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Old December 23, 2019, 18:28   #1
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How many FPS to kill small vermin with .177 lead pellet gun?

How many FPS to kill small vermin with .177 lead pellet gun?

Got squirrels eating our Christmas light wiring. Wife has signed their death warrant.

Tried an old Daisy 717 and seems that either I totally missed (probably not) or the 300-400 fps is only enough to sting them hard and make 'em run.

Can't use a .22 rimfire we're in a a subdivsion

Have a cO2 rifle that claims about 750fps with .177 lead pellets. Will that do the trick?
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Old December 23, 2019, 18:30   #2
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Try the CO2 rifle, that might do it. Really, you need to get close and be accurate. A pellet behind the ear will put their lights out at close range.

Be sure to consult your local animal harvest regs in case a neighbor rats you out to the game warden. What you're proposing isn't really legal where I live.
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Old December 23, 2019, 18:34   #3
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My Dad (also in the city limits down in AL) had a similar problem with squirrels and dispatched several with a CO2 pellet rifle.
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Old December 23, 2019, 18:40   #4
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Thanks, I'll be shooting from close range (15-20 feet) and from inside concealment like a true snyper lol !
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Old December 23, 2019, 18:53   #6
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Old December 23, 2019, 19:16   #7
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They are quieter than my RWS 48 model.. That RWS will shoot through a 2 inch telephone book.
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Old December 23, 2019, 19:22   #8
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Texgunner can speak to this. He's a squirrel eliminating machine with a pellet gun. I kilt a rabbit with a head shot when I has a kid with a .177 daisy in the day. But the dance of death he did wasn't pretty.
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I kilt a rabbit with a head shot when I has a kid with a .177 daisy in the day. But the dance of death he did wasn't pretty.
Interesting. I have not hunted rabbits for over 30 years, but I've seen rabbits drop from just a couple or three hits of 7.5 shot. My general impression has always been that almost any trauma to a rabbit was deadly. Maybe not????
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Old December 23, 2019, 19:36   #10
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Interesting. I have not hunted rabbits for over 30 years, but I've seen rabbits drop from just a couple or three hits of 7.5 shot. My general impression has always been that almost any trauma to a rabbit was deadly. Maybe not????
I scared one to death a few years ago. No shit, no physical contact but kicked the bucket out of fear........I guess.......or surprise......'bout the same.

Of course I also shot 2 doves down while they were flying with a single shot BB gun.....just had to learn proper lead. I watched as the bird fly into the path of the BB.

This was 2 separate occasions....not that I shot 2 dove with one BB at the same time....
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.177 around 1000 FPS will take these AZ huge ass Jack rabbit things out this way all day long and they are some tough bastards.
Out to about 75 yards.

They eat mama's plants,,,small trees,,anything green in fact.

Termites with four furry feet and big ears.

Walmart sells a copper plated pellet they claim to increase speed a couple hundred FPS,,for several bucks more,,,can't tell any difference between them and the cheapo stuff though.

My record,,,9 in one evening around sundown.

Getting rid of the carcasses,,,now that's a whole other issue.
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Old December 23, 2019, 20:12   #12
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The Antelope jack rabbits are really good eating, the regular jacks I'd rather eat shoe leather.

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Old December 23, 2019, 20:59   #13
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750 fps with a pointed pellet will work. Flat point won't.

Had a Chinese made spring action .177 a long time ago that chrono'd at ~650 fps. Worked out to about 25 yards.

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Old December 23, 2019, 21:56   #14
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10 pumps and a BB will kill better than pellet because BB penetrates better.

Not as accurate as a pellet though.

BB slides past ribs much better than pellet.

