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Goose52 July 22, 2017 15:33

The FN-49 – The Last Elegant Old-World Military Rifle – SECOND Edition
 
Originally published in December 2004, the SECOND edition of this book is in work. All of the original material will carry over, some of it edited/updated. New material will be added, page count will increase from 200 pages to over 300 pages, and images should increase from the current 300 to around 600. The Sniper Rifle chapter will increase from the current 19 pages to around 30 pages. The book will now be full color throughout (not counting original monochrome images). Publication is (now) forecast for “late-2018”.

For those of you that have read the first edition, do you have any feedback? Do you have any rifles, bayonets, or optics that fall outside of quoted serial number ranges? Do you have a rifle that has an interesting original feature that is not illustrated in the book? Any other feedback?

Regarding serial number ranges, I can always use more information on FN-49 sniper rifles and related equipment. Anyone out there have a Lux or Egyptian sniper rifle, or an OIP FN-49 scope, that did not participate in my sniper rifle surveys back in 2002-2004? More data is always appreciated and helps to refine observed serial number ranges for this type of equipment.

Feedback is welcome up until the time I hit a (TBD) cutoff date for submitting my copy to my publisher.

Thanks,

Goose / Wayne Johnson

NEW INFO:

Feb. 18, 2018: The publisher's web site now has a page announcing the availability of the book. That page will be periodically updated as we determine final page and image counts, release date, price, etc. The page includes a synopsis of some of the noteworthy additions to the book. There is a link on that page if you want to be notified of a "pre-publication" sale of the book. When you click that link, it will launch an email - just put "FN-49 Book" in the Subject line and ask to be put on the list.

The page is here: Publisher's Second Edition Info

SAFN49 July 22, 2017 17:55

I was contacted by a gentleman from Herstal the other day. He has several Lux OIP scope. He is looking to purchase a Lux sniper and is interested in the scope base numbers. He claims the scope bases were stamped with the scope serial numbers but they did not match the rifle serial numbers.

Since you have the most complete list of Lux scope serial numbers I would suggest that maybe publish a list of known numbers and try to the owners match scopes with base #'s.

There are maybe 100 of the scopes in the country and matching them up to bases would be great for all owners and make the rifles more correct.

So a correct rifle would be rifle serial # 7XXX, Scope base serial # 123, scope serial # 123, sunshade serial # 123, Case serial # 123, lens cover serial # 123.

Goose52 July 22, 2017 18:51

I have thousands of lines of data in my FN-49 data base (adding up all the rifles, optics, and bayonets) ... but have NO names. This was a commitment I made starting back in 2001 to protect everyone's privacy. This policy resulted in the submission of more data (some folks would not contribute if their name was being recorded); the purpose of which is to help tell the story of the rifle and equipment.

So, I haven't a clue as to who owns what...

brunop July 23, 2017 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose52 (Post 4454228)

So, I haven't a clue as to who owns what...


Which is exactly how these participants wanted it.


:bow:

Goose52 December 09, 2017 17:04

OK - another chance to report any feedback that you might have - I will be coming up on a cut-off for new info by February or so...

For those of you that have read the first edition, do you have any feedback? Do you have any rifles, bayonets, or optics that fall outside of quoted serial number ranges? Do you have a rifle that has an interesting original feature that is not illustrated in the book? Any other feedback?

ALSO - I can always use more data on Snipers - see: FN-49 Survey – Sniper Rifles and Sniper Scopes & Mounts

THANKS !

vmtz December 12, 2017 09:34

I have a first edition, but when can we preorder the second edition?

Vince

Goose52 December 12, 2017 10:24

Hi Vince - Publication will be sometime in "mid-2018". I'll post in this thread sometime next year if/when the publisher will take advance orders.

Goose / Wayne J.

vmtz December 13, 2017 09:32

Thank you!

Vince

GIshooter December 14, 2017 14:52

Yes, I'd be interested in pre-ordering also.

Goose52 December 14, 2017 15:11

Thanks for the interest - keep an eye out for this thread next year (and I'll PM anyone posting on this thread as well...).

