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Old November 09, 2019, 19:01   #51
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VA Beach/Hampton/Norfolk- pretty much all black now. Oldsters/gun show guys are aging/dying out and the dynamic is gradually changing in central and coastal va now.
sorry to learn that

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Montana is a third way gone or better
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Old November 09, 2019, 20:52   #52
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You should lay down that "Democrat vs Republican" baggage. Its just a distraction. There is only freedom and liberty on one end and tyranny on the other with varying degrees of either in between. Lots of 'R's' have slid towards the tyranny end. Never be surprised.
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One of the most insufferable side effects of this ‘vote harder’ fad is the impression that somehow one is obligated to listen to the oppressors. To get mildly academic for a minute, the act of voting does not imply the rule of recognition for the local, state and federal officials. It certainly does not require it. People can talk and pass laws until they are blue in the face and demand my respect and obedience, but to what end? The political will to do me harm must be there as well as the mechanism, and the entire premise hangs on my unwillingness to accept the manifest consequences of that political will. The reason nine robed geriatrics have any power to decide anything is people are afraid of the masked men from three-letter-agencies coming to their door. That power ceases to exist the moment you start accepting that you’re already a dead man walking....

...I can minimize the risk, legal and otherwise, but at a certain point life is less about safety and more about principles. No one here should have any illusions about whether or not being a vocal political dissident is safer than an obedient serf. Act accordingly...

....I’m entirely willing to go farther and harder down that road than they ever want to. Ban the guns, ban civilization…ban me. The clarity will be welcome. Many of us have been paying attention for the better part of a decade. Why should I fret or worry about the inevitable results we all knew were coming. The left wants me and everyone like me dead. Fretting won’t solve the issue and voting harder certainly won’t. We have all been gifted with years to sort our lives out, make friends, get harder and more dangerous, and arm ourselves to the teeth. We are in the middle of the golden age of firearms and the average civilian has never had access to this level of quality training and firearms in history. It’s a good day to be alive, so use it wisely. The communists and anarchists are going to do what they must do, spread chaos, slavery and destruction. We are going to do what we must do. I can square what I do with my God, my wife and my people, so to the simpering cowards in Richmond and D.C. I say…so what?

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Old November 09, 2019, 22:06   #53
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Arizona is on their list. They increasingly gain ground in the urban areas. Here in Kingman (Mohave county) we are largely red--but we only have a couple hundred thousand people.
Phoenix, Tuscon have all the peeps--and are largely blue. It's a matter of time.
Most folks that 'matter' arent having kids. Been duped into sterilization or 1.2 kids if any. The others though are reproducing at an alarming rate, and they vote commie.
The reverse is what Obama attempted in the upper Midwest
importing thousands of African Blacks, settling them here with the assistance of the Church
it was a marginal backfire as Somali males have a gun culture
for that matter, so do Arabs

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Arizona is on their list. They increasingly gain ground in the urban areas. Here in Kingman (Mohave county) we are largely red--but we only have a couple hundred thousand people.
Phoenix, Tuscon have all the peeps--and are largely blue. It's a matter of time.
Most folks that 'matter' arent having kids. Been duped into sterilization or 1.2 kids if any. The others though are reproducing at an alarming rate, and they vote commie.
Sadly,, all true,,,a couple more cycles,,,6/8 yrs,,,going to get real ugly around here.
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Old November 09, 2019, 23:18   #55
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You should lay down that "Democrat vs Republican" baggage. Its just a distraction. There is only freedom and liberty on one end and tyranny on the other with varying degrees of either in between. Lots of 'R's' have slid towards the tyranny end. Never be surprised.
Totally agree. You know the saying, the greatest trick the devil has is convincing people he doesn’t exist?

Well, the greatest trick our two parties have is convincing us theirs a difference between them.

Like you say..they distract us with wedge issues and both pursue the same agenda.

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Old November 09, 2019, 23:27   #56
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Well, the greatest trick our two parties have is convincing us theirs a difference between them. ....
sure there is a difference: the Rs are performing their bit while holding a bible in one hand.
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Old November 10, 2019, 00:28   #57
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Looks like the whole country is being turned into a reservation, no property rights, shitty health care, arrogant bureaucrats, people stealing your land, shitty schools, welcome to the rez.
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Totally agree. You know the saying, the greatest trick the devil has is convincing people he doesn’t exist?

Well, the greatest trick our two parties have is convincing us theirs a difference between them.

Like you say..they distract us with wedge issues and both pursue the same agenda.

Loss of rights
Control

psssss, keep it down.

