicals we use for cleaning printing inks and had a friend kill a new nice watch of some brand wife gave as a gift as plucking a part out of the bottom of a five gallon bucket of parts cleaner when fell out of the parts basket just as he lifted clear of the solution. I keep a watch in my truck console and one on my rifle rated plate carrier that keep in truck. If need watch can pull from console or if grab plate carrier a watch is coming along for the ride.

Most good mechanical watches are accurate to +-5 seconds per day and why the Casio G Shock electronic watch is popular with special operations troops because not only is it cheap, its accurate basically for months or years. If running a mission timed to the second mechanicals have to be calibrated daily if not at least weekly. I calibrate my mechanicals once a month when charge the batteries on my radios and found my Luminox watches often are still less than five seconds off the atomic clock so leave them alone to reduce wear trying to nail them down to the second.

A lot of the quartz self winders which motion charges a capacitor will require a capacitor change on occasion. Also many confuse them with a true kinetic automatic like yours and don't realize the capacitor may not like an EMP. Best thing is just have a few spare Timex win up watches in one of your Faraday boxes. Expect my manuals to survive but if all my altimeter/compass/GPS watches fry will miss them but have enough manual altimeters to go with watches will survive. An altimeter and a watch add a huge amount of capabilites to people living in a cave man technological era.
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1969 was the very first year a self windimg watch was released and with several Swiss and one Japamese company in the race Seiko won by a matter of about a month into the marketplace with their Seiko 5 Sports Timer which came about as a result of being official time keeper of the Olympics held in Japan during 1964 and having to release a true chronograph for race officials. Kicked them into high gear and from the automatic in 1969 to the Quartz in same year they carved a huge niche of the watch market.

Have a friend with what at the time was Seikos most desired self winder which was a college graduation gift in 1986. He wore it almost daily (had a white collar job that does not eat watches, knives or guns used as EDC for long periods of time by blue collar guys) and sent in as instructions said for cleaning and service which 22 years later was returned from an authorized Seiko service center saying it was worn beyond its ability to keep time to their standards so they cleaned it one last time and told him it was time for a new watch. Another friend with a Seiko self winder rented an electric jack hammer to demolish a cracked sidewalk at his house and after the end of day one with the jack hammer realized it was not working, sent in for repairs and told Seiko rep what he did and they said it could not be fixed and wearing it while running a jack hammer was not covered by warranty.

I can't wear a watch at work or it dies quickly. Biggest issues are chemicals we use for cleaning printing inks and had a friend kill a new nice watch of some brand wife gave as a gift as plucking a part out of the bottom of a five gallon bucket of parts cleaner when fell out of the parts basket just as he lifted clear of the solution. I keep a watch in my truck console and one on my rifle rated plate carrier that keep in truck. If need watch can pull from console or if grab plate carrier a watch is coming along for the ride.

Most good mechanical watches are accurate to +-5 seconds per day and why the Casio G Shock electronic watch is popular with special operations troops because not only is it cheap, its accurate basically for months or years. If running a mission timed to the second mechanicals have to be calibrated daily if not at least weekly. I calibrate my mechanicals once a month when charge the batteries on my radios and found my Luminox watches often are still less than five seconds off the atomic clock so leave them alone to reduce wear trying to nail them down to the second.

A lot of the quartz self winders which motion charges a capacitor will require a capacitor change on occasion. Also many confuse them with a true kinetic automatic like yours and don't realize the capacitor may not like an EMP. Best thing is just have a few spare Timex win up watches in one of your Faraday boxes. Expect my manuals to survive but if all my altimeter/compass/GPS watches fry will miss them but have enough manual altimeters to go with watches will survive. An altimeter and a watch add a huge amount of capabilities to people living in a cave man technological era.


I about destroyed the face,,,,was working for a living back then,,,and my wife sent it back to the factory around mid 80's and they went through the thing and made it new.

Then in 1990/91,,,,it went back to "work" for a while.

My life's history could be told by that watch,,,been with me through the good and bad.

