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Old January 06, 2019, 01:56   #1
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C93 PTR Century

Buds deal from July. Received in OCT, promptly took to range. No go. WW white box 55 grain. M193, M855, nothing worked. Mostly fail to eject. 100 rds made no difference. POI way left at 25m, ran out of sight. Magazine only held 7 rds, box mashed. Grouped nicely though.
Contacted Century, they said contact PTR.
PTR said will send RMA and fedex shipping. Nothing came after variety of contact attempts. Finally I paid for and mailed rifle myself.

PTR contacted me and sent a replacement rifle to my FFL.
Received 24 Dec! Out to range Christmas Day.Sughts dead nuts on. Function acceptable m193 and M855. Cold 8f. Groups nicely. Three more range trips, good cleanings. Works good. 100yard groups great. Offhand hits in stell silhouette at 200yds, 10 for 10. Off hands at giant gong 300yds.
Painful start, Rifle recommended. Ordered a HK Parts scope mount.
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Old January 06, 2019, 10:01   #2
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Glad to hear they made it right after all that mess. Mine shipped in November and have yet to take it to the range. I'm hoping to get out there soon after everything dries up. We've had rain pretty much everyday since Christmas. All I've done was break it down for inspection/wipe down and was pleased to see that the numbers all match on mine. Still have to check to see if my HK 30rd mags will fit. Haven't bought any of the polymer mags. On the fence if I'm going to buy them or not.
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Old January 06, 2019, 15:42   #3
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I got one. The action is a bit stiff. Bolt gap .022 after firing a couple of mags flawlessly. Well finished. Pro mags fit but donít lock, the work after a little grinding.
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Old January 06, 2019, 16:41   #4
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Mine runs great, good BG, 19/20, good groups, weight of rifle a little on heavy side.
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Old January 06, 2019, 22:41   #5
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Nice, fellas. I missed the boat on these, unfortunately. I keep checking the website and I'm supposed to be on the list but so far, nada.
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Old January 07, 2019, 01:25   #6
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Nice, fellas. I missed the boat on these, unfortunately. I keep checking the website and I'm supposed to be on the list but so far, nada.
I got a spare one I'd sale, along with a few original mags, bolt gap around 20, fine shooter, nice new looking example out of the original batches brought in many, many moons ago.

I'm down sizing.

PM if interested, we can chat about it.
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Old January 07, 2019, 10:59   #7
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C93

Forgot to mention sore left forearm next day from racking action...
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Old January 07, 2019, 20:49   #8
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Forgot to mention sore left forearm next day from racking action...
Weenie.
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Old January 09, 2019, 02:46   #9
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Forgot to mention sore left forearm next day from racking action...
Try a .22 bolt action next time.
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Old January 09, 2019, 18:56   #10
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Right...not elegant, just works.
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Old January 13, 2019, 02:27   #11
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I got one from Bud's also but have yet to get it to the range. Hopefully this next week. Weather is cool but not cold. Hit and miss with moisture/humidity.

I've got Pro Mags. Here's hoping they work.
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Old February 08, 2019, 01:39   #12
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Thumbs up C93 Range report PTR

Back to the range. Chilly 09 F. Snow. Sun appearing about 0830 now, so still under lights at range opening.

Bought HK33 mag, won't set, needs tweaking.

Having FTE on round one! with 55 Gr factory reloads, TMJ bullet. Work fine in AR.
My 69 reloads won't function. FTE.
M193 and M855 factory work fine.

Mounted a HK parts mount, very nice, and 1x weaver. finally got zeroed at 100 yards. Like it . More to come as I shoot more. Hit the Big Gong at 300 yds a bit with scope and irons standing up.

Thanks for the sympathy and suggestions on doing the gorilla slap to load the rifle. Bet you fellas have built arm massive strength from one handed keyboard operation whilst I am out on the range shooting.



Have photos; how does one post them here? Thanks.
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Old February 08, 2019, 07:42   #13
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Forgot to mention sore left forearm next day from racking action...
Not supposed to hurt, you sure you are not doing it wrong?
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Old February 09, 2019, 16:32   #14
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Built with Century scraps other than a PTR barrel. Check cocking tube gap as some of these guns shipped with a cocking tube support that had extra material welded on by Century monkeys. Check extractor tension as odds are the spring might need to be replaced.

PTR did a good job on the finish but could have taken a few minutes inspecting the parts before using them to build a rifle.
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Old February 09, 2019, 21:53   #15
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sad to hear this..i bought one a few years ago, one of the firs ones, of course it was a single shot at the range, every round fte. sent back to century, got a replacement rifle, that one was fantastic. Sold it to my best friend because he was an HK fanatic but broke,lol...i regret that, that was an awesome rifle.
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Old February 18, 2019, 23:28   #16
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Range Report

100% Function with M855 today. 21F, snowy.