You might wake up the Faltards that have been proudly voting R,, decade after decade, cheering on more of the same, failed war after failed war, lesser of two evils, all the way down into R party irrelevancy,,,,, all while claiming it is heavy lifting.






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Old November 10, 2019, 02:12   #59
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Looks like the whole country is being turned into a reservation, no property rights, shitty health care, arrogant bureaucrats, people stealing your land, shitty schools, welcome to the rez.
Yes, your dreams are finally being realized.
That ought to make you happy.





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Old November 10, 2019, 02:15   #60
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Sadly,, all true,,,a couple more cycles,,,6/8 yrs,,,going to get real ugly around here.
6/8 years, eh...?

Dream on if you think it'll last that long...

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I guess a county in Florida is setting up a sanctuary zone in one of their counties...I'm curious to see if there are more of these coming down the line. But will this really mean anything if higher ups say "so what" and still make their moves:

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/po...a-42e64e1e1b1f

County is first in Florida to declare itself a 'Second Amendment Sanctuary'

LAKE COUNTY, Fla. — On Tuesday, Lake County became the first Florida county to declare itself a "Second Amendment Sanctuary."

The resolution passed 4-0, according to CBS affiliate WKMG.

Commissioner Josh Blake said the resolution was proposed because of the ongoing national debate over gun control and gun violence.

The resolution lists a dozen reasons for the proposal, including citing verbiage from the Second Amendment, multiple court cases and Article I, Section 8 of the state constitution.

It reads in part, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law."

The resolution continues by stating the board of county commissioners "declares Lake County as a Second Amendment Sanctuary in order to preserve...the rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America."

WKMG said Lake County Sheriff Peyton Grinnell also supports the resolution.
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Old November 10, 2019, 08:34   #62
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Relocating to where...?

I relocated to Colorado from New York going on 40 years ago, and here I am (if you catch my drift)...

When a country is lost, do States of residence really matter much anymore?

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I hear you, and get your point. However, I’ll take a bullet before I live like a pansy European, with no guns and only a plastic butter knife to cut my meat. I’d like to put that off as long as possible, live in a free state (again, as long as possible), and maybe die a natural death instead.
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I guess a county in Florida is setting up a sanctuary zone in one of their counties...I'm curious to see if there are more of these coming down the line. But will this really mean anything if higher ups say "so what" and still make their moves:

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/po...a-42e64e1e1b1f

County is first in Florida to declare itself a 'Second Amendment Sanctuary'

LAKE COUNTY, Fla. — On Tuesday, Lake County became the first Florida county to declare itself a "Second Amendment Sanctuary."

The resolution passed 4-0, according to CBS affiliate WKMG.

Commissioner Josh Blake said the resolution was proposed because of the ongoing national debate over gun control and gun violence.

The resolution lists a dozen reasons for the proposal, including citing verbiage from the Second Amendment, multiple court cases and Article I, Section 8 of the state constitution.

It reads in part, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law."

The resolution continues by stating the board of county commissioners "declares Lake County as a Second Amendment Sanctuary in order to preserve...the rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America."

WKMG said Lake County Sheriff Peyton Grinnell also supports the resolution.
Great question. I have acquaintances in area sheriff depts. They claim that their sheriff wouldn't enforce things like a red flag law. The newly-elected sheriff of my county attended his victory celebration wearing an NRA cap. But let the leftist Governor and his leftist cabal threaten withholding state funding and see what happens! Remember when President Trump threatened doing that with sanctuary cities and the maelstrom of opposition it caused from the left? Well, watch it be done by governors against sanctuary counties and agencies who refuse to enforce the new tyranny and be lauded by those very same leftists.
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What has occurred in Virginia is that the populous area of northern Virginia filled to overflowing with people (mostly not from Virginia) who make their living off the federal government directly or indirectly coupled with soccer moms and (probably) illegal voters succeeded in electing socialists, themselves funded with millions of $$$ from the likes of Bloomberg and Soros. Leftist enclaves like Charlottesville, Richmond, and Virginia Beach to the east finished things off. Left without hopes of any effective representation is the area south of I64 and west of I95, mostly rural areas with 'real' Virginians, not the carpet bagger leftists.

Those of you shaking your heads and thinking how glad you are it isn't happening to you can think again. There hardly is a state without large urban areas being run by DNC leftists. Control the cities and you control the entire state. Its simple mathematics. Soros is spending millions on local and state races to elect local and state officials who think like him. Electing local prosecutors is a big prize for him.
Agreed. The millions that came in under the corrupt Obama years went in large to turn this country into a socialist quagmire. I don't think we can reverse course either, and violence is sure to come from the radical left once Trump is gone and all the scandals are covered up.