Since I retired,,,don;t wear a watch daily any more,,,but it sits on the counter,,,a good shake,,set the time,,,ready for whatever comes my way.
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When I graduated HS in 1970 my grandparents gave me a a Swiss Walthum watch. I was with me thick and thin for almost two decades and two crystals. In 1988 it took a hit from a high power UV laser which bleached the blue face ( Yes, I never wore a watch in the lab again. I got lucky.) It still works and sits in my desk. I have my grandfathers and fathers railroad watches and I will get the Walthum repaired so all will go to my son.
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Got this in today. Sandia report on EMP. Seems Sandia agrees with DOD on EMP and at odds with the other DOE labs and EPRI.
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When I graduated HS in 1970 my grandparents gave me a a Swiss Walthum watch. I was with me thick and thin for almost two decades and two crystals. In 1988 it took a hit from a high power UV laser which bleached the blue face ( Yes, I never wore a watch in the lab again. I got lucky.) It still works and sits in my desk. I have my grandfathers and fathers railroad watches and I will get the Walthum repaired so all will go to my son.
I lost my original watch band,,,,when I lost the end of my right little finger and the pistol grip on my M16.

However,,,,Tha watch and finger,,,well,,,most of it,,, still work.
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DOE agreeing that EMP is anything more than an excuse to get study money is absolutely remarkable!
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I lost my original watch band,,,,when I lost the end of my right little finger and the pistol grip on my M16.

However,,,,Tha watch and finger,,,well,,,most of it,,, still work.
I'm sensing an interesting camp fire story.
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I was going to say that about DOE but thought I'd be polite. DOE is one of those federal programs that needs to go away. As a former director of LLL told me, it's white man welfare. Remember, DOE was formed to solve the energy crisis in the late 70s. Bring the AEC back and send the rest packing. When you look at IP lawsuits DOE is #2 (NASA #1).
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Why not just truck a small nuke into a large city. Sure, you'll have a ground burst that'll limit its effectiveness a great deal but so what? The political reaction is what an enemy would want.

It would be incredibly difficult to find out who did it. Iran or North Korea would be blamed but there would be a long investigation that could take years. Retaliation would be almost undoable by that time.

Such an event would destroy the US economically and turn the government completely totalitarian.
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ID would be fairly straight forward using isotopic anaylsis. The submarine off Hawaii tells an interesting tale of using isotopes to throw off who built what but that requires some major technology games that NK or Iran doesn't have. An EMP burst would be difficult to tell who. A lunach from say the Gulf of Mexico or the Pacific off Mexico would basicly come in undetected.
If you look at WMDs that can disrupt the US it is the usual NBC. Nuclear is obvious but costs a lot and involves only certain players, Bio is cheaper and can be used different ways to impact the economy and Chem is cheapest and the new agents are extremely effective area denial weapons ( Wall Street, Commodity exchange, etc.).
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Naw,,,,just goes to prove,,,keep ya hands away from flying high speed shiny little objects.


Good friend of mine got shot four times in his career,,,,each time,,dead off in his ass!

"Things""" can always be worst!!!!
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Naw,,,,just goes to prove,,,keep ya hands away from flying high speed shiny little objects.


Good friend of mine got shot four times in his career,,,,each time,,dead off in his ass!

"Things""" can always be worst!!!!
It seems dot mil has been good to you.
Even so, a hearty "thanks for your service" to you and the other vets and active duty guys here.

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It seems dot mil has been good to you.
Even so, a hearty "thanks for your service" to you and the other vets and active duty guys here.

It was the best "deal" I ever made.

They gave me an education,,HSD, BA, MA, MEd, and PHd
I gave them 24 yrs.

They allowed me to live outside this country for 17 yrs,,,learning about different peoples and seeing things and places most people only dream of.

The education,,,allowed me to make a very good living once I left the service,,which allowed me to take good care of my family.

And,,,all of that military "stuff",,,allowed me to retire fully on my 62nd birthday which most people can't do.

For me,,,and sure not for everyone,,,the military was the second best thing to ever happen to me,,,mama for 48 yrs,,,so far,,, being the best thing.
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Saw this today.
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Israeli view of a nuclear Iran. Interesting he mentions missing nukes.
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That little country is about as well prepared as any on earth.