For the first edition owners - still looking for any feedback...

ftierson December 16, 2017 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose52 (Post 4513596)
Thanks for the interest - keep an eye out for this thread next year (and I'll PM anyone posting on this thread as well...).

For the first edition owners - still looking for any feedback...

I'm in for the second edition too, of course... :)

Forrest

Goose52 December 17, 2017 07:57

Thanks Forrest !

Slow December 17, 2017 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose52 (Post 4454147)

For those of you that have read the first edition, do you have any feedback?









Goose / Wayne Johnson



if i had a first addition i would give feedback............:cry:

i have acquired an Egyptian (eagle), a Vennie and an AL rifle. nothing special that i am aware of, the AL has a very light "AL" imprint on the receiver.

definitely want to get a copy of the second edition.:D











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Goose52 December 18, 2017 17:03

No need to buy a 1st edition just to give feedback. Be patient and wait for the 2nd edition...;)

Ramone January 06, 2018 13:28

I have the 1st edition, and think its a great book for the FN49 owner and shooter. I would like to know more about the slings that were used, and cleaning kits supplied and used by the various countries.
The other think I would like to see is a real example of how the Argentines carried spare 20 round magazines for their converted 49. Looking forward to the 2nd edition!

Goose52 January 06, 2018 15:24

Good input - thanks!

I will have a bit more coverage on slings - based on those I've seen in period photographs. However, as I mentioned in the first edition, the problem with slings is that there could have been MANY slings used on a particular nations FN-49s and they could vary by armed service, by units within each service, and by era within the rifle's service life. Since I'm trying to tell the story of the rifle itself, I can't go too far down the sling bunny trail.

Same with cleaning kits and accessories. I will have a couple extra photos in the second edition and attribute some of the cleaning stuff to nations based on what I've found in period documents and manuals. But, the info on that stuff is even more limited than slings.

Lastly, on the mag pouches used by Argentina - that type of stuff is outside the scope of the book. BUT, if you visit the following forum in Argentina and search the forum for "SAFN", FN49" etc. you might find a photo or two of pouches attributed to use for FN49 20-round mags. This forum is heavy on militaria including web gear and you might get a kick out of it. I did quite a bit or surfing on this forum as part of my 2nd edition research.
1982 Militaria Forum


Thanks again for the input.

Goose / Wayne J

Ramone January 06, 2018 21:54

Thanks Goose. The pouches I use for mine are good old M1956 pouches, 2 mags in each, and they fit great. The only cleaning kit I have is the Belgian tube kit, and that's more for show these days.
I've tried to like the original leather slings, but even after treating them, they seem far too light for use with any of these rifles due to the weight they would have to support. It does look like most countries used about anything they could, and the Enfield sling seems to work best for me. I'll check out that forum to see if they have anything that would have worked for the Argentine 49s in the pouch department.

Timmo February 18, 2018 00:50

Belgian Congo FN49
 
Hi Goose I have just picked up an FN49 in 30.06 that I think is Belgian Congo stamped ( FP 1954 ) issue and is serial numbered 2730 in three places. It also has a side plate fitted on the left for a scope but has no scope or rings etc. Not sure if it helps your research but there it is ,,,, cheers Tim

Goose52 February 18, 2018 01:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmo (Post 4542912)
Hi Goose I have just picked up an FN49 in 30.06 that I think is Belgian Congo stamped ( FP 1954 ) issue and is serial numbered 2730 in three places. It also has a side plate fitted on the left for a scope but has no scope or rings etc. Not sure if it helps your research but there it is ,,,, cheers Tim

WOW! It is indeed a Belgian Congo rifle, and not only that, it's one of only 185 sniper rifles in that contract. AND, it is only the second Congo sniper that has been reported (the other is in South Africa). A VERY rare rifle.

I will have photos of the South African rifle in the upcoming second edition of my book to add to the existing coverage on the Congo sniper from the 1st edition. So, I'm covered for the 2nd ed. but it's good to find out that another of these rifles survived AND I can always use more data on sniper rifles.

