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younggun February 20, 2009 22:15

Shoulder holster recomendations please
 
Ok my CCW should be coming soon, I only have 2 pistols right now a FN-HP-SFS (Hi-Power) and a Sig P226. I am considering various forms of carry. I am looking very intently at a shoulder rig. I know it is completely useless for summer unless I am wearing a suit, which I do on a regular basis. So what is a good holster, I am on a budget, however I do understand the law of you get what you pay for has not been revoked.

bykerhd February 20, 2009 22:43

I'm not much of a fan of shoulder holsters. But, the Galco horizontal rigs are probably one of the more versatile and useful of the bunch.

They are modular and you can build around the basic harness.
Watch them on E-Bay. You can sometimes get them for at affordable prices. Sometimes.

Jailguard February 20, 2009 23:11

I'll second Galico I had a Miami Classic for a 1911 for a long time it was the only holster that seemed to fit me right.

ggiilliiee February 21, 2009 13:06

shoulder rigs suck ...they chaffe my nipples ..hehe ..slower than molasses ..try a sob ....that way you can hold off someone with your weak hand and pull it without being stopped like when trying to get it out from the front of your body ..someone could stop ya from doing that with a front riggin ....my bersa in the back pocket would come out so much faster ...and thats kinda the point ...just opinion ;)

Para Driver February 21, 2009 19:01

I like the Galco cross draw, with the half harness.. yes, I can wear it in the summer under a lose shirt.

0007 February 21, 2009 19:56

Never been impressed with the horizontal shoulder holster design. I'm pretty thin and every one I ever tried on with a large frame pistol printed. I'll like a nice old Biachi X-15 series myself.

charles isaac February 22, 2009 09:34

Shoulder rigs seem to be the best way to carry a large pistol, but I only use vertical.

Horizontal rigs do cause your pistol to be pointed at people you do not intend to shoot and to some people, being flagged with a weapon with a chambered round is being flagged, whether it is in someones hand, finger straight and off the trigger, or hanging in a holster under someones shoulder. Just sayin.

Deltaten February 22, 2009 10:10

Make sure it's one that has a high resale value; so when ya sell it, you'll not lose yer shirt ;)

More minus' that pluses. They have a rather limited use "window". Not sayin' ya *shouldn't* try one; just don't become so enamored of one to attempt continuous wear. DAMHIK :D

If I absolutely, positively hafta carry that 5th or 6th piece OB. I'll slip into the one remaining SH I have; a self-produced upside-down rig for my 4" m-66. ONly *so* much room on teh belt, yanno ;)

W.E.G. February 22, 2009 12:04

Quote:

Originally posted by 0007
Never been impressed with the horizontal shoulder holster design. I'm pretty thin and every one I ever tried on with a large frame pistol printed. I'll like a nice old Biachi X-15 series myself.
Them's can be BIG holsters.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...via/harryh.jpg

Remember, this guy make the M-1 look like a Mini-14.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...rino011109.jpg

fastfreddy February 22, 2009 14:26

The Galco tuxedo shoulder holster works well with a suit and a PPK. It's a "Bond" thing.

Para Driver February 22, 2009 22:32

Quote:

Originally posted by charles isaac
Horizontal rigs do cause your pistol to be pointed at people you do not intend to shoot and to some people, being flagged with a weapon with a chambered round is being flagged, whether it is in someones hand, finger straight and off the trigger, or hanging in a holster under someones shoulder. Just sayin.
yep, took some time to get used to that... but the rig has a thumb strap over the firing pin, and with a series 80 1911...

fry February 23, 2009 03:44

im with ggggiiilliiiiee, shoulder rigs blow.
you will spend as much on a kick ass shoulder rig as a keltek32 and and a kydex.

JAB75 February 24, 2009 20:27

I use an IWB Milt Sparks Summer Special with my 1911. Comfortable, concealed, and easily assessable. My personal favorite.

-JAB75

URBAN ASSAULT February 25, 2009 09:25

I sometimes carry my Para-Ord P14 in black leather #56 with nickel hardware from these good folks...

http://nelsonleather.com/product_inf...roducts_id=210

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../aenelson1.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../aenelson2.jpg

I liked them because they let me come in to the shop so the harness could be sized to fit me perfectly and the quality of the finished product was top-notch.

The super wide shoulder straps really distribute the weight of a big auto nicely, and I would buy one from them again.

I also went with a double-mag carrier on the weak side to balance the weight out.

The only addition to the holster I would ask for is keepers on either side that attach to either your belt, or to the waistband of the pants themselves to keep everything from flopping around.