Once the lung is compromised, there's no coming back.
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Old December 23, 2019, 22:25   #15
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.22 cb in a bolt rifle is way quieter than say a Sheridan or RWS and is more than sufficient.
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Old December 23, 2019, 22:27   #16
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And they are still coming back
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Get a full auto airsoft, shoot metal pellets - and just bruise the critters to death!
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Old December 23, 2019, 23:27   #19
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I done killed all sorts of small critters with my old Crosman 766 back in the day. 760 would do it too. I've got a Benjamin,now,but haven't shot it much. Usually opt for the old Remmy .22 bolt gun and low velocity longs.
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1250fps. I use one of these .177, w/ a Leupold VX-II 3-9x33mm Ultralight EFR Rifle Scope, as I canít get close enough to the tree rats before they run off.
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Diana_RWS_350_Magnum/396

Works great @ 50yds.
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IIRC, ANY object that can move over 550 fps can CRACK A SKULL, If you could throw a ball point pen 550 fps, you could "THEORETICALLY" crack someone's skull with it.

My Dad wore out a Sheridan in 5mm shooting rats and pigeons at the grain elevators where he worked. I don't think you are allowed to shoot them in the same elevators today. He used to say with 20 pumps, if you hit them in the head, the pellet would come out of their aze. If you shot them it the aze, it would come out of their head.. The grain elevator fed river rats are bigger than your average squirrel.

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1250 is gonna crack pretty good, mebbe not a good choice for a development!!

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Texgunner can speak to this. He's a squirrel eliminating machine with a pellet gun. I kilt a rabbit with a head shot when I has a kid with a .177 daisy in the day. But the dance of death he did wasn't pretty.
Heh, heh...yeah, my squirrel elimination program has gone swimmingly in the last year and a half. I've killed more than 50 of them with a Ruger Impact .22 air rifle, fiber optic open sights. Pushes a lead 14.5 gr pellet at about 800 fps. That thing is hell on those varmints; most shots are less than 60' and many have required a "follow up" mercy shot. But a good head shot will nail them dead. I ain't that good of a shot though-aim small, miss small.
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That's funny. Ole Texgunner claims he cleaned em up at the grassy knoll area.

And they are still coming back
A couple of 'em were dressed as bums. They got away. For now.
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I'll throw some general data out there

In the UK airgun hunters are limited to 12FPE guns
that's a typical stock Crossman .177
they use them extensively on rabbits in particular

Big thing in the Russias is drive by Urban Crow shooting with suppressed pneumatic bullpups
while not "legal" the police turn a blind eye to the hobby as Crows are a pest bird. yeah it's mostly done from cars, out the window

Head shots in these power ranges are not where it's at
body shots through lungs is what you do
you don't have to trust in me one bit.
Check out hunting boards globally
I have a couple friends in Australia who hunt with FWB 300 series match rifles I sold and shipped them. Those are 10 meter guns running maybe 550 FPS in .177 but will put one pellet atop another if you do your part.

YH brought up those stupid pellets
They are shit
much lighter to increase velocity but rather inaccurate
stick with plain lead

AGs don't rely on velocity
don't get suckered by 1000 FPS guns
your projectile is a non aerodynamic flying trash can, faster you push it the less accuracy you get...particularly with cheaper guns

for most folks an old 5mm Sheridan with stock pellets and say 5 pumps is great.
Just get an old one, rebuild it if needed
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I live rural, so my varminter of choice for small vermin is a 10/22 target with Federal auto match. One hit and they're drt.
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I live rural, so my varminter of choice for small vermin is a 10/22 target with Federal auto match. One hit and they're drt.
yeppers, no question
thing is you just can't do that as a townie
many places it's getting hard to even shoot a BB gun in town on your own property under local ordinance

some real horror stories on airgun boards regarding neighbors doing 911 over this all.
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thing is you just can't do that as a townie
many places it's getting hard to even shoot a BB gun in town on your own property under local ordinance
Like here
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Like here
like I stated there are real horror stories on AG boards
some character shooting 10 meter with a low power match gun gets swatted by a neighbor
Pretty messed up but it's the world we live in
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They're tough critters. Even if hit in the vitals you may not see them drop.
You want to go sub-sonic to stay quiet, 1,000 fps will do the trick for sure, not sure about 770 fps, it needs to penetrate the vitals...............
Another option would be a rat trap baited with peanut butter on a small piece of cloth. Might want to place something under the spring to create more tension.
Oh...and check your local laws and regulations to make sure you're not doing anything illegal........
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They are damned tough.