Those missing ones,,,,Russian????
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Appears so. From the taskforce:
Analysis on this topic from Dr. Pry: My guess is that most of the 51 missing nuclear weapons is a reference to the missing “suitcase nukes” about which Russian General Aleksandr Lebed warned Congress and the world in testimony before the House Armed Services Committee. Lebed was labeled a traitor by many in Russia for his disclosure, and died in an “accidental” helicopter crash in Siberia. Reza Kahlili also reported on Iran having tactical nuclear weapons from Russia, including at least one neutron artillery shell, that could be used for an enhanced-EMP attack. Iran no longer needs anyone’s missing nukes, as they can build their own, and probably already have.
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Appears so. From the taskforce:
Analysis on this topic from Dr. Pry: My guess is that most of the 51 missing nuclear weapons is a reference to the missing “suitcase nukes” about which Russian General Aleksandr Lebed warned Congress and the world in testimony before the House Armed Services Committee. Lebed was labeled a traitor by many in Russia for his disclosure, and died in an “accidental” helicopter crash in Siberia. Reza Kahlili also reported on Iran having tactical nuclear weapons from Russia, including at least one neutron artillery shell, that could be used for an enhanced-EMP attack. Iran no longer needs anyone’s missing nukes, as they can build their own, and probably already have.
I'd suspect,,,,those old Russian ones have degraded by now,,,,,by all accounts,,these things are sensitive,,,the arming/triggering,wiring, etc goes bad pretty quickly.
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Yep, the only thing good about them is the fuel and probably more importantly is the actual engineering of a small device.
This series is a good tutorial on building devices.
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I'd suspect,,,,those old Russian ones have degraded by now,,,,,by all accounts,,these things are sensitive,,,the arming/triggering,wiring, etc goes bad pretty quickly.
That can be updated.
Just don't get a Windows or Android based one.
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Just don't get a Windows or Android based one.
The 40 yr old suitcase ones????

Could even Russia update that old stuff now???
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The 40 yr old suitcase ones????

Could even Russia update that old stuff now???
If you believe some American intelligence agencies and a few of the less looney conspiracy theorists Russian Suitcase Nukes are already on our soil smuggled in long ago. Will they still go bang if the button is pushed, maybe not but the material inside would make a good traditional explosives dispersed dirty bomb. Make the financial district of NYC unihanibital for a thousand years or so (I believe we would have worst cleaned up and Wall Street back up at 90% inside a year) would be a wake up call but 9/11 proves most Americans have short memories that as long as college football, the World Series and Superbowl go on along with much beer drinking we will tolerate most anything.

If nothing else with all the minimal background checks, personal interviews combined with familial immigration policy (let one in then he sponsors his entire family) Muslim immigration under the Nobama administration believe there could be enough terror cells on U.S. soil to repeat 9/11 by a factor of twenty to fifty times. Just an opinion, like @$$holes, we all have one.

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Just two countries – Syria (12,486) and Somalia (9,012) – were the source of more than half of fiscal 2016’s Muslim refugees. The rest are from Iraq (7,853), Burma (Myanmar) (3,145), Afghanistan (2,664) and other countries (3,741).
20,000 Syrians and Somalis in a single year really makes me feel safe. During Nobama administration we had roughly 2.5 million immigrants we know of from majority middle eastern Muslim nations which was a 30% increase annually. Up about 46% annually over a million from sub-Sahara African nations then add in the number of Muslims from Southeastern Asian countries like Pakistan during the Nobama administration figures say were likely as many Muslims introduced into our country as all other countries combined with a sharp decline from Mexico actually as many who,crossed the Mexican border illegally and not well accounted for were from central and south America along with Africa.

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A*new analysis*from the Cato Institute — based on*data*from*the State Department — makes the facts clear. On refugee policy — the area where the president has the most discretion to enact his vision — his administration has almost completely shut out Muslims.