Now, does your rifle still have the wood cheekpiece on the stock? Does the stock serial number match the rifle serial number? Do you know any of the backstory of the rifle - how it got to NZ, etc.? Can you send me a few photos of the rifle so I can compare features on your rifle with the South African rifle? Left and right side shots of the receiver area, a shot of the top of the receiver, and a shot of the cheekpiece (if present). I will PM you with my email address.

THANKS for the report and I'm looking forward to learning more about your rifle.

Timmo February 18, 2018 04:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose52 (Post 4542921)
WOW! It is indeed a Belgian Congo rifle, and not only that, it's one of only 185 sniper rifles in that contract. AND, it is only the second Congo sniper that has been reported (the other is in South Africa). A VERY rare rifle.

I will have photos of the South African rifle in the upcoming second edition of my book to add to the existing coverage on the Congo sniper from the 1st edition. So, I'm covered for the 2nd ed. but it's good to find out that another of these rifles survived AND I can always use more data on sniper rifles.

Now, does your rifle still have the wood cheekpiece on the stock? Does the stock serial number match the rifle serial number? Do you know any of the backstory of the rifle - how it got to NZ, etc.? Can you send me a few photos of the rifle so I can compare features on your rifle with the South African rifle? Left and right side shots of the receiver area, a shot of the top of the receiver, and a shot of the cheekpiece (if present). I will PM you with my email address.

THANKS for the report and I'm looking forward to learning more about your rifle.

Hi Goose52 there's not much of a story sorry.The last owner bought it 20 years ago at an arms auction that had a consignment of them for sale and they were cheap he said. It doesn't have the cheek piece or the scope but it looks as if it could have been select firing as there is a gap on the right side by the trigger.Also no serial number on the wood so it looks just like a normal FN49. I'll flick you some photos tomorrow ( night here ) and show some detail. The bolt and magazine are still to come.... cheers

Goose52 February 18, 2018 07:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmo (Post 4542949)
Hi Goose52 there's not much of a story sorry.The last owner bought it 20 years ago at an arms auction that had a consignment of them for sale and they were cheap he said. It doesn't have the cheek piece or the scope but it looks as if it could have been select firing as there is a gap on the right side by the trigger.Also no serial number on the wood so it looks just like a normal FN49. I'll flick you some photos tomorrow ( night here ) and show some detail. The bolt and magazine are still to come.... cheers

Thanks - too bad about the stock. All of the Congo rifles were originally selective-fire.

Looking forward to the photos.

Ramone February 18, 2018 09:14

Goose, any idea when you will be releasing the new book, and will it be available here on the files?

Goose52 February 18, 2018 09:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramone (Post 4542989)
Goose, any idea when you will be releasing the new book, and will it be available here on the files?

It's still too soon to know an exact release date - but mid- to late-summer is as close as I could say for right now.

I will announce the availability of the book here on FAL Files, and I will PM anyone that has posted in this thread as well. The books will be sold by my publisher and he has an on-line ordering system. I'll also let everyone know if/when he would accept pre-orders.

That www.fn49.com URL in my signature takes you to my publisher's web site.

It's close.....

Ramone February 18, 2018 10:38

Thanks! :smile:

vmtz February 18, 2018 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose52 (Post 4542997)
It's still too soon to know an exact release date - but mid- to late-summer is as close as I could say for right now.

I will announce the availability of the book here on FAL Files, and I will PM anyone that has posted in this thread as well. The books will be sold by my publisher and he has an on-line ordering system. I'll also let everyone know if/when he would accept pre-orders.

That www.fn49.com URL in my signature takes you to my publisher's web site.

It's close.....

Sweet!

Vince

Goose52 February 18, 2018 19:13

NEW INFO:

Feb. 18, 2018: The publisher's web site now has a page announcing the availability of the book. That page will be periodically updated as we determine final page and image counts, release date, price, etc. The page includes a synopsis of some of the noteworthy additions to the book. There is a link on that page if you want to be notified of a "pre-publication" sale of the book. When you click that link, it will launch an email - just put "FN-49 Book" in the Subject line and ask to be put on the list.

The page is here: Publisher's Second Edition Info

Invictus77 February 18, 2018 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose52 (Post 4542997)
I will PM anyone that has posted in this thread as well.