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Injured, hanging upside-down, and still flipping you off with his left paw.~ss
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Injured, hanging upside-down, and still flipping you off with his left paw.~ss
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Hell, I told you they were tough, and bad too!

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Squirrels are tough. Headshots are required unless you want them running into your neighbors yards and dying. Peruse the forums on straightshooters dot com for good info.

Beeman RX will shut off raccoons and groundhogs at 25 yards and beyond if you can hit the dime sized sweet spot. I took many squirrels with an RWS-34 before I found better options. Beeman R9 is a good starter with good aftermarket support but Iím intrigued by newer gas piston guns. CO2 is temperature sensitive and loses speed under 75 degrees. Pump pneumatics also suffer POI shifts depending on how soon you fire after pumping because compressing air makes it warmer and increases pressure but as it cools you lose pressure and velocity.
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Was pouring cup of coffee as saw squirrel in back yard this morning. By time I walked to patio door, picked up suppressed 22 rim fire loaded with 40 grain subsonic ammo and opened the door he was going full speed for the tall trees beyond rear fence line. He paused just a moment as prepared to jump from one tree to another at the 90 yard mark so with elevation he gained in tree used my 100 yard hash mark on scope (know yardage to every tree on my property from porch, patio and deck) and I tripped the sear. Round using has 101 ft/lbs of energy at muzzle and 68 ft/lbs at 100 yards. He tried holding onto limb about five seconds before letting go and was dead before he hit the ground.

I have a myriad of 177 and 22 caliber air rifles and spring loaded rifles of which I have poor luck making reliable clean kill shots. I have a suppressed custom 10/22 loaded with subsonic ammo at every door to the house. Had to build five total as have one in bathroom and shoot out master bath window often as well. Suggest you build a custom or semi custom 10/22 and spring it for subsonic ammo of choice. Put a suppressor on it and work like a movie serial killer. I kill over 500 squirrel per year between work and home. Kill more at work and have to be dead quiet and 100% accurate or bullet will get off property.

A good Kidd or Volquartzen barrel with 2 pound trigger in an ergonomic stock with well practiced and researched drop chart memorized you can snipe any vermin in your yard. I shoot squirrel, chipmunk, ground hogs/coyote (in neighbors yard using 60 grain Aguila sniper subsonic, subsonic suppressed rifles 6 and 7 for house) but sit and take readings to popular limbs, forks in trees and their favorite trees to eat plus favorite trees to hide using my laser range finder and most times can tell within five feet actual distance from my normal shooting stances to where varmint is. Have to pop chipmunks in yard with laser to get consistent hits.

Squirrel I shot this morning was 92 yards when ranged limb he was on after the shot with laser range finder accurate to 2,000 yards so I was two yards off on my call which is likely why shot hit a little toward gut rather than shoulders for instant clean offhand kill. Am constantly watching for them as they are picking last of pecans can find off trees and no quarter is given. Way they have learned to run at smallest sound they found the range of air rifles quickly and laughed at me. Now a mix of suppressed 10/22 target grade rifles and 22 Hornet for when pass 100 yard line at rear fence and seldom does a day go by without multiple kills. There are thousands of them and nobody else shooting them. Have two neighbors shooting at them and till new next door neighbor itched from a 22 to a 12 gauge with #7 shot neither hit anything.

To kill small varmints with small rifles have to be accurate and predictable first, drop figured with good BDC scope and have big box of match grade subsonic ammo that has been tested for actual drop at every range you will shoot. I used to have different colored ribbons tied around very tree that were color coded to range of first limb but after 27 years in same house know how far it is to each tree at base, mid height and top. Just have to make minor guesses knowing should be withing one to three yards as a five yard miscalculation is a miss unless pick up my laser flat 22 Hornets but they wake neighbors early.
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The Antelope jack rabbits are really good eating, the regular jacks I'd rather eat shoe leather.