From 2016 to 2018, the government*cut admissions for Muslim refugees*— which Trump has*calleda “Trojan horse” designed to bring down America — by 91 percent. In 2016, the governmentaccepted*nearly 40,000 Muslim refugees around the world, compared with just 3,000 in 2018. And while refugee admissions overall have plummeted, the Muslim share dropped from 45 percent to 15 percent, meaning it’s fallen at an even faster rate. This reverses a prior trend: From 2009 to 2016, the Obama administration more than doubled Muslim refugee admissions.
Seems to me we should have a rational system in place that doesn't change with the whims of whomever is President. Right now I could use a few good motivated immigrants in my work force. While I was careful to hire legals completing I-9s, W-2's and such during the 1990's and through 2010 had all the affordable help I wanted that appreciated their jobs for usually about 10 to 13 years and suddenly they had the system worked out and basically turned into millenial type workers playing with their cell phones all day if I was not standing over them. My three best Amigos worked 11, 13 and 13 years respectively, purchased dump trucks which loaded all their personal possessions in along with a caravan of pickup trucks and moved back to Ol Mexico and began hauling dirt in paid for trucks making a fine living to this day working in growing areas of Mexico.
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“We assess…Iran probably already has nuclear weapons”
By Dr. Peter Vincent Pry (September 25, 2019)
Some in Washington want to bomb Iran for attacking Saudi Arabia’s oil fields. But what if Iran has nuclear missiles?
Intelligence failure can kill thousands, as Washington learned on December 7, 1941, and should have learned again on September 11, 2001. Intelligence failure in the nuclear missile age can destroy entire nations.

Washington officialdom believes Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons based on little more than wishful thinking and blind faith in an Intelligence Community deeply corrupted by the Obama Administration—and still unreformed by President Trump.

Three years ago, senior Reagan and Clinton administration officials warned that Iran probably already has nuclear weapons. See “Underestimating Nuclear Missile Threats from North Korea and Iran” National Review February 12, 2016:

“Iran is following North Korea’s example — as a strategic partner allied by treaty and pledged to share scientific and military technology. Iran sacrificed its overt civilian nuclear program to deceive the Obama administration, to lift international sanctions, to prevent Western military action, while a clandestine military nuclear program no doubt continues underground. That is why Iran, under the nuclear deal, will not allow inspection of its military facilities and prohibits interviewing scientists — it is concealing the dimensions and status of Iran’s nuclear-weapons program.”

“We assess, from U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency reports and other sources, that Iran probably already has nuclear weapons. Over 13 years ago, prior to 2003, Iran was manufacturing nuclear-weapon components, like bridge-wire detonators and neutron initiators, performing non-fissile explosive experiments of an implosion nuclear device, and working on the design of a nuclear warhead for the Shahab-III missile.”

“Thirteen years ago Iran was already a threshold nuclear-missile state. It is implausible that Iran suspended its program for over a decade for a nuclear deal with President Obama.”

The above assessment is by Ambassador R. James Woolsey, President Clinton’s Director of Central Intelligence; Dr. William Graham, President Reagan’s White House Science Advisor, leader of NASA, and recently Chairman of the Congressional EMP Commission; Fritz Ermarth, a national security advisor to President Reagan and Chairman of the National Intelligence Council; and Ambassador Henry Cooper, former Director of the Strategic Defense Initiative.
These stellar intelligence officers, strategic thinkers, and scientists played major roles helping win the Cold War. Perhaps we should listen to them now about Iran:

“Iran probably has nuclear warheads for the Shahab-III medium-range missile, which they tested for making EMP attacks…Iran already has the largest medium-range ballistic-missile force in the Middle East.”
“Iran could be building a nuclear-capable missile force, partly hidden in tunnels, as suggested by its dramatic revelation of a vast underground missile-basing system last year. Iran is building toward a large, deployable, survivable, war-fighting missile force — to which nuclear weapons can be swiftly added as they are manufactured.”

“And at a time of its choosing, Iran could launch a surprise EMP attack against the United States by satellite, as they have apparently practiced with help from North Korea.”

More recently, David Albright, former nuclear inspector for the UN International Atomic Energy Agency, and Ollie Heinonen, former Deputy Director General of IAEA, published an Institute for Science and International Security report based on Iran’s secret nuclear weapon archives clandestinely obtained by Israel’s Mossad:

“The archive shows that the AMAD program intended to build five nuclear warhead systems for missile delivery and possible use in preparation for an underground nuclear test; an actual test would require a decision to proceed. The program was also partially designed to have its own independent uranium mining, conversion, and enrichment resources. The documentation indicates that Iran’s nuclear weaponization efforts did not stop after 2003…”

“The United States incorrectly assessed with high confidence in a 2007 declassified National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) that ‘in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.’ Based on the information in the archives, Iran’s nuclear weapons program continued after 2003…Moreover, the 2007 NIE also incorrectly asserted that Iran had not re-started its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007…However, there is no evidence that the program was ever fully halted, even up to today.”