-urban

chet February 26, 2009 16:31

Hated every one I have ever used, tried, bought,etc. Unless central casting is looking for a detective from the 70's, you won't like it either. While I will admit that a Burns Martin Lightin has a certain panache, I still hate them as practical items. Just my two cents.
Kydex or a quality leather belt holster are the way to go. My Galco Royal Guard has carried a full size 1911 for many types of pants and shirt/coat combos with no worries.

Chet

4x401 March 03, 2009 11:52

Having carried concealed for almost 30 yrs. I can honestly say it`s a major PITA to carry a handgun of reasonable caliber, regardless of the mode of carry. Out of all modes I can attest to the shoulder holster SUCKING the most. I`ve tried all the major manufacturers and the Galco Jackass sucks the least, still I haven`t used a shoulder rig for years. I personaly prefer a horizontal SOB rig or some kind of IWB behind the hip or cross draw. Usually I keep my G-21 in the center console of whatever I`m driving and tuck it under my belt behind my hip when I get out for quick stops. If I`m going somewhere to be on foot for awhile I`ll put on a holster. I GARRANTEE any sholder rig you buy will live its life in drawer or be sold after very limited use.....

URBAN ASSAULT March 03, 2009 12:01

But a shoulder holster does shine if you spend a lot of time behind the wheel.

It makes it much easier to get to the gun when you need it, and it isn't digging into your hip, or waistband from the pressure of the car seat.

A shoulder holster is far from perfect, but it does have it's place in my gun closet years later. I do use mine, and see no reason to sell it.

-urban

hagar March 03, 2009 12:58

First you need a smaller carry gun, like a Kahr CW9 or a Glock 26. Then you need to rethink the whole holster idea. The best holster is no holster..

The reason I am saying this, is that it is a pain to keep taking a holster on and off. I normally carry a car gun (Sigma 9mm) in a holster next to my seat, and a carry gun that I can slip under a sweater or shirt when I stop at the mall, Home Depot, gas station, whatever. Sometimes I will just put my Keltec P32 in my pocket.

On the other hand, I would not recommend messican carry to anybody unless they are 100% comfortable with their weapons handling techniques. You do face serious consequences if you do something wrong.

It does work for me, been carrying that way since 1978, and never had an accident. A few close calls, like pulling out my Star Firestar from my belt, and it was cocked and unlocked - it has a hair trigger courtesy of Derek Martin. Another time I was in a motorcycle accident with my G26, lost the front and rear sight and it got scuffed up pretty bad, but no discharge. But it is fast, and the 3 gangbangers that followed me out of an AZ Walmart with robbery on their minds had no idea where it came from!

The only holster I carried and liked, was a belly band holster, but it is relatively slow. I did wear a holster when I was hunting coyotes and such, but I despise open carry in public, even where legal. Just my personal opinion, because in South Africa it will get you killed.

younggun March 03, 2009 22:35

The reason I was looking at the shoulder rig is, I drive 6 or so hours a day. I agree with the a smaller pistol may be in order, however it is a matter of economics in that issue.

motosapien March 04, 2009 19:30

Quote:

Originally posted by younggun
The reason I was looking at the shoulder rig is, I drive 6 or so hours a day. I agree with the a smaller pistol may be in order, however it is a matter of economics in that issue.
You might look into a cross draw style holster.

Andy the Aussie March 08, 2009 21:21

They have there downsides and are not my favourite styles of holster either but if you must a plain old Bianchi X-15 style is usable.

Andy

fal_762x51 March 10, 2009 02:11

I have a PA-63 and 1911 GI version on my CCW. I tried both in a shoulder holster and it sucked. I found (to me) that an IWB holster is much better.

rustyswarf March 13, 2009 21:28

I am not a fan of shoulder holsters for several reasons. If you have to draw in a hurry, you have a very narrow zone to stop the movement of your weapon to hit the target. If you strong-side carry as you draw you have from the feet to the head to stop your weapon and get off a shot. True, a hit in the ankle might not be a fight stopper, but it may allow you the precious time needed for a second, better aimed shot. If you feel you must have a shoulder rig, make sure it will allow you to re-holster the weapon with only one hand. The day may come when you cannot afford to let go with the other hand to holster the gun and the situation has changed to where the gun is not needed. If you don't believe that will happen--it will!
Find you a copy of Bill Jordan's "NO SECOND PLACE WINNER" and read it. Then read it twice more. This man will educate you.

TNAndy January 08, 2020 11:12

Eleven years later....
 
Let me start with apologizing for resurrecting this old 2009 thread.... :eek:

But has the science of shoulder holsters improved any in 11 years? Galco seemed to be the consensus back then. Is it still?

