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ironman0311 December 09, 2003 17:23

Tasco Super Sniper Users: A 10X Tasco SS Scope ???
 
Tasco Super Sniper Users: A 10x SS Scope Question?

I remember reading somewhere that the SIDE FOCUS Tasco SS were not "as good" as the originals?

Any enlightenment on that out there?

True? False?

If true ...Why???

Thinking of getting one for a friend for Christmas. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

yovinny December 09, 2003 20:35

Hey ironman, I havent heard anything about the side focus issue. I do have a couple of these standard scopes and can highly recomend then. 2-10x, 1-16x and 2 of the older/orig 6x44,26mm, Bright, clear, repeatable, hold zero well and seem to be really tough and hold up well, I've never had a problem with any of them. Only scope I'd probably buy at this point is a Leupold or one of these.
YOOO VINNY

OODA_Loop December 09, 2003 20:55

I also remember this and it influenced me to buy a rear-focus model. You could search here or some of the other forums. I think the side-focus model had some problems but I forget the nature - loose reticles?

I am very happy with my rear-focus SS 10x.

gates December 09, 2003 21:24

i have a 16x rear focus on a .50bmg bolt gun-works great. i think the probs with the side focus relate to heavy recoil specifically .50 recoil-the scope should be fine on a lesser caliber.


aj

19kilo December 10, 2003 05:32

2 things:

1st. I beleive that the original scope that was produced for the Navy contract had a rear focus. That was the scope that met the specifications that the Navy mandated.
IIRC the side focus came out AFTER the contract was fulfilled and that might be responsible because the side focus MIGHT not be to the same specifications as the rear focus as far as durability goes???

2nd. Has anyone ever figured out WHO is actually manufacturing these scopes? Tasco/SWFA are not actually making them, the rumors that I have heard is that HAKKO was the supplier...anyone know for sure?

KILO OUT

EMDII December 10, 2003 05:46

I'd heard Nikon, and that their current Tac Scope offering is their direct entry into the competitive market.

yovinny December 10, 2003 06:55

The orig Navy contract scope was the 6x44, 26mm and that is a rear focus, it's also not a milldot, they have a scale range finder and were available in black or green finish. The current ones on the 30mm tube with the mill dot, did'nt come out until a few years later. I also heard, from a Tasco rep when they first came out and only the 6x44 was available, that they were being made by Hakko in Japan. What the exact story is today, ???
YOOO VINNY

LarryLove December 10, 2003 13:02

I have nothing special to add to the discussion, but here's a little eye candy... http://www.geocities.com/lmm150/HBAR.html

10X, rear-focus model, Armalite scope mount. I say save a hundred bucks and get the rear-focus.

WJ-Polish Guy December 12, 2003 17:47

I just got one delivered in this very moment by UPS. I ordered it monday from SWFA.
It is amassive piece of eqipement I have to say....

As for manufacturer it has a lil sticker "Inspected by Kenko Optics, Japan"
That Kenko is Japanise optical company, I think I remember having their filters on my camera back in the day, but I didn`t know they make scopes. Or it is a parent company? Anybody...?

EMDII December 12, 2003 17:51

Some web-lore:
Quote:

Hi, I think I read somewhere in this forum that Kenko is the parent company of Hoya. Is there any similar relationship between Kenko and Crystal Optics filters? Also, how good are Crystal Optics MULTICOATED filters in comparison to Hoya or Kenko?

WJ-Polish Guy December 12, 2003 18:54

Well it appear that Kenko is biggest Japanise manufacturer of telescopes, binos and cameras. It is a part of some kind of optical conglomerate together with Hoya, Tokina, Nissin and something else.

Products are from top shelf. Love that kind of deals! Tasco hehe:wink:

Falcon December 12, 2003 21:30

Kenko and Hoya are subsidiaries of Tokina, all are reputable optics suppliers. Perhaps the lenses have ties to Kenko, as the Super Sniper scopes have only one multicoated lens, the objective, while the rest are single coated.
It is my understanding that the Tasco SS and SA Generation III are made by Hakko. Colt brand scopes for the AR-15, and the Trijicon ACOG, are theirs also. There are 3 major riflescope manufactures in Japan, Light Optical Works, Hakko and Asia Optical, which is actually in Taiwan. LOW makes B&L Elite series, by the way.