Shot a 83/100 offhand on the SR!C target. Working good.
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Old February 20, 2019, 16:03   #17
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Shot 89 off hand 200 yds SR target M855. 9F. 100% function.
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Old February 20, 2019, 20:50   #18
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Itís good to hear PTR made it right.
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Old February 24, 2019, 10:09   #19
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I bought my C93 from Sarco about 7 years ago iirc and it has functioned well. First time out it was pulling the spent casings halfway out of the chamber. Used chamber brush to clean out old gun that was in there. ore bolt down and removed extractor + spring; lots of black gunk under it. Cleaned well and it has functioned flawlessly ever since.
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Old April 08, 2020, 22:00   #20
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Question UPDATES ???

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Shot 89 off hand 200 yds SR target M855. 9F. 100% function.
Looking for an update on this rifle. Have you fired it anymore up and to the point itĒs broke in now?

Any more information on what rounds did / did not work, which mags worked best?

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Old April 09, 2020, 18:27   #21
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I guess I am flogging my own for sale thread.

But, Changing out your cocking lever from the pos Century G3 lever to the correct HK93 lever will make a huge difference.

Did it on my C93k and it was a world of differance.



https://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452064
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Forgot to mention sore left forearm next day from racking action...
The above post will help with that.

Either that or up the arm curls from 12oz. to something more substantial. Like 1.75l handles.
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Old April 09, 2020, 19:23   #23
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Some time has gone by since this thread was current and since it's resurrection I've considered and then passed on replying here. I can't add much to the original topic and obviously cannot answer GRA556's query.

But then WTH. I'm bored, got nothing but time and I suppose I can repeat here what I've said elsewhere.
The following is a compiled list of posts concerning a little of my own C93 experience.


Add me to the list. PTR C93. Bought it second hand, seller said it was one of Bud's "pre-order" guns. Fired 200 rds, not a single hitch.
Every thing looks correct, works smoothly except the stock is very hard to remove. Will work on that.
Bolt and carrier serials match and the carrier has not been milled semi only. Buffered carrier, too.
Gap is .019, forearm is original HK, lower has been changed out to a nice SUO, and all mags lock in nicely, German mags lock in perfectly.
No welding on cocking handle support, very happy about this.

Going to be a bit of a pain to install a paddle. The shelf doesn't have the notch and from a cursory inspection appears to be solid. Going to take a while to mill out "the hard way".
I'm very happy with this one so far. I missed the original Bud's deal and by most accounts it looks like I was lucky as the better guns were the early ones.

This one now wears a wood G3 stock and will soon also wear a G3 hand guard once I get the hutzpuh up to do another one. The MP5 guard was enough.

That solid shelf has turned out to be a challenge. None of the previous three paddle installs I've done have I had to deal with such a monster of a shelf job. Normally, most clones have a simple U shaped shelf that fits around the outside of the receiver in the area of the push pin tube. Or like on SAR8 there's a slot with a tab of steel inside the receiver that needs to be dealt with. On the this C93 the entire area where the front push pin tube and paddle would be has been completely milled away and a substantial solid steel shelf (as indicated above by a member) has been welded to the receiver. I'm going to deal with this one in a way I've never had to do before. Will update.

Concerning paddle install.....

Darn thing. This was my first of this type, the fourth I've done all together. I think I should have cut the slot a little deeper as the paddle is solid when a mag is installed, might do that later. For now it works.

EDIT: For the posterity of those of us who are less than perfect. The depth of the slot wasn't the problem. Turns out I had the width of the slot made just a little too tight and the anti-rattle spring was getting caught on the edge of the slot when a mag was installed. Relieved the spring just a few thousandths and boom, works as slick as any. Doesn't seem to matter how many of these I've done, the next one has a surprise in store. I need to get over my excitement of doing the job, slow down, think it through, and more importantly, test fit everything before committing to welding.

I ended up cutting the shelf completely off the receiver, milling out the inside, then rewelding it back in place. There was just no way, with the tools I have, was I going to get that shelf opened up to accept the paddle. Guys who do these should up the price if it's a C93.





