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STG_58_guy
July 02, 2017, 10:40
Turns out I was wrong. And it seems to be a race thing.

Any players here? If you don't know the game skip this thread because it won't make any sense at all.

So I've been playing for about 40 years. My grandmother, uncle, mom and dad all played and they taught me. Then I got hooked up with a deer camp in my twenties and the guys all played, so that's been going on for a few decades. I probably play 20 or 30 games a year. All these folks played 4 handed, double deck, with no cards passed, and forced play.

They also basically used the same bidding conventions. For those who don't know, you bid to name trumps in Pinochle and you communicate to your partner the contents of your hand in the bidding process. So certain opening bids, or the size of the increase over a previous bid, means something. This table talk is absolutely critical to successful play.

A few weeks ago I downloaded an online Pinochle app and I've played a hundred games or so online against rated players. I've achieved "expert" status in the rating system. But I've been pissing some of my partners off because they use a different set of bidding conventions.

Here is the interesting bit. There are tens of thousands of people playing Pinochle on line. I was surprised to discover that 60% or so of them are black. It seems that white folks and black folks use different conventions. At least the white folks who taught me to play and the black folks at this site differ. I also learned that Pinochle is popular in prisons. Here I thought it was an old white deer hunter thing.

There are no standard, published conventions for bidding. In fact, there is no single standard set of published rules for Pinochle. There literally hundreds of variations of the game. I need help learning these different conventions.

The online software doesn't lend itself well to asking for help from the other players. Further, it's awkward trying to ask "Chi.twn.killa" and "$$$.G.DOG.$$$" for help because I'm a white boy whose never done a stretch. I should add that killa and G.DDOG are brilliant players. They (I made those screen names up but you get the idea) are a lot better than me or anyone I've played with.

Anyone familiar with prison style play? Or tournament play? I don't suppose many of our members are felons. Anyone know of an online Pinochle forum?

I'm curious if anyone here even plays. If so, drop a jack and send it back.

Bawana jim
July 02, 2017, 10:51
Played a lot when I was young and had no money. It's what most folks I knew did for entertainment. It's all counting suit so you know if you can pull your bid. We kept the table talk to a minimum but cheated as much as fun would allow.

If we had four people then pinocle was the game, any less and it was cribbage. As we got older few of us had time for pinochle but the establishment of who is the best cribbage player has been made.

KoKodog
July 02, 2017, 11:19
preferred Canasta & Euchre



Euchre is a much faster pace game

nwobhm
July 02, 2017, 11:29
Been playing for 40yrs. Haven't played partners in 30yrs. Been playing single deck "cut throat" exclusively for those 30. No longer remember the bid sequencing. Always found 2 & 4 hand boring, double deck is too many cards. Is there a casino running cut throat Pinnocle tables? If so, what's the buy in?

3 handed Cribbage is a fantastic game too.

STG_58_guy
July 02, 2017, 13:21
Played Euchre when I was younger. Never played Canasta.

Play lot of cribbage. I'd say it takes at least 1000 games of cribbage to determine the better player, assuming both are established players. Got a 29 hand once. Still lost that game :rofl:

In 50 years, I'm not sure any of these games will be around. Kids don't play cards. I doubt either of my sons could rifle a deck.

An example of the problem I'm having:

I'm the dealer. Bid goes pass, 50, 51, and I have 20 meld so I bid 53. My partner thinks I meant something other than 20 meld but I have no clue what. I can't ask him during play as that would be "illegal" table talk. Then you have to concentrate like crazy to keep track of 20 trump, 16 aces, and who's played what. As soon as the hand ends I've forgotten whatever question I was going to ask and there is a new hand dealt and the whole thing starts over.

I'm going to read up on Canasta.

STG_58_guy
July 02, 2017, 13:30
Been playing for 40yrs. Haven't played partners in 30yrs. Been playing single deck "cut throat" exclusively for those 30. No longer remember the bid sequencing. Always found 2 & 4 hand boring, double deck is too many cards. Is there a casino running cut throat Pinnocle tables? If so, what's the buy in?

3 handed Cribbage is a fantastic game too.

I don't know of any. I don't go to casinos very often. There are Pinochle clubs and tournaments - maybe there is something local. I don't know if many people play up here in Minnesota.

One of my hunting buddies was saying that cut throat was more fun, and he's the best 4 hand player I know. Among the living anyway. Gramma was pretty tough as I recall.

Riversidesports
July 02, 2017, 13:54
Cards are mostly a thing of a bye gone era buddy, something to pass time before TeeVee, da' Web, etc.

On the Convict angle...
yeah they are passing time too
some of the most brilliant Chess players today are ex Cons as well. They have the time to take these things in
just wasted time.

Nope, these things won't vanish, any given time we have millions incarcerated

STG_58_guy
July 02, 2017, 14:17
Cards are mostly a thing of a bye gone era buddy, something to pass time before TeeVee, da' Web, etc.

On the Convict angle...
yeah they are passing time too
some of the most brilliant Chess players today are ex Cons as well. They have the time to take these things in
just wasted time.

Nope, these things won't vanish, any given time we have millions incarcerated

One of the best chess players I've come across was an ex convict. Never did beat the guy. I played some Russian dudes who smoked me too.

I suppose you're right about the prison angle. Until they give convicts computers anyway.

sjohnson
July 02, 2017, 14:40
Until? LOL, the South Dakota prisons are in the process of giving tablets to all the inmates, with access (severely limited) to the internet.

Essentially, it's a real-time tracker with commissary links and access to formerly printed prison resources, as well as one or two news sources (guessing something like yahoo or MSN).

Riversidesports
July 02, 2017, 14:42
One of the best chess players I've come across was an ex convict. Never did beat the guy. I played some Russian dudes who smoked me too.

I suppose you're right about the prison angle. Until they give convicts computers anyway.

Ha !
This State was training Convicts in Cobal in the late 70s
bunch of corps were involved.
By the 80s it was mainstream in MNDOC, lifers debugging software for firms under State contracts.

There is a massive waste of brain power nationwide

Riversidesports
July 02, 2017, 14:56
Until? LOL, the South Dakota prisons are in the process of giving tablets to all the inmates, with access (severely limited) to the internet.

Essentially, it's a real-time tracker with commissary links and access to formerly printed prison resources, as well as one or two news sources (guessing something like yahoo or MSN).

well thats new

In most fed joints inmates can buy access to send emails through terminals now. Understand phones and such get contracted thus millions are made via the corrections industry and paid to industry, not the tax payer