According to their website…Hakko has been supplying scopes since 1958 and exports many scopes to the US as OEM. A disturbing trend is for a company to start production of a new model in Japan. After the magazines review it and the reputation is established, manufacture is shifted elsewhere on the Pacific Rim. Particularly in PR China, as of late. hth’s


Hakko Precision Optical Co.

Is the Tasco name on the SS?

yovinny December 12, 2003 22:04

Very interesting read, thanks for the info.
On the 2 orig. 6x44 scopes I have, the Tasco name is on the rear bell. The 3, 30mm later ones dont have any name or writing on them. My newest, a 16x, was purchased about 3 years ago.
YOOO VINNY

WJ-Polish Guy December 13, 2003 09:49

Falcon knowing Japanise manufacturers I can`t imagine supplier to proof products of other company. Unless you can confirm Hakko being part of KHT group (KenkoHoyaTokina).
Kenko is manufacturer of binoculars, telescopes, lenses and etc. It clearly has technology to produce riflescope.
It is interesting assumption on my part given early problems with SS line of scopes and aleged Tasco`s instructions to the manufacturer, pointing to relative unexpiriece with military grade products.

Next, check Hakko like of 30mm LE scopes. There are no visible similarities with SS.

Another thing SWFA catalog claims that SS scopes have fully multicoated optics, where did you find info on SS internals being singlecoated?

As for markings, mine has no Tasco name. On the bottom of the tube, near the parallax ring is marked:

10x42
WATERPROOF
SS10x42
AM
JAPAN

:)

yovinny December 13, 2003 12:03

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It is interesting assumption on my part given early problems with SS line of scopes and aleged Tasco`s instructions to the manufacturer, pointing to relative unexpiriece with military grade products.

WJ, what's up with this ?? I've never heard of any problems with the orig Navy contract scopes. Only problems or complaints I ever heard of were with the early 30mm line when it first appeared.
As much as SWFA or anyone else want to push the "Navy Contract" point, it seems BS from where I sit. The Navy Contract was only for the earlier scope that isent produced anymore.
Here's a pic of 2 of the orig scopes and a 20x 30mm that I havent mounted up yet. There very different scopes.
YOOO VINNY

EMDII December 13, 2003 12:07

There may be no ablsolute answers short of thumbscrews on someone at SWFA. That said, it's apparetn tath some technology transfer must've occured, even if the scopes weren't identical to the original Navy contract. That transfer has to be a good thing for us, as the many generally positive experiences with the line has shown.

Unless we have something new on this, we may never know for sure.

ironman0311 December 13, 2003 12:17

I can get a 10x SIDE FOCUS Vendor's "Demo" (Slight ring marks) for $299 which is the same price as a NIB REAR focus. Same warrenty on each.Just wondering which would be best?

The ring marks do not bother me.

As long as the performance is the same why not get the S/F for the same price as the rear? (other than it being a Demo?)

WJ-Polish Guy December 13, 2003 12:22

Quote:

Originally posted by yovinny
[i]"It is interesting assumption on my part given early problems with SS line of scopes and aleged Tasco`s instructions to the manufacturer, pointing to relative unexpiriece with military grade products."

WJ, what's up with this ?? I've never heard of any problems with the orig Navy contract scopes. Only problems or complaints I ever heard of were with the early 30mm line when it first appeared.
As much as SWFA or anyone else want to push the "Navy Contract" point, it seems BS from where I sit. The Navy Contract was only for the earlier scope that isent produced anymore.
Here's a pic of 2 of the orig scopes and a 20x 30mm that I havent mounted up yet. There very different scopes.
YOOO VINNY [/]
Vinny I was refering to the 30mm scopes. It is military grade product no doubts in my mind.
I didn`t say military issiue, that is a different story and you are right that they push the contract issiue, but hey whatever sells right:wink:

As technology transfer goes, I do not know ED. Contract do not made technology aviable, it just set user (military) requirements (mil spec) for scope and then test products to make sure they stand to it...

yovinny December 13, 2003 12:48

I absolutely agree with Ted, we'll probably never know all the facts. Any experience or testing that added to making these better, is great for us, the end users.
WJ, I thought you were refering to the early Navy Contract scopes, my wrong.
We need to take anyones "hype" with a grain of salt, these are no exception.
I still think they represent a great value, no matter who makes them or how we got here. I own a total of 6 between old and new models, on my gun's that's only surpassed by Leupold made scopes. That's pretty high praise from me, for what it's worth, if anything.:biggrin:
YOOO VINNY

Ironman; I dont have any of the side focus ones, I'm not crazy about another side knob on the scope, but if it's guaranteed, go for it. Let us know how you like it.