I have never carried in church, but I'm seriously considering it following the recent second church shooting in Texas. (For that matter, I'm also considering taking some security guard training.)

The reason I'm asking about shoulder holsters is I can't see having a gun in my pants when I'm sitting in a pew. I EDC in a Sneaky Pete, but I think that would look very odd under my coat. (I really like the Sneaky Pete for carrying anywhere else I'm going.)

Although it's a somewhat informal church, I always wear a coat and tie. I'll probably have to buy a coat one size up to make room for the pistol.

If it makes any difference to the rig, I will carry my Springfield XD(m) 9mm Compact. To keep the size down, I'll use the 13 round mag in the pistol. I have the little pinky grips mounted on all my 13 round mags. I could put one or two 19 round mags on the other side. Vertical carry seems to make the most sense to me because I'll carry 13+1.

Any and all helpful suggestions are welcome and appreciated.

If all you've got is flaming, let me save you some time: From what I hear, "Shoulder holsters suck."

Timber Wolf January 08, 2020 14:53

Reading this thread, again, after more than a DECADE got me to thinking. Dirty Harry had no problem with a shoulder holster. And he was packing some serous iron too!:D. Too have been thinking about shoulder holster carry, ankle carry, and cross draw under some circumstances. Hard to beat IWB strong side but it sucks from seated.

yellowhand January 08, 2020 16:18

My "Jackass" shoulder rig is still working just fine all these decades later.:biggrin:

Sparks Six pack,,,all is good.:shades:

Got to keep rockin that Miami Vice five o-clock shadow,,,loafers and no socks,,,white linen oversize jacket look,,,,hiding that Jackass rig.:biggrin:

Snake Bitten January 08, 2020 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowhand (Post 4827108)
My "Jackass" shoulder rig is still working just fine all these decades later.:biggrin:
:

+1, mine too, plus some cheaper priced copies with nice/decent leather available now...

TNAndy January 09, 2020 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowhand (Post 4827108)
My "Jackass" shoulder rig is still working just fine all these decades later.:biggrin:

Sparks Six pack,,,all is good.:shades:

Got to keep rockin that Miami Vice five o-clock shadow,,,loafers and no socks,,,white linen oversize jacket look,,,,hiding that Jackass rig.:biggrin:

Nuts. Just looked at the GalcoGunLeather website and the only Springfield models the Jackass rig accepts are 1911s. Same goes for the improved vertical holster. Back to square one. :(

yellowhand January 09, 2020 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNAndy (Post 4827345)
Nuts. Just looked at the GalcoGunLeather website and the only Springfield models the Jackass rig accepts are 1911s. Same goes for the improved vertical holster. Back to square one. :(

What model for the Miami Classic,,,AKA,,,the Jackass rig,,,are ya looking for?????


Seems to be made for everything??????

https://www.amazon.com/Miami-Classic...oulder+Holster

The only real difference in the current miami classic and the old Jackass,,,seems they made the one shoulder strap a little wider over the carry shoulder.

My original came in for the 1911,,,but I added a holster for Glocks and even a Smith 19 four inch :facepalm: with speed loaders on off side vs magazine carriers.

TNAndy January 09, 2020 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowhand (Post 4827370)
What model for the Miami Classic,,,AKA,,,the Jackass rig,,,are ya looking for?????


Seems to be made for everything??????

https://www.amazon.com/Miami-Classic...oulder+Holster

The only real difference in the current miami classic and the old Jackass,,,seems they made the one shoulder strap a little wider over the carry shoulder.

My original came in for the 1911,,,but I added a holster for Glocks and even a Smith 19 four inch :facepalm: with speed loaders on off side vs magazine carriers.

First, the Range Safety Officer in me wants vertical carry rather than horizontal. Are Jackass/Miami holsters flexible that way?

Second, the pistol I want to carry is a Springfield XD(m) Compact. I'm sure any 3.8 inch barrel XDM holster will do. It's certainly possible I missed something, but when I checked the Galco website, the only Springfield options for the Jackass holsters were 1911s. None of the options were XDMs.

yellowhand January 09, 2020 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNAndy (Post 4827443)
First, the Range Safety Officer in me wants vertical carry rather than horizontal. Are Jackass/Miami holsters flexible that way?

Second, the pistol I want to carry is a Springfield XD(m) Compact. I'm sure any 3.8 inch barrel XDM holster will do. It's certainly possible I missed something, but when I checked the Galco website, the only Springfield options for the Jackass holsters were 1911s. None of the options were XDMs.

I believe so,,,to answer the first question. Seem to remember seeing folks with the barrel down models. Which rip out the front end.