Damn, that is the some sho-nuff scary bad-ass rabbit. I wouldnít go after that evil sumbeech with less than a Magnum.
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My last post I skipped over OPs question about pellet rifles due to experience with trying to use them in the past for pest control. 0.177" pellets just don't have the mass to do the job though they do shoot flatter than a 0.22" due to lighter projectile weight. 0.22" can lose velocity but gives your mass and can be pushed up to 1,000 fps which is subsonic rim fire velocity with the heaviest 25 grain hunting pellets but an air rifle that will push a 25 grain pellet that fast is expensive and loud.

My more powerful air, gas piston and spring rifles are louder than suppressed rim fire and cost upwards of $300 to find 1,000 fps with a 25 grain pellet without a scope. A good air rifle scope isn't cheap and need to use proper scope as have seen many name brand centerfire rifle scopes wrecked by air rifles. Most of the air rifles I own were purchased from someone who bought firsthand for pest control and after a few weeks to a few months were trying to recoup all the money they could but used pellet rifles are hard to sell unless it's face to face an buyer can shoot it to ensure its not leakimg, worn out or has other issues.

There are several companies making 50 caliber air rifles that will push a 200 grain pellet up to 600 fps but you will pay over $500 usually for a decent one and the rangels is very short as a 200 grain projectile at 600 fps muzzle velocity begins dropping like a brick past 25 yards.

Crossman Bengamin, Beeman, Gamo, RWS and similar rifles in gas piston, spring or air can be purchased in 0.177" with velocities of 600 to 1,400 fps with 18 to 20 grain pellet's and accuracy adds to cost. I have an RWS that is a 1,400 fps gas piston rifle and is loud, semi accurate and just pisses off a squirrel past 25 yards unless get a good head shot.

I have had the best success with 0.20" air rifles. I have a Beeman R9 as was the most inexpensive 20 caliber air rifle I could find at $499 with a good reputation. It's easy to spend $700 and more for a good 20 caliber pellet rifle. An RWS 350 can be found in 22 caliber for for $449 and is a fairly sure fire killer of squirrel out to fifty yards. At home I do have three pellet rifles and two at work which were all in the $200 to $399 price range new and I paid less from frustrated first owners. I do have one really nice 20 caliber pellet rfile but it stays in the safe as cost more than I would have in a custom Kidd or Volquartzen based rim fire build.

Notice at 30 yards most of the pellets tested had five to ten ft/lbs of energy left to do any killing



Notice all these common pellet rifle velocities sighted at 25 yards and what they do as push out tof fifty yards.



Notice the red trajectory for 800 fps. At 25 yards it is zeroed, at 40 yards has dropped a foot, at 50 yards has dropped two feet, at 60 yards drop is five feet, at 70 yards drop is almost eight feet and at 100 yards has dropped over 18 feet. With pellet rifles I have to use a laser range finder more than rifle as a shot estimated as 50 yards but is 55 and your elevation is off over a foot. If you have a small yard and shots are all under 40 yards or better 25 yards and less can mop up making head shots. Also have to imagine how much even a three to five mph breeze is going to push your windage off.

I do kill chipmunks and occasional squirrel with my pellet rifles but know where every new chipmunk hole appears, range it to within an inch or two from where muzzle of pellet rifle will fire from and sit on front porch or side patio and as they start out of their holes am waiting to break over the sear. This means spending an afternoon on front porch hoping a chipmunk will pop his head out of hole and pause long enough for me to get the shot off. Many chipmunk actually hear the lock work of the rifle begin and will be gone by time pellet arrives where they were. On occasion a squirrel will be really stupid and walk twenty feet across yard from me gathering acorns and get popped by a pellet but usually takes a second shot to anchor them after initial wounding.

