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Old October 07, 2019, 08:28   #1
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ID this NOS para lower

I picked up this NOS lower still in cosmolene last year at Knob Creek. I'm trying to ID it. It appears to have the thicker black paint like the Belgian stuff has, but I do know that the Argy's had similar. There are no markings that I can see. If you can tell the difference, please state how so that we all learn.
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Old October 07, 2019, 08:32   #2
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Hard to tell from the pic; but there's a good chance it's one sold by Northridge, until they sold out a few months back.....if so, it's probably an FN Type 2.
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Old October 07, 2019, 08:39   #3
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It has the flat in the radius cut like the Type 2's have, not a simple radius. Pic of recoil plate still uploading, sorry.





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Old October 07, 2019, 09:25   #4
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Identical to the ones Northridge salted all over the country for the past ten/fifteen yearts or so. Has it got the spreader screw in place? If so that kind of dates it to sold back a few years ago....the last couple three years they've sold them without that screw in place. They were from closure of the Belgian factory supposedly....started selling them for $50 each in the bins twenty years back and just sold out this year....they had a bunch that took a LONG time to sell and were over $200 as the last leaked out. Typical Northridge sales tactic; sell low when there are many, high as they sell out.
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Old October 07, 2019, 09:46   #5
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Yes, it came with the rear screw with the slots cut in the threads and the blind hole in the end. I'm wondering why no Belgian markings, then, because we all know they loved stamping up their stuff.






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Old October 07, 2019, 13:14   #6
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Last few years here they've sold them without the impossible to find spreader screw in place. Back when they first showed up they had the attachment and spreader in them and were a LOT cheaper - still just dumped helter-skelter into bins...but nice and totally unproofed. I don't think there's a lot to worry about with them, the Belgians backed off on the proofs a bunch as they tried to keep the line alive...and packed up a bunch of good parts to sell off when they shut it down.
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Old October 07, 2019, 13:53   #7
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Yeah, it seems I remember them, but I'm gettin' old and find it hard to remember lately. I do have these to go with it, though.


NOS Belgian flashhider




Chocolate brown handguards





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Old October 07, 2019, 19:11   #8
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Now I see the chamfer on the top of the recoil plate.
Type 1
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Old October 08, 2019, 09:11   #9
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Northridge International Inc.

Back in the day Bernard the owner of Northridge had more than just Type two Belgium Para lowers, He also had Argentine Para type three lowers and he also had Type two Hidium Para lowers that had the pistol grip stud and without the stud.

Tony, When a Importer starts running low or out of an item that starts selling like hot cakes, You have no choice but to raise prices especially when you can't find it anyplace anymore.But now we are dating ourselves as to the GOOD old days of cheap prices and a abundance of surplus parts and accessories.
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Old October 08, 2019, 12:50   #10
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Note the 45 deg. chamfer on top of the recoil plate....is this indicative of an FN Type 1 ?

Type 1 & 2 have me confused !!
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It has the flat in the radius cut like the Type 1's have, not a simple radius. Pic of recoil plate still uploading, sorry.





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Old October 08, 2019, 13:30   #11
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Type 1. Look below that (on recoil plate) at the radius cut with the flat (vertical portion). This is prominent on a Type 1. On a Type 2, the flat is non-existent.




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Got it....gotta have some eyes for that.
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Okay you guys are giving me a headache. The photo below shows an Israeli type 2 (L) and an StG type 1 (R).

While the para lower in question does not have the same lower 45 deg cut (below the radius), it's still a type 2. Likely that cut was omitted for ease of manufacture? It does give the illusion of a longer 'flat' but that doesn't make it any less type 2.

Try mating it to a type 2 receiver to see how they line up, you'll see what I mean

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Old October 08, 2019, 19:54   #14
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3 lower types

and just to cover all the bases Imbel type 3 left---fn type 1 right



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Old October 09, 2019, 02:41   #15
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Now that I look at it and a Type 1, Art may be right. Hey, Art, send me a Belgian Type 2 receiver so I can check this thing......



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Now that I look at it and a Type 1, Art may be right. Hey, Art, send me a Belgian Type 2 receiver so I can check this thing......
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I've got that same para lower, and I can tell ya that it matches up to the top-end of my LMT type 2 Izzy HB
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Old October 09, 2019, 10:59   #17
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Proof markings

It depends on what countries requirements were back then. Yes back in the day they were for the Belgium Forces, But for future exports like I said, It all depends.

It's been explained in the past here on the Fal Files what is the difference of a Type 1 Type 2 and Type 3 uppers and lowers. The only one that can cause confusion is the type 1.5 South African Uppers and lower receivers.

Now you really want to see some confusion, I sold here on the Fal Files years ago two type 1 Hidium/Aluminium Rifle Lowers that originally came out of Nicaragua. Now I have four Hidium lowers, One came from Germany and is only marked S.R, That's it, No *. Still have one complete Type one lower Hidium with the recoil tube nut but has no * marking, Then the two type two Para lowers and only one has the * marking,No pistol grip stud, The others don't.

Now did FNH decide to cut cost, Or did a country decide other wise?
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Any fix for the para lowers without the pg stud, Lee? I have one like that....
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Let's see a pic, embatp. Is it simply a boss with a threaded hole where a separate stud would screw into the housing or is it a hole where the pistol grip stud used to be/is intended to be?


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Just a hole....the later one used a boss I think....Iíll get pics but later....just about out the door for the day.....
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Yeah, it seems I remember them, but I'm gettin' old and find it hard to remember lately. I do have these to go with it, though.


NOS Belgian flashhider

That combination device is the type use to replace the long (T48) flash suppressor.
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Light weight Para Lower

Leland, The pistol grip assembly Is a two piece system that is made of Steel, Took a magnet to it and it stuck like a stuck Pig. Inside the lower is a Straight line on both sides and curved on both ends with a center section that is metric threaded. The under side has threaded metric hole what would look like a Recoil tube nut that a Radius around the outer edge and has the same center cuts like the recoil nut across. I'll bet you could make about ten of these as God only knows how many people are missing these parts and have either Afro engineered something else versus the original parts.

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Old October 11, 2019, 15:25   #24
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I vaguely remember those. It seems they were "missing" the pistol grip stud, back then. Did I get some NOS studs from John and swedge them in place like the standard ones or ......................?

Now I know how Martin35 feels.....


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So a standard pg stem will work? It doesnít need to be hiduminium? What about other internals?
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That's just it, I can't remember. You could do some measuring and see if a standard one would work. Someone with a lightweight, para lower could tell us if a magnet sticks to their pistol grip stud.



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