Something like this one

https://shop.opticsplanet.com/bianch...ntent=Products

With some model hand guns,,,sometimes,,,ya just got to locate something close,,,that when tried,,,it fits,,,but not made for a specific model.make.

Had a friend complaining he could not get a shoulder holster rig he wanted for his BHP,,,:wink: reminded him,,,a 1911 holster would fit,,a little loose,,but a nip here and a nip there,,,worked out well for him after a quick trip to holster and boot maker local here.

Invictus77 January 09, 2020 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowhand (Post 4827489)
I believe so,,,to answer the first question. Seem to remember seeing folks with the barrel down models. Which rip out the front end.

Something like this one

https://shop.opticsplanet.com/bianch...ntent=Products

With some model hand guns,,,sometimes,,,ya just got to locate something close,,,that when tried,,,it fits,,,but not made for a specific model.make.

Had a friend complaining he could not get a shoulder holster rig he wanted for his BHP,,,:wink: reminded him,,,a 1911 holster would fit,,a little loose,,but a nip here and a nip there,,,worked out well for him after a quick trip to holster and boot maker local here.


I seldom use it, but I've got one that looks just like that link, but without the front strap (mine is 30+ years old). Pistol is held by spring tension. It was bought and made for a 4" Python. A 1911 fits just fine as well however. Yup, get something like that in roughly the right size and it should work fine.

tac-40 January 09, 2020 19:22

I wore one for short period of time for work and disliked it a lot. Now that I got that out of the way, have you considered a cross draw holster? Worn on the belt in a reverse appendix carry, still covered by the jacket, and doesn't bang up against the seat back. Plus you can cant it to fit your draw techniques. Lots of good Kydex holsters with good retention out there. And they are relatively inexpensive.

Redoubt January 09, 2020 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jailguard (Post 2512648)
I'll second Galico I had a Miami Classic for a 1911 for a long time it was the only holster that seemed to fit me right.

Yup, I as well.

yellowhand January 09, 2020 22:27

Shoulder holsters have their place and time,,,but,,,95% or better of the time for me,,,one Glock,,one 1911, BHP,,,etc,,,with one magazine,,strong side thumb break holster riding on a decent belt suffices.

Sometimes,,,the leg holster for the little J frame 38 is called for.



Anything else happening or a real concern going on in my life,,,I want my rifle and LBE.:biggrin:

TNAndy January 10, 2020 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowhand (Post 4827564)
Shoulder holsters have their place and time,,,but,,,95% or better of the time for me,,,one Glock,,one 1911, BHP,,,etc,,,with one magazine,,strong side thumb break holster riding on a decent belt suffices.

Sometimes,,,the leg holster for the little J frame 38 is called for.



Anything else happening or a real concern going on in my life,,,I want my rifle and LBE.:biggrin:

[chortle] Well, yeah, but the goal here is to NOT throw the congregation into a full blown panic and have them stampede out the doors and windows.

yellowhand January 10, 2020 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNAndy (Post 4827694)
[chortle] Well, yeah, but the goal here is to NOT throw the congregation into a full blown panic and have them stampede out the doors and windows.

My congregation wants to see another sunrise,,,,so,,,they can figure out,,pretty smart folks,,,that force and proper force,,,is often called for in matters of survival.

Our one remaining,,,I'm terrified of guns,,,,,after a 10 minute conversation,,will be firing a hand gun for the first time in his 72 yrs on this planet,,,at around 1330 hrs on,,,21 Jan 2020

Survival tends to decrease silly notions in people heads about a whole host of issues.:wink:

Road killed rabbit becomes a gourmet meal to a billionaire that has not had a meal in 10 days.

hueyville January 11, 2020 09:45

Galco Miami classic for semiauto and the Vertical Shoulder System for large wheel guns. Nothing like a 6" 44 mag under your arm for comfort.

TNAndy January 12, 2020 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowhand (Post 4827771)
My congregation wants to see another sunrise,,,,so,,,they can figure out,,pretty smart folks,,,that force and proper force,,,is often called for in matters of survival.

Our one remaining,,,I'm terrified of guns,,,,,after a 10 minute conversation,,will be firing a hand gun for the first time in his 72 yrs on this planet,,,at around 1330 hrs on,,,21 Jan 2020

Survival tends to decrease silly notions in people heads about a whole host of issues.:wink:

Road killed rabbit becomes a gourmet meal to a billionaire that has not had a meal in 10 days.

Yeah, well, I'd bet if you (or anyone) enters the sanctuary holding a rifle, even the folks who know you will exit posthaste.

