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V guy
May 17, 2014, 14:46
The moral compass varies by the person....God knows that. Soddom and Gomarrah and Las Vegas tell us that temptation is everywhere.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11k-falls-brink-armored-truck-n-y-article-1.1275670

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/154107/

http://centralny.twcnews.com/content/news/473325/money-falls-out-of-armored-truck/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/26/armored-car-and-100000-mo_n_514381.html

Above are 4 examples of money that fell off armored trucks. In two of the cases, cash is still missing.

THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
It MAY happen to you.

Some of my friends said that they would keep the money, go to the casino and play for free, maybe find an expensive prostitute and live it up.

Me, is not my money, and I SAY.... I'd give it back.
Operational verb is... "I say," I would.

I will not play the lotto because I might win and I figure karmically I would owe all those millions of people a buck who played too.

They say god will provide.....
What would you do?

The moral compass, if "loose" like my buddies, may lead you further astray in difficult times, and you may not get the divine help you really need, if you fail the ez test.....

Might lead one to steal or cheat or commit fraud....

Plenty of dead and jailed Drug dealers, and bad Politicians like the Va former Gov, the present Va Gov, William Cold Cash Jefferson, Obama, the IRS personnel who lie cheat and steal, the rest of em....like Barney Frank, Maxine Watters, and thousands who cheated on the subprime mortgage scandle including the wall st thieves.......all failed the ez tests early on and look at'em today.

What does it matter to have a personal moral compass in good working condition? Who cares?
Like Hillary said..."they're all dead what does it matter who cares if I am good or bad?"
Sleep is an overrated thing?

How about an animated discussion on morality and its practical applications. Who gives a rats ass anyway?

I once cheated in a car race and ran a bigger engine than I should have....she never ran right and blew up good........
A little bit later on I was surprised when I got some help from above that I probably did not deserve, but I learned my lesson from that time on for sure, and keep trying to pay for it and allow the secret system of justice and reward to work.

homelandprotector
May 17, 2014, 16:11
Hell yeah I'd keep it.

:cool:

RG Coburn
May 17, 2014, 16:35
I found a bunch of Schwan's frozen food that fell out of one of their trucks once. I didn't "turn it in". I ate it. Was that morally wrong?

thatguy
May 17, 2014, 16:47
I found a bunch of Schwan's frozen food that fell out of one of their trucks once. I didn't "turn it in". I ate it. Was that morally wrong?

Nope, it's salvage. You're good.

EinheitElf
May 17, 2014, 16:48
Well out of an armored car in labeled bags...give back minus a "return fee" hell it broke open....
if I find any in bag case,etc, no markings,I'd,nothing to indicate owner...possession rules....finders keepers... No way would I blindly turn it in..even if no one claims and supposed to go to you... You never get it..that is my take.....

Also..armored car co. Is insured as side note....

357ross
May 17, 2014, 16:50
These are fun questions to think about, but at the end of the day there is a much better chance of being stuck in the head from an asteroid than there is of finding money like that.

Randall
May 17, 2014, 16:55
Money falling off the back of an armored car gets turned in immediately.
Money found in a duffel bag with a pound of coke and an Uzi...not so much.

Illurian00
May 17, 2014, 17:10
"I will not play the lotto because I might win and I figure karmically I would owe all those millions of people a buck who played too."

duh ??? Ya' lost me on this one ???

0302
May 17, 2014, 17:24
i knew some fellas that found several backpacks filled with maryjane while surveying on an indian rez close to mexico. they told the bp and got the grilling of a lifetime.

martin35
May 17, 2014, 18:08
If you are satisfied with who you are and want to stay that way are you will probably return the money to the rightfull owners or custodians,,, we have to live with what we do in our lives for all of our lives.
If you disagree you might as well go all out and go John Dillinger who didn't wait for money to fall off a truck,,, theft isn't just a matter of opportunity,,, I figure everyone knows that.

Thorack
May 17, 2014, 19:08
Well,

Right now just thinking about I would return it because I would feel guilty as hell that it might be some poor schelbs money that needed it way more than I do.

It would be like that scene in Its a Wonderful Life. I would be thinking that its some poor guys money that has other folks depending on him.