Sad that middle America is just waking up to this.
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sure there is a difference: the Rs are performing their bit while holding a bible in one hand.
Right? My family was a huge part of goldwaters election and had always been die hard republicans.

They actually used to be the party of morality, smaller government, fiscal conservatism. There were always the exceptions and scumbags but it was a different better party.


The hypocrisy is unreal.
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Republicans have always held the line; I worked for Goldwater, Reagan, Bush, Perot, Bush, McCain, Romney; all better than the oozing slime democrats

That you are a liberal is fine, just tell us about it. Tell us how Hillary sicks vomit.
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6/8 years, eh...?

Dream on if you think it'll last that long...

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Republicans have always held the line; I worked for Goldwater, Reagan, Bush, Perot, Bush, McCain, Romney; all better than the oozing slime democrats

That you are a liberal is fine, just tell us about it. Tell us how Hillary sicks vomit.
Republicans have always held the line, eh? That's a good one...

And the rest, WTF...?

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When people are promised free shit,,,,they will gladly give up all of their rights for a free bowl of luke warm soup, and a dry blanket.

I read that somewhere,,can't remember who wrote it,,,but it sums up today for millions upon millions of people.
I'll agree with some of this. It seems many people, most likely in a younger majority are willing to support and perhaps vote for whichever candidate(s) that promise them the easiest way, and the most free stuff...medical, food, housing etc. I meet alot of young people who are lazy, for lack of a better word. My personal philosophy is work hard and earn it. This younger crowd...not so much. It also seems that this particular crowd does not consider or maybe even care about what they might have to give in return for "free" stuff. Maybe some folks are willing to take a microchip in exchange for a free ride. That thought is very worrisome to me. Then again, I am told I'm oudated.
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I'll agree with some of this. It seems many people, most likely in a younger majority are willing to support and perhaps vote for whichever candidate(s) that promise them the easiest way, and the most free stuff...medical, food, housing etc. I meet alot of young people who are lazy, for lack of a better word. My personal philosophy is work hard and earn it. This younger crowd...not so much. It also seems that this particular crowd does not consider or maybe even care about what they might have to give in return for "free" stuff. Maybe some folks are willing to take a microchip in exchange for a free ride. That thought is very worrisome to me. Then again, I am told I'm outdated.
Me too,,,often.
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The End of America as we know it. Only a matter of time now as the writing is on the wall.
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The End of America as we know it. Only a matter of time now as the writing is on the wall.
Nah,,,,we ain't even begun to fight this battle for real.

Now its just all politics/whining,,,etc,,,,battles/wars always come after the blabbering is wrung out of the mealy mouths.

We're somewhere along the time line of ,,,1855 to 1861,,,,somewhere along there,,,just,,,,,2019 style.
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The End of America as we know it. Only a matter of time now as the writing is on the wall.
The end of America as I knew it has already happened. I find that the America as I now know it is not very comforting to me as I tally up all that has been lost just in my lifetime. Why can't people just leave others alone? They obviously cannot. There now are people I don't know and who I will never met that are busy planning on forcing me to comply with their wishes or else me be considered a criminal and treated as such. They will threaten not only fines and jail time, but deadly force against me for not complying with their dictates. Think about that! I will remain a law-abiding citizen up until some future stroke of midnight, after which I will be a felon. WTF kind of country is this now? The writings been on the wall for years.... decades, in fact. Today its engraved with 10' high capital letters and illuminated with spot lights!

Sometimes I think I'm hearing others shout a warning to be careful or we might fall as we already have hurtled past the fiftieth floor at terminal velocity heading towards the pavement.
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The end of America as I knew it has already happened. I find that the America as I now know it is not very comforting to me as I tally up all that has been lost just in my lifetime. Why can't people just leave others alone? They obviously cannot. There now are people I don't know and who I will never met that are busy planning on forcing me to comply with their wishes or else me be considered a criminal and treated as such. They will threaten not only fines and jail time, but deadly force against me for not complying with their dictates. Think about that! I will remain a law-abiding citizen up until some future stroke of midnight, after which I will be a felon. WTF kind of country is this now? The writings been on the wall for years.... decades, in fact. Today its engraved with 10' high capital letters and illuminated with spot lights!

