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Old November 08, 2019, 12:21   #1
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Century law enforcement import. Value? Seller asking $2500
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Old November 08, 2019, 12:39   #2
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I'm no expert, but that's sounds pretty good for the real deal.
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If you don't want it i sure would like a chance at it. Just let me know.
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Old November 08, 2019, 13:33   #4
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Make sure its the real deal if you want a Brit rifle....some of these were built on Indian receivers with Brit parts....
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Old November 08, 2019, 17:35   #5
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Make sure its the real deal if you want a Brit rifle....some of these were built on Indian receivers with Brit parts....
How do you tell?
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Old November 08, 2019, 19:09   #6
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Old November 08, 2019, 19:45   #7
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How do you tell?
They were marked with an import mark on the exposed portion of the barrel. Something like "CAI ST ALBANS VT" and "ENGLAND". Also, probably due to the way they were imported (dismantled into separate crates of uppers and lowers), they tend to have mismatched uppers and lowers as well.

The import mark is especially important, because there are also L1A1s out there that migrated across the border from Canada in a more enlightened time. Those are definitely NOT legal...the LEO-marked ones at least have some legal standing to be in the US.

As to the Indian rifles...they're marked a bit differently ("1A1" and R.F.I. come to mind) and the Indian parts look like they were made with files and hand tools in a high school shop.
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The import mark is especially important, because there are also L1A1s out there that migrated across the border from Canada in a more enlightened time. Those are definitely NOT legal...
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I dunno. Tell that to my buddy that has all the import paperwork from the 1960s. Declared, stamped, signed, imported.
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Old November 09, 2019, 00:25   #9
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Aussie L1A1's

Nog's friend isn't the only one who has one with a US Customs declaration. Mine is a AD061 and is searcut. When I bought it, It had a Canadian C1A1 Butt stock, A C1 bolt/carrier, A Canadian Pistol grip,C1 two slot wood hand guards and a C1 Barrel.The Upper and lower are Aussie. Now it's all Aussie again. When Andy the Aussie and his Mrs stayed with us for 4 days it was all Aussie again and when he smelt the Aussie Furniture on it that was all NOS out of the Aussie creosote waxed paper, You'd thought that he died and went back to the land of OZ again. The Aussie wood was all from Fal Files member EX-1.

Brit SLR/L1A1's have the import marks on the barrel. Most were FTR'ed long before they were sold to Century Arm's International Inc. In today's market 2500.00 is a steal of a deal. I've seen them sell in the past as high as 4500.00 in the past 8 years. In today's market people are asking STUPID sky high prices for Belgium Fal's on different web sites like Gun Broker and others as well.
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LEO L1A1 + $2500 = CHEAP!
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+1. $2500 is pretty reasonable for one of these guns.
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Old November 09, 2019, 20:16   #12
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I dunno. Tell that to my buddy that has all the import paperwork from the 1960s. Declared, stamped, signed, imported.
Interesting, though I suppose not impossible (C1s were being sold to members of the DCRA after all)...I guess such a rifle would need to have all of that paperwork accompanying it. Is your buddy's rifle the Vietnam bring-back that's been mentioned before a few times?
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Nog's friend isn't the only one who has one with a US Customs declaration. Mine is a AD061 and is searcut. When I bought it, It had a Canadian C1A1 Butt stock, A C1 bolt/carrier, A Canadian Pistol grip,C1 two slot wood hand guards and a C1 Barrel.The Upper and lower are Aussie. Now it's all Aussie again. When Andy the Aussie and his Mrs stayed with us for 4 days it was all Aussie again and when he smelt the Aussie Furniture on it that was all NOS out of the Aussie creosote waxed paper, You'd thought that he died and went back to the land of OZ again. The Aussie wood was all from Fal Files member EX-1.
.....it now includes a little Aussie drool as well....
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Not a single number matches, is this normal for issue rifles? Or did century assemble these rifles from a pile of parts? Have not had a chance to shoot it yet but hope to soon. Thanks
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I've seen two L1's that had matching numbers on both the trigger housing and the receiver, bolts and carriers had different numbers. Possibly re-arsenaled with parts that had a better fit?
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Nog's friend isn't the only one who has one with a US Customs declaration. Mine is a AD061 and is searcut. When I bought it, It had a Canadian C1A1 Butt stock, A C1 bolt/carrier, A Canadian Pistol grip,C1 two slot wood hand guards and a C1 Barrel.The Upper and lower are Aussie. Now it's all Aussie again. When Andy the Aussie and his Mrs stayed with us for 4 days it was all Aussie again and when he smelt the Aussie Furniture on it that was all NOS out of the Aussie creosote waxed paper, You'd thought that he died and went back to the land of OZ again. The Aussie wood was all from Fal Files member EX-1.

Brit SLR/L1A1's have the import marks on the barrel. Most were FTR'ed long before they were sold to Century Arm's International Inc. In today's market 2500.00 is a steal of a deal. I've seen them sell in the past as high as 4500.00 in the past 8 years. In today's market people are asking STUPID sky high prices for Belgium Fal's on different web sites like Gun Broker and others as well.


Speaking of U.S. Customs declarations i had a Winchester Model 12 trench gun with this. Was marked on left side of receiver plus the paperwork. I never did know origin of this but assumed it was a Vietnam shotgun but why the U.S. Customs involvement?
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Not a single number matches, is this normal for issue rifles? Or did century assemble these rifles from a pile of parts? Have not had a chance to shoot it yet but hope to soon. Thanks
The latter. In Australian/British service, these rifles would have had their bolt, carrier and lower matched to the upper receiver's serial number to indicate that they had been gauged and fitted to that particular rifle. When a salvaged part was reused, the old serial number was to be removed (or at least struck out) and the number of the new rifle marked on it.

Back in the day, some of the FALs/L1A1s that came to the American market were shipped dismantled into subgroups...the lower assemblies would be in one crate, the upper/barrel assemblies in another crate, with the bolts/carriers and other small parts dropped in one or the other crate. The late Pat Jones once posted some pics of freshly-opened crates of L1A1s shipped in this manner.

I suspect that's how these arrived at CAI, and they simply put upper assembly A with lower assembly B and dropped in whatever bolt/carrier group came next off the pile.
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I suspect that's how these arrived at CAI, and they simply put upper assembly A with lower assembly B and dropped in whatever bolt/carrier group came next off the pile.


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