I know some guys with good pellet rifles, years of training that can do much better. I remember as a kid killing many a tweety bird and even squirrel with a Daisy BB rifle then a Crossman pump but in retrospect I probably launched 50 to 100 projectiles for every kill. A friend of mine lives in a subdivision with over 500 houses all on 1/3 acre lots. Said no way he could use a rim fire due to number of homes and kids and drove me nuts wanting to borrow one of my pellet rifles. Squirrel were constantly chewing holes in houses all over his high dollar neighborhood and there were a dozen different wild game companies approved by the POA to trap and remove wild game. Said it cost a fortune to have them trapping and removing squirrel.

Went to Walmart and bought the best Crossman pump they had out of my pocket and loaned/gave to him with several tins of premium pointed hunting pellets plus added a 2-7x adjustable objective air rifle scope properly mounted and sighted in at 50 feet using my indoor range. Gave him the rifle and tins of pellets. He said he killed a couple on his rear deck then they learned to run to fence line and a direct hit would just cause them to finch and sit staring at him daring him to shoot them again if bigger squirrel and the smaller ones would run off.

I went down one weekday when kids were in school with a suppressed 10/22 sighted in to distance from his small table just inside sliding glass doors where they ate breakfast and dinner most days. Bought a replacement screen door panel for his sliding glass doors and left the glass doors open all day. Sat at the table with rifle rest and 10/22 loaded with subsonic 38 grain Aguila ammo and killed over fifty squirrel that all fell in his back yard. Could have killed over two hundred but he said if neighbors came home from work and their yards were littered with dead squirrel it would be hell to pay at next POA meeting.

When left we popped the replacement sliding screen door in and saved the shot up one. He is retired and whenever am in his area working stop for a couple hours, swap in the shot up screen and use kitchen table for snipers hide. Can usualy kill twenty to thirty squirrel in two to three hours and go back to work. Always swap in the good screen door before leave. Using the 38 grain Aguila Super Extra Hollow Point subsonic to his fence line squirrel drop like hit by a meteor. He says will have a week where squirrel avoid is yard then it becomes a free for all again but damage to his home is down 70% as they learn to avoid danger areas and between him wounding or hurting them with pellet rifle and me killing with suppressed rim fire they seem to just run his fences going to other yards and biggest reason are bird feeders. First thing I convinced him to do was put rat poison in bird feeder he had installed for wife as squirrel would fight the birds off for the food.

I have two pecan trees at work and nobody but me shoots in neighborhood as only two businesses and three houses that have fought annexing by the city thus still under county rules and can shoot rifles on my property. At home am 1/2 mile from city limits and have four pecan trees plus two nice fig trees. Keep two suppressed 10/22s at work using 38 grain Aguila Super Extra. Have five suppressed 10/22s at home with same ammo and have to replace the screen wire in storm window of master bath every spring. Have a second pair of suppressed 10/22s running Aguila 60 grain Sniper Subsonic for neighbors ground hogs and coyote.

27 years of no quarter given and the ground hogs have never made homes on my property but every house around me has foundation damage due to them burrowing down net to basement to stay warm during winter. I have the 22 Hornets for long shots can't pass up and soon to have another threaded with night vision as the suppressed 16" White Oak 5.56 with ATN 6x night vision is a bit loud for killing coyote so have a small can rated for 22 Hornet or even 223/5.56 if shoot less than three rounds a minute to overheat it ordered but will be for Hornet use only after dark and is getting an ATN 6x night arrow to kill all the coyote that come in to collect up the dead squirrel shot during the day. Feral cat keep them cleaned up at work.

I would rather kill varmints than almost anything. Suppressed 10/22 ultra match grade using Aguila 38 grain Super Extra, 60 grain Sniper Subsonic and a 22 Hornet will keep 150 yard death zone around your home. A pile of expensive pellet rifles will keep them beat back abut 40 yards at best with a lot of unclean kills or limping off wounded small critters. Have 1,040 fps 177, 1,050 20 caliber and 900 fps 22 caliber which are mostly an exercise in frustration for anything but target practice in basement.
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