:whistling:

Goose52 February 18, 2018 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Invictus77 (Post 4543315)
:whistling:

You're "in" my man ...;)

Timmo February 18, 2018 21:01

FN49 pics
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose52 (Post 4542955)
Thanks - too bad about the stock. All of the Congo rifles were originally selective-fire.

Looking forward to the photos.

I have not picked up the magazine or bolt yet.

The bore is quite well used so I'm on the hunt for the right ammo for it ... any pointers appreciated

Sorry but I am having trouble loading the photos got them to photobucket but can't get them on here , flick me an email and I can send to you to show on here if you want ... cheers Tim

Goose52 February 18, 2018 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmo (Post 4543335)
I have not picked up the magazine or bolt yet.

The bore is quite well used so I'm on the hunt for the right ammo for it ... any pointers appreciated

Sorry but I am having trouble loading the photos got them to photobucket but can't get them on here , flick me an email and I can send to you to show on here if you want ... cheers Tim

Thanks - the link to your Photobucket account was in my email notification of your post. So, I've seen the 5 photos. The features on your rifle (not including the incorrect stock), match that of the Congo sniper in a museum in South Africa.

On ammunition, the .30-06 chambered rifles were regulated to use standard U.S. .30 M2 ball - so look for that or something similar.

Thanks again for reporting your rifle - it's ALWAYS good to get more data on the genuine sniper rifles...:cool:

Timmo February 19, 2018 05:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose52 (Post 4543375)
Thanks - the link to your Photobucket account was in my email notification of your post. So, I've seen the 5 photos. The features on your rifle (not including the incorrect stock), match that of the Congo sniper in a museum in South Africa.

On ammunition, the .30-06 chambered rifles were regulated to use standard U.S. .30 M2 ball - so look for that or something similar.

Thanks again for reporting your rifle - it's ALWAYS good to get more data on the genuine sniper rifles...:cool:

Hi Goose got the magazine and bolt today and the bolt is the same number as the rifle. Was there much difference in the stock that is on it and what the original stock should look like?
Also is there any data on what the scope and mount looked like , and although I know that the chances are very slim that anything like that will show up here in New Zealand ... you never know ... cheers

Goose52 February 19, 2018 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmo (Post 4543453)
Hi Goose got the magazine and bolt today and the bolt is the same number as the rifle. Was there much difference in the stock that is on it and what the original stock should look like?
Also is there any data on what the scope and mount looked like , and although I know that the chances are very slim that anything like that will show up here in New Zealand ... you never know ... cheers

The original stock was essentially identical to the stock you have now except it had a wood cheekpiece and some relatively complex inletting on the comb to accept the cheekpiece (it wasn't just screwed to the top of an unaltered comb). The scope used was the OIP 4x (similar to that used by Belgium) - I'm still trying to determine the exact model of OIP used by the Congo and hope to have that info before the 2nd edition goes to press. The last part of the equation is the scope mount (that clamps to the base that is on the left side of your rifle) - that was the "large-knob" military Echo mount (rare nowadays).

Spare sniper stocks are very rare (FN only made 750 FN-49 sniper rifles). Even the reproduction cheekpieces which have been produced several times over the years are rare as well. You could get lucky, especially if you focus on finding a stock or cheekpiece in Europe, in getting the rifle back to a configuration similar to the original. But you won't have the original serial-numbered stock, and you would probably have a Belgian-marked OIP scope instead of the correct Congolese scope.

If you perform a web search for "FN-49 sniper OIP" - you will find images of both the stock with wood cheekpiece, the Echo mounts, and the OIP 4x scope.

Timmo February 19, 2018 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose52 (Post 4543504)
The original stock was essentially identical to the stock you have now except it had a wood cheekpiece and some relatively complex inletting on the comb to accept the cheekpiece (it wasn't just screwed to the top of an unaltered comb). The scope used was the OIP 4x (similar to that used by Belgium) - I'm still trying to determine the exact model of OIP used by the Congo and hope to have that info before the 2nd edition goes to press. The last part of the equation is the scope mount (that clamps to the base that is on the left side of your rifle) - that was the "large-knob" military Echo mount (rare nowadays).