Sometimes I think I'm hearing others shout a warning to be careful or we might fall as we already have hurtled past the fiftieth floor at terminal velocity heading towards the pavement.
the bolshies are intent on abolishing/socializing/criminalizing our bill of rights, the electoral college.

that makes bolshies -- and the entire democrat party -- domestic enemies of our bill of rights, and of the constitution that is authorized and legitimized by our bill of rights.


an existential crisis, exclusive, oppositional conflict.

ain't but one way to resolve it.
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the bolshies are intent on abolishing/socializing/criminalizing our bill of rights, the electoral college.

that makes bolshies -- and the entire democrat party -- domestic enemies of our bill of rights, and of the constitution that is authorized and legitimized by our bill of rights.


an existential crisis, exclusive, oppositional conflict.

ain't but one way to resolve it.
I agree with you. They are everything you describe. But you know what? They are organized. They have lots of resources. They have lots of guns and people to use them under the color of law who will, upon a phone call, come kill us in ones and twos. They also have half the population who will cheer them on.... until later when it comes to be their turn. General Lee had the Army of Northern Virginia. What do those of us who still revere the Constitution currently have?
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I agree with you. They are everything you describe. But you know what? They are organized. They have lots of resources. They have lots of guns and people to use them under the color of law who will, upon a phone call, come kill us in ones and twos. They also have half the population who will cheer them on.... until later when it comes to be their turn. General Lee had the Army of Northern Virginia. What do those of us who still revere the Constitution currently have?
yeah and if you had been paying attention, then you would also understand that metros are now bioweapons of mass destruction in being -- turn off the lights, the EBT cards stop working and the hairless monkeys inhabiting those metros will then eat each other and burn it all to the ground.

just look how they went full chimp out over their peyepeyes chicken sammich.
multiply that chimp out by 100K.

the bolshies depend on their metros,
and sure they can drone strike us gunnies one by one, but eventually those lights are getting turned off, the metros will burn, and the bolshie leadership will make their escape.

the trick is to intercept the escaping bolshie leaders in time so they cannot make it to their plane to fly out of the country once their metros are burning.


Lee played nice: he did not abuse the people of PA on his offensives, because he was a gentleman and a statesman, and abuse was not an option.
red bolshies do not play nice, they want you dead, and to take your stuff.

that shit works both ways.

there is a reason there is no statute of limitations, due process, or jurisdictional boundaries on running down enemies of our bill of rights.

only way to deal with any rat infestation is to kill them all, every last one of them.
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yeah and if you had been paying attention, then you would also understand that metros are now bioweapons of mass destruction in being -- turn off the lights, the EBT cards stop working and the hairless monkeys inhabiting those metros will then eat each other and burn it all to the ground.

just look how they went full chimp out over their peyepeyes chicken sammich.
multiply that chimp out by 100K.

the bolshies depend on their metros,
and sure they can drone strike us gunnies one by one, but eventually those lights are getting turned off, the metros will burn, and the bolshie leadership will make their escape.

the trick is to intercept the escaping bolshie leaders in time so they cannot make it to their plane to fly out of the country once their metros are burning.


Lee played nice: he did not abuse the people of PA on his offensives, because he was a gentleman and a statesman, and abuse was not an option.
red bolshies do not play nice, they want you dead, and to take your stuff.

that shit works both ways.

there is a reason there is no statute of limitations, due process, or jurisdictional boundaries on running down enemies of our bill of rights.

only way to deal with any rat infestation is to kill them all, every last one of them.
Yeah, well, to them, WE are the rat infestation. Allow time for that to sink in.
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Yeah, well, to them, WE are the rat infestation. Allow time for that to sink in.
we already know that-- which is why i said that shit works both ways

"a house divided will not stand" applies.


this conflict will continue so long as the pain of the fix is feared more than the pain of putting up with the bolshie shit.
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The End of America as we know it. Only a matter of time now as the writing is on the wall.
There is one thing that these money fueled commies haven’t considered yet....
another financial collapse is brewing. The signs are all there and the trigger is set. This is going to be a rerun of 2007.....the millenials and the generation after them will be locked in a struggle to survive again that will make the last one look like a picnic. Take away their money....as in take away the jobs and your thinking becomes more focused. The FSA (Free Shit Army) also known as the National Democrat Socialist Party will be swept away this time in the mountain of debt that they and their bankers have piled up. I am not suggesting that Rs are not part of the equation just that one will get blamed......the Warrens and Bernie’s and their high profile socialist ilk will be full on targets this time unlike McCain quisling bullshit not calling out Obama’s plans to destroy Amerika.
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Or they may use it like FDR to consolidate their power or maybe even more so, just like Hitler did.
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Or they may use it like FDR to consolidate their power or maybe even more so, just like Hitler did.
The more likely outcome...

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