“The information in the archive evaluated so far does not answer the question of what the current status of Iran’s nuclear weapons program is…”

Assessments that Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons assume erroneously: our intelligence is perfect, Iran’s civilian nuclear program is all there is, no clandestine nuclear weapons program exists in Iran’s numerous underground military facilities—including unaccounted uranium and plutonium facilities for fueling nuclear weapons, as in North Korea.

Where Iran is concerned, our Intelligence Community appears to have learned nothing from its spectacular failures grossly underestimating the nuclear threat from North Korea. Does the Intelligence Community even want to know the truth about Iran’s Islamic bomb?
Reza Kahlili, the only CIA operative to successfully penetrate the scientific wing of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, claimed Iran does have nuclear weapons and offered to procure photographs. Obama’s Intelligence Community was not interested, and is still not interested.

President Trump has inherited an Intelligence Community that disagrees with him about almost everything, including his decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal. According to the Intelligence Community, Iran is in technical compliance with the nuclear deal, officially the Joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action (JCPOA).

But if Iran already has nuclear weapons, Iran was never in compliance with JCPOA, and the Intelligence Community can chalk-up another major intelligence failure, potentially far more consequential than Pearl Harbor or 9/11.

If Iran has the bomb, why have they not yet attacked “the Great Satan” that is the United States?

Radical Islamist cleric Nasir al-Fahd’s May 2003 fatwa “A Treatise On The Legal Status Of Using Weapons Of Mass Destruction Against Infidels” may provide a clue. Although al-Fahd is a Sunni sympathetic to al Qaeda, his rules for a nuclear holocaust against Infidels may well govern the thinking of the Shiite mullahs who run Iran too:

–First, under Islam’s “Just War Doctrine” the Infidels have to be given an opportunity to convert to Islam, before they can be destroyed. This Iran’s leaders have done repeatedly, most prominently former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia University (September 24, 2007) and at least twice at the United Nations (September 23, 2009 and September 26, 2012) about “the current world order based on injustice” and the virtues of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

–Next, a “final solution” against Infidels cannot be implemented except in a defensive war to protect the Ummah, the community or territory of Islam. So a U.S. bombing campaign, especially one that threatens regime change in Iran, would justify nuclear annihilation of “the Great Satan”.

Is it possible Iran is deliberately trying to provoke the U.S. to attack, so the Mullahs can in “self-defense” come out of the nuclear closet by blasting a U.S. aircraft carrier, or making an EMP attack on North America?

By the way, “political correctness” under the Obama and Bush administrations, unfortunately continuing today, forbids the Intelligence Community from analyzing the ideology of radical Islam (the so-called “religion of peace”) for purposes of strategic warning or waging the Global War on Terrorism. Consequently, the best and brightest counterterrorism and Islamist experts were purged from the Intelligence Community.

We should be treating Iran like a nuclear weapons state, with the same prudent caution used toward North Korea. Let’s not learn the hard way that Iran already has its Islamic Bomb.

Appended to this article is a more comprehensive assessment of evidence Iran already has nuclear weapons that I wrote in 2016, drawing upon my training as a CIA Intelligence Officer and professional lifetime as a national security scholar. Whether from bias or wishful thinking, compelling evidence Iran already has nuclear weapons, and warnings by prominent intelligence and national security experts from the U.S. and Israel, is largely ignored, as if this legitimate opinion is under a news blackout.
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Out of Israel yesterday.
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I just don't see Iraq using their nukes against Israel.

They know they would cease to exist as a nation state if they did,,,or,,,maybe they are that stupid???

Israel is well prepared to defend its self,,and its population,,,shelters in homes,,community shelters,,,etc.