OODA_Loop February 11, 2020 21:21

Holy Necropost, Batman.

17 years later, I took my rear-focus mildot 10x42 to the Whittington Center in New Mexico for a 3-day, long range shooting course. FN SPR in .308, 178gr Hornady, Badger rings, SiCo Harvester on Area 419 mount.

Scope performed well out to 1,200 yards; around 1,000 yards, it was clear I was pushing the scope to its limit, especially as other shooters had 5-25 and up, 34mm tubes etc. but it can be done.

Jarhead504 February 12, 2020 09:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by OODA_Loop (Post 4839972)
Holy Necropost, Batman.

17 years later, I took my rear-focus mildot 10x42 to the Whittington Center in New Mexico for a 3-day, long range shooting course. FN SPR in .308, 178gr Hornady, Badger rings, SiCo Harvester on Area 419 mount.

Scope performed well out to 1,200 yards; around 1,000 yards, it was clear I was pushing the scope to its limit, especially as other shooters had 5-25 and up, 34mm tubes etc. but it can be done.

You did good Brother OODA Loop.

Jarhead

yovinny February 12, 2020 09:52

Good to hear....17yrs later, mine are also all still getting along just fine.
One of my original 6x navy contract scopes on my work truck FAL got dropped and aquired a serious smash to the angled section of tube for the front bell a while back,,,but is still performing as it should....
These still rate as Leupold quality in my book.....:)

tac-40 February 12, 2020 16:56

My X10 mounted on my FN PBR still working great. I routinely exercise it out to 600 with 168's and allows me to keep sub-MOA all day long. Range just extended out to 800 yards, so we will see what it can do then.

Snake Bitten February 12, 2020 17:30

I purchased a SWFA SS 10×42 a couple months during their black Friday sale, very similar scope. Still waiting on a Bassett mount for M14 clone, so still in the box :sad:

https://rifleopticsworld.com/swfa-ss-10x42-review/

John Crusher February 12, 2020 20:25

I have a 10x42SSM model that came in a white box and said Tasco. I've had it for over 20 years and it is a rear focus/side parralax scope and scratched up and its been on all manners of rifles and dropped many times (even now when I took it out of the box !) and looks very used but I wouldn't trade it for a new Leupold Mark 4 and I have 2. As I understand , Tasco produced some darn fine ones and then quality degraded just before SWFA purchased them . Mine is a very early one and I paid a princely sum of $89.95 for it and still have the receipt.
I purchased a 16X42 and a 3-15X42 ffp (last year in September) and they were Demos and they are excellent scopes , and cheap too !

K. Funk February 12, 2020 20:48

I have a 16X SS on my Anzio .50 single shot and it has held up well. The first one on it had an unfortunate experience when Deltaten' s Tikka blew up and put a chunk of the receiver through the scope body. The reticle was fine, I probably could have kept shooting.

krf

mp February 12, 2020 21:20

I have several SS’s and love them.

I also enjoy reading through these necro-threads posted during the heyday of Fal Files and seeing old members who have since disappeared.

STG_58_guy February 12, 2020 23:27

I had no idea Tasco ever marketed anything but junk.

parallaxbill February 13, 2020 05:13

I have a RF SWFA 10X SS that is several years old and works fine. I only regret not spending the extra $100 and getting the SF version.

Great scope though. I have mine on a 24" HB .223 set up.

parallaxbill February 13, 2020 05:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by STG_58_guy (Post 4840504)
I had no idea Tasco ever marketed anything but junk.

I have a couple of early Japanese made Tasco's that still hold up well. But I've had many others that were crap.

lockjaw February 14, 2020 12:04

SWFA's SS 10X scope is a clone of a US military contract Bausch & Lomb 10X scope Bausch & Lomb 10x (62-1040) that was found on early M25 rifles. I have one of these on a clone (unfortunately, not in front of me at the moment).

The SWFA and B&L look very similar (I have compared side by side), but the B&L is a more robust optic.


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