Concerning the welding on the cocking handle support.
Some of the later production PTR C93 rifles have been reported to have a bandaid applied in the form of either a weld bead run around the front end of the bolt carrier where it meets the cocking tube support, or a piece of metal actually welded onto the same area.
They did this to compensate for an incorrect cocking tube gap, the reasons for which I'm not going to get into. This is something to watch for on these and an easy check to do. Lock open the bolt, look up into the receiver at the end of the bolt carrier where it meets the cocking tube support. If it's ugly then it's been bubba'd. This is an indicator that other aspects of the rifle were probably also short cut and could be an indication of a very problematic rifle. Things like bolt gap, magazine fit, butt stock fit, and crooked sights have all been problems.

With the price going up rather rapidly on these to ridiculous levels it pays to know what to watch for otherwise what may seem like a good deal may end up being less so when one discovers a few hundred more will need to be spent on the rifle to get it right. These sold for $550 from Buds for PTR's version. CAI from years ago were around the $650-$700 range, new. Today these are commanding $850 and up and if there are issues another $500 might need to be added to fix it.

IMHO ALL of these are a gamble. Early CAI rifles were known to have shrinking bolt gaps, very difficult and expensive to fix. PTR's are widely known to have bolt gap and mag fit problems. There are good ones on both sides, sure, you just have to know what to look for when buying and what questions to ask.
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Old April 09, 2020, 23:21   #24
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Thanks Troy and others for all this information.

Obviously the best thing to do is to hope Zenith offers one and at a decent price. I have one of Budís C93(s) but have not had time at the range with it yet. Right now Iím just hoping the thing produces decent results yet if it does then later Iíll look in to getting the paddle installed. 👍
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Thanks Troy and others for all this information.

Obviously the best thing to do is to hope Zenith offers one and at a decent price. I have one of Budís C93(s) but have not had time at the range with it yet. Right now Iím just hoping the thing produces decent results yet if it does then later Iíll look in to getting the paddle installed. 👍
OOoo, might want to rethink that just a hair, Glenn. The obvious best thing to do would be buy an HK93.

But I follow your line of thinking.

Zenith finally came through with a few more of their imported 9mm's and there have been some legitimate complaints about function and quality control. In short there are many unhappy folks. Seems Zenith dropped the ball in QC on the last batch. If they do happen to bring in more 5.56 rifles pray the issues don't extend into those also.
What sucks is if they do become available they will be hot, people will snap them up quickly and they'll be gone. There's no time for anyone to wait until that batch hits the ranges to see if there are any issues.
So a buyer is stuck. Be one of the first to jump, taking a gamble, or wait for reports, and miss out.

It's good to hear you have your C93. Don't be afraid of it, get out there and put some rounds through it. Do mags fit? Is the bolt gap good? Are the sights straight? You may have a diamond in the rough right there. Please do update, I like success stories.
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OOoo, might want to rethink that just a hair, Glenn. The obvious best thing to do would be buy an HK93.

But I follow your line of thinking.

Zenith finally came through with a few more of their imported 9mm's and there have been some legitimate complaints about function and quality control. In short there are many unhappy folks. Seems Zenith dropped the ball in QC on the last batch. If they do happen to bring in more 5.56 rifles pray the issues don't extend into those also.
What sucks is if they do become available they will be hot, people will snap them up quickly and they'll be gone. There's no time for anyone to wait until that batch hits the ranges to see if there are any issues.
So a buyer is stuck. Be one of the first to jump, taking a gamble, or wait for reports, and miss out.

It's good to hear you have your C93. Don't be afraid of it, get out there and put some rounds through it. Do mags fit? Is the bolt gap good? Are the sights straight? You may have a diamond in the rough right there. Please do update, I like success stories.
Here's mine currently.


True enough but the HK 93 is for the most part unobtainium. I never see them unless theyíre over $4-K. I have some OEM mags but Iíve mostly done the notch mod on some Promags which lock pretty tight and don5 hang up when I close the bolt. I still have yet to get the feeler gauge out and check the headspace but will do so before I head to the range.

I must say as far as PTR goes Iíve been working on the PTR 32. Picked that up in place of an AK. Accurate as can be for that caliber and was a good decision to make. 👍
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That sure is a nice looking rifle HKshooter!

I'm glad I stumbled on this thread, don't come to the files much. I was planning on doing a paddle mag release on my beater 93 but that shelf bracket looked like a beast to work with. I might re-think it as the one I did on my cetme wasn't that fun.
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That sure is a nice looking rifle HKshooter!

I'm glad I stumbled on this thread, don't come to the files much. I was planning on doing a paddle mag release on my beater 93 but that shelf bracket looked like a beast to work with. I might re-think it as the one I did on my cetme wasn't that fun.
I havenít ever checked YouTube for it but I would like to see the process of installing the paddle lever as well as how to basically build the whole gun from flats. 👍
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