Spare sniper stocks are very rare (FN only made 750 FN-49 sniper rifles). Even the reproduction cheekpieces which have been produced several times over the years are rare as well. You could get lucky, especially if you focus on finding a stock or cheekpiece in Europe, in getting the rifle back to a configuration similar to the original. But you won't have the original serial-numbered stock, and you would probably have a Belgian-marked OIP scope instead of the correct Congolese scope.

If you perform a web search for "FN-49 sniper OIP" - you will find images of both the stock with wood cheek piece, the Echo mounts, and the OIP 4x scope.

Thanks for that info , I think this rifle will be an iron sight shooter from what I have just read. It has a nice trigger to it so looking forward to taking it on the range.The one thing I can get would be an original sling and looking at photos they had a number of different styles. I'll put on an Enfield webbing one until something more genuine comes my way .... cheers

Goose52 February 19, 2018 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmo (Post 4543621)
Thanks for that info , I think this rifle will be an iron sight shooter from what I have just read. It has a nice trigger to it so looking forward to taking it on the range.The one thing I can get would be an original sling and looking at photos they had a number of different styles. I'll put on an Enfield webbing one until something more genuine comes my way .... cheers

Well, Congo standard rifles have been observed in period photos with both that British-pattern webbing sling - as well as the FN-type leather sling. Belgium and Luxembourg used leather slings of the U.S. M1907 pattern on their sniper rifles - but I haven't a clue as to what the Congo might have used on their FN-49 snipers.

Texgunner March 20, 2018 13:15

I'm looking forward to the second edition. :smile:

Timmo March 29, 2018 15:34

30.06 Reloading Data For FN49s?
 
Hi again , I've been looking looking online specifically for any 30.06 reloading data for the military semi auto rifles / FN49s. Here in New Zealand the 30.06 was not adopted by our Defence Forces so it's not easy to get. I have scored 100 rounds of Lake City M2 ammo that I'll shoot and build up a reloaded supply so any links or pointers would help.... cheers.

Goose52 March 29, 2018 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmo (Post 4562769)
Hi again , I've been looking looking online specifically for any 30.06 reloading data for the military semi auto rifles / FN49s. Here in New Zealand the 30.06 was not adopted by our Defence Forces so it's not easy to get. I have scored 100 rounds of Lake City M2 ammo that I'll shoot and build up a reloaded supply so any links or pointers would help.... cheers.

In general, handloading the .30-06 cartridge for an FN-49 would follow the same guidelines as for an M1 Garand or other semi-automatic rifles:

-- Use a powder with a medium burning rate appropriate to the cartridge. For the .30-06, the classic starting point would be the various "4895" powders or others in that burning rate range (or whatever equivalent propellants you have in NZ). Powders that are too slow will give too high a pressure at the gas port.

-- Use a bullet weight in the 150 grain (9.5 - 10.0 grams) range. Heavier bullets, like 180 grains, tend to want the slower powders which leads right back to the gas port pressure issue.

-- Use a primer resistant to slam-fires, like the CCI #34 (again, I don't know what you have available in NZ).

-- Load the rounds into the magazine and feed from the mag - never drop a cartridge in the chamber and drop the bolt. This is to minimize risk of slam-fires.

OR, AN ALTERNATE METHOD is to turn the gas cylinder plug to disable gas operation, use reduced powder charges, and operate the rifle as a manually operated repeater. This gives more options on powder selection, and to some degree mitigates (but not eliminate) slam-fire potential.

The major powder/propellant companies in the U.S. all have on-line loading data. Since I don't know what components are available in NZ I can't really provide any links to this data but it's easy to find. Once you determine what components you have access to then you can visit the appropriate web sites.

Lastly, even if you plan to run the rifle with the gas enabled, don't go for max loads. By adjusting the gas, you will probably be able to run the rifle with the listed starting loads. As long as accuracy is acceptable at those velocities, no reason to go faster. You'll save money on powder and your barrel will thank you...;)

Timmo March 29, 2018 16:28

Thanks for that Wayne , I can get all that gear and have some of the powder you mention in my stock as well as CCI primers. One last question with the semis do I also crimp the bullets?.... cheers.