A concealed, holstered pistol is a horse of a different color.

yellowhand January 12, 2020 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNAndy (Post 4828727)
Yeah, well, I'd bet if you (or anyone) enters the sanctuary holding a rifle, even the folks who know you will exit posthaste.

A concealed, holstered pistol is a horse of a different color.

Ya got all of this,,from;

"""Anything else happening or a real concern going on in my life,,,I want my rifle and LBE.""

Which, if you look back up above,,,,I separated out from the comments about CC handguns,,,by dropping it down a few spaces,,,meaning,,,,,my rifle and LBE,,,is my true go to weapon over any handgun,,,,if,,,,time and circumstances allow.

OF COURSE,,,,,a CC carry handgun is the very best option in any large diverse gathering of people with different ideas and concerns about
safety and security.

Said another way,,,,Paul,,,why do you carry a concealed pistol???
Answer,,,,,,,,because if I gun up with my rifle and LBE,which is my go to weapon of choice,,,,,it would upset the old ladies and children.;)

hueyville January 18, 2020 23:50

In about half the churches I work with am able to convince them to pull two of their LEO members to take turns sitting out of sight but in a centrally located area wearing body armor with an AR 15 slung for use. Try to find an area they can enter sanctuary, get to children's church or Sunday School rooms quickly as most are doing two to three services and people spread out across entire building from about 9:00 am till 12:30 pm.

I took one of my old IPSC unlimited race guns and totally rebuilt it in 10mm with a 3.25 pound trigger, tritium sights and three chamber compensator with all EGW titanium small parts. Carry a 5" 10mm as my backup. Had done this same thing with another IPSC unlimited pistol in 45 acp but decided I needed a pistol that had faster lock time and delivered ultimate controlable punch. Considered my 460 Rowand but have to run it slower due to heavier recoil. When in church I have a new body armor setup based on a covert NIJ 3a vest, 8"10" NIJ 3 Dyneema rifle plates and 5.5"11" Hexar flexible NIJ 3 rifle rated side panels. If able to keep rifle hits out of heart, lungs, liver and spleen then have a fair chance against 90% of the morons I see at public range with an AR or AK even with my 10mm compensated race pistol against a rifle and a moron. Besides, have God for my wing man and if I become primary pesky main target rest of security team can pour fire on the perp unmolested and calmly.

TNAndy January 20, 2020 17:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowhand (Post 4828746)
....it would upset the old ladies and children.;)

Um, yeah, my point exactly.

TNAndy January 20, 2020 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by hueyville (Post 4830755)
... LEO members to take turns sitting out of sight but in a centrally located area wearing body armor with an AR 15 slung for use....

This is a small town and a small church. To my knowledge, we don't have any LEO members. If we did, I suspect they would be armed and I wouldn't have a problem in need of a solution.

yellowhand January 20, 2020 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNAndy (Post 4831373)
Um, yeah, my point exactly.

Attitudes are beginning to change.
My folks are about or were,,the most anti gun folks in the country,,now,,its changing,, and quickly.
Threats and survival will do that for people.:rofl:

Its just a damn sad commentary that its come to this for everyone.

Snake Bitten January 21, 2020 19:08

Check out www.armadilloholsters.com/ I own one, their jackass rig, GTG, IMO..

Edit: they have an ebay store too, no association...

TNAndy January 26, 2020 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Bitten (Post 4831799)
Check out www.armadilloholsters.com/ I own one, their jackass rig, GTG, IMO..

Edit: they have an ebay store too, no association...

I appreciate the suggestion, but Armadillo does not appear to offer a model for the Springfield Armory XDM Compact. If I had a Glock, I'd be in high cotton.

Bawana jim January 31, 2020 21:31

This is a pretty good product and it wears really comfortable. You can add tie downs for $20 by Galco and they hold your pants up too. I have worn this in the cold weather under my jacket but could wear it in the summer wearing just a shirt.

Down fall is a plus in the other direction, it's not heavy leather so it's doesn't ride you and gouge you. It takes two hands to holster the gun but I can live with that. One spare mag carry.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/957727327

raubvogel February 04, 2020 15:06

I take those holsters are great if you are being attacked from the rear.

TedKennedy February 06, 2020 12:55

I like the Air Marshall. If you're active, it sticks with you pretty good.

Snake Bitten February 10, 2020 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Para Driver (Post 2513419)
I like the Galco cross draw, with the half harness.. yes, I can wear it in the summer under a lose shirt.

+1, just ordered cross draw holster from Craft holsters for S&W 6906, selected free shipping, made in Slovakia, will arrive next full moon :facepalm:


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