We do live in interesting times,,so anything is possible.
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I think the issue in Iran and to some degree China is once the leadership feels a squeeze, then they need to draw the people's attention away from politics and the answer is usually war. Argentina took that position. WWI was BS between Austria and Serbia. When human leaders get involved the "Unintended Consequences" effect takes over. It is that effect that worries me in most political enviroments.
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I think the issue in Iran and to some degree China is once the leadership feels a squeeze, then they need to draw the people's attention away from politics and the answer is usually war. Argentina took that position. WWI was BS between Austria and Serbia. When human leaders get involved the "Unintended Consequences" effect takes over. It is that effect that worries me in most political environments.
Agree,,,and how Trump,,has stayed away from this ages old resort of past political figures amazes me on a daily basis.

Both Bushes,,,Clinton,,,Obama,,etc,,,,all had their shooting wars,,,to distract from problems at home,,,or to jack up the economy,,etc.

Political unrest is raging inside Iran right now,,,not widely reported,,,so,,,them mullah folks starting a shooting war,,they can't win or even survive,,is a good possibility looked at that way.

Since the tanker and oil field attacks,,,surprised its been this quiet come to think about it.

I wonder why??????????????????????
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And what are these folks going to do after the EMP event. In the previous work the number was 15% of that age bracket would melt down within 30 days. These numbers indicate that may be wrong. Anxiety and mental health. Hell everyday, when the phone rings and I see the number my pulse rate goes up. I guess the depression era adults must have been all nuts.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/08/mill...es-survey.html
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And what are these folks going to do after the EMP event. In the previous work the number was 15% of that age bracket would melt down within 30 days. These numbers indicate that may be wrong. Anxiety and mental health. Hell everyday, when the phone rings and I see the number my pulse rate goes up. I guess the depression era adults must have been all nuts.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/08/mill...es-survey.html


Go feral and become very dangerous,,,for a while,,as they ban together,,trying to figure out how to eat and drink.

Then die off one by one pretty quickly,,because being worthless today,,,they become a boat anchor around the necks of surviving people.

There are good solid reasons,,why a LOT of old family photos,,show very young women with much older men.

Older men,,know how to provide for and survive,,young ones,,not so much.

Why do older people survive being shipwreck,,cast about in a lifeboat,,where as young people give up and die???????

Older people are a set of encyclopedias,,,young people are comic books?????
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Good point. I read a study of WWII sinkings in the North Atlantic and 50 year olds survival rates were much higher than 20 year olds. In the book the Forgotten Soldier, when dropped off on the eastern front and told to find a squad, our hero noted the older guys and thought, they have been here a while and probably know something and was the only one off the truck to join up with the "old men". On the Oregon trail, they weren't many 20 year olds. It cost money to get a wagon, supplies etc. Most were in their late 40s, 50s and 60s. One fellow I read about joined his son and began the trip at 71. ( He did die, drowning in the Columbia river saving his grandson). Old age and gile.
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Good point. I read a study of WWII sinkings in the North Atlantic and 50 year olds survival rates were much higher than 20 year olds. In the book the Forgotten Soldier, when dropped off on the eastern front and told to find a squad, our hero noted the older guys and thought, they have been here a while and probably know something and was the only one off the truck to join up with the "old men". On the Oregon trail, they weren't many 20 year olds. It cost money to get a wagon, supplies etc. Most were in their late 40s, 50s and 60s. One fellow I read about joined his son and began the trip at 71. ( He did die, drowning in the Columbia river saving his grandson). Old age and gile.
Its all true.
The best advice I ever got as a fresh young soldier,,,,latch onto the belt loops of that OLD Sgt over there,,and hang on for dear life,,,until you learn to survive this shit.
Old people,,truly know how to survive,,,have proved it,,reason they are now old!!!!
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California is getting a "dry run" for an EMP event.

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California is getting a "dry run" for an EMP event.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/b...questions.html
They say they're doing this to reduce PG ex-poser to law suits from causing wildfires,,,how many fires will be started from thousands of people using candles,,,firing up Jenny's etc?????

And not widely reported,,,,this cutting power was approved by,,,,,,dimwits in the state house.

Put'em all in the dark......

They voted for these clowns.
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