Goose52 March 29, 2018 17:47

I typically don't crimp as I usually have enough neck tension to resist bullet movement during chambering or from recoil. Not crimping may also extend the brass life a bit as well. However, if on the bullet seating step you're not feeling that you have adequate neck tension, then by all means crimp if the bullet you're using has a cannelure and the cannelure position will give you an acceptable OAL.

Also, I forgot to mention before, you'll want to full-length size but I haven't felt the need to use a small-base sizing die for FN-49 chambers.

Goose52 June 09, 2018 16:03

Just an update on the progress of the second edition. All 25 chapters are between 90% to 100% complete. Layout has started on several of the chapters and they look GREAT in the new full-color format. However, my publisher (Anthony Vanderlinden) and I are working some sources to obtain additional information for inclusion in the book. This will delay completion of several of the key chapters. As a result, we are now expecting publication to be delayed. Initially, I had forecast publication for “Spring 2018” – now we are probably looking at “Winter 2018/2019.” Have patience, it WILL happen…

This delay can still be productive however. As mentioned at the beginning of this thread, if anyone has feedback to the first edition, or have sniper rifles and equipment that you have not yet reported, there is still time to provide that info for review.

Thanks,

Goose

Ramone June 10, 2018 17:11

Thanks for the update Goose52. I'd rather wait awhile longer and have the additional information.

Wave Motion Gun June 14, 2018 20:20

Agreed. Totally worth the wait to go deeper into the FN-49 story.

In the meantime the 1st edition is enough to keep me from making any bad buys, which it has several times already!

imacoonass01 June 24, 2018 07:16

I would like a Signed copy, when the book comes out. Thanks.

Goose52 June 24, 2018 08:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by imacoonass01 (Post 4599318)
I would like a Signed copy, when the book comes out. Thanks.

Thanks for the interest in the book. As mentioned earlier, I will PM anyone that posts in this thread when the book is ready for sale by my publisher.

However, the best way to get "on the list" is to visit my publishers web page at the following link, scroll down to the bottom of the page, click the red banner for option A which will launch an email - then put "FN-49 Book" as the title and enter "put me on the list" as the message. My publisher will then contact you directly when he is ready to start taking orders.

https://www.fnbrowning.com/book-fn49...t-military-rif

THANKS !

bobofthedesert June 30, 2018 13:18

I'll take a copy!

vmtz August 22, 2018 07:24

Just checking in. Any updates?

Vince

Goose52 August 22, 2018 08:54

Hey Vince - thanks for the continued interest. Things are moving - but slower than I would like. I am still waiting on potential additional input that is holding up a number of the chapters. Just this week I started working with a new contributor who is generating some neat content for the Parts Breakdown chapter. There is other work in progress. I do not want to do a 3rd edition so I need to wait the get all info I can in the 2nd edition. Anthony Vanderlinden, my publisher, is also working on a bunch of projects and has limited time for the production of my book but he is doing a good job of multi-tasking!

Anyway, 9 chapters (of 25) are complete, including layout; other chapters are complete, and just waiting for layout. The new color format is FANTASTIC and in addition to quite a bit of new info, there are many more photos and other illustrations. As an example, for the 9 chapters that have completed layout, the page count has increased from 46 to 99, and the image count for those 9 chapters has increased from 77 to a whopping 210.

Anthony is still advertising a late 2018 publication date on his web site, but I think it will end up being in 2019. Regardless of the actual publication date, I think the 2nd edition is going to be worth the wait... ;)

In the meantime, there is still time for any input or feedback of the 1st edition. And, I can always use more data on sniper rifles...

Kevin August 22, 2018 21:26

2nd Edition
 
Please add me to the PM list. Thanks.

Kev

Ramone August 23, 2018 04:24

Good to hear Goose. I'm looking forward to this book, and have no problem waiting a few weeks/months so its complete.

garandguy10 August 25, 2018 14:54

I am interested in a copy of the 2nd edition too. Let me know when it is available.


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