Thorack

V guy
May 17, 2014, 19:34
From the news stories, I think it happens somewhere in the nation, about once a year....this bag in Chicago was killed on impact...

http://policelink.monster.com/news/articles/136641-police-hunt-for-missing-100k-after-money-bag-falls-from-armoured-truck?comment_page=3

shlomo
May 18, 2014, 07:43
Money falling off the back of an armored car gets turned in immediately.
Money found in a duffel bag with a pound of coke and an Uzi...not so much.

Best not. Just sayin...

http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/100greatestcharacters/photos/46.jpg

Nick H.
May 18, 2014, 08:19
If your decision to keep or not keep "found money" is based solely on the possible good or bad consequences to yourself, then I will argue you have no moral compass. If your thought processes center on what is best for society, then you are at least beginning to develop a sense of moral reasoning.

If it is moral for you to keep the money, then is it also moral for the company to try to recover the money? Can you both be morally correct and be in conflict?

"The money is covered by insurance" is a very weak argument. My car is insured against theft, but I still consider it immoral for someone to steal it.

RG Coburn
May 18, 2014, 10:38
So a bunch of money falls out of a truck,and it falls off a cliff,or into some inaccessible spot.What happens? Do they just replace it with more cellulose composition debt notes? Do they charge it to whoever drove the truck? Can he just print up a bunch of IOU notes on his HP printer to replace them? That's the thing of it. The "money" in and of itself is based on immorallity,it is a lie,a fascimily.

V guy
May 18, 2014, 14:38
They are still confiscating any cash that turns up from DB Cooper...........

TRANSAM 79
May 18, 2014, 14:50
Loosers weepers finders keepers.

Root66
May 18, 2014, 15:07
If the "elected" and "moral" leaders of this country (most of which vow allegiance to God)can steal, I figure I can too.

Brett
May 18, 2014, 15:24
It depends on where it came from. If unknown, it's mine. Think of the indebtedness we all now have in national debt from bailing out the banks with tarp before you easily decide to give it back. There would be no discussion groups involved in my decision.

shlomo
May 18, 2014, 15:26
If the "elected" and "moral" leaders of this country (most of which vow allegiance to God)can steal, I figure I can too.

I don't use other people's behavior as a gauge for my own. Particularly politicians.

I figure I've been around long enough to know whether my actions are right or wrong. Even if they don't go with the majority.

Randall
May 18, 2014, 19:30
Best not. Just sayin...

http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/100greatestcharacters/photos/46.jpg

:winner:

HighRatMaster
May 18, 2014, 21:32
Best not. Just sayin...

http://www.empireonline.com/images/features/100greatestcharacters/photos/46.jpg

Most convincing argument yet. :skull:

Root66
May 19, 2014, 16:05
I figure I've been around long enough to know whether my actions are right or wrong.

I believe that the majority of people who do wrong know they're doing wrong but simply don't care.

chet
May 19, 2014, 17:13
I came across a field of unattended vehicles today and it was evident none of them were mine. I didn't find myself in a moral quandary as to whether or not I should take one for myself. Strange that so many seem to be mystified by this concept.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/P3030027ParkingLot_wb.jpg

Here is young man who was equally unfazed by a similar "quandary":

http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/05/15/boy-scout-finds-bag-containing-4500-in-cash-does-what-boy-scouts-do/

V guy
May 20, 2014, 11:03
Aha!!....this is right where I wanted this philosophical discussion to end up...............

If you want cash.... but CHOOSE not to rob banks, as opposed to someone who will absolutely NEVER consider robbing banks.....where is your moral compass pointed?
You are capable, but do not do it....does that act of "choosing," make you a flawed, bad person?

Is the man who chooses "not to" do wrong, because he is God and law fearing, and does not want punishment............as opposed to plain old, unaware............ a worse person?

I thought about it for years..........people who choose not to do wrong as opposed to those, naturally "good," what ever that is. Mom was one of them, but WOULD law down the law........

Who is better? Who is right and who is wrong?

I literally thought about it for years........I have come to the conclusion that an animal will only eat when it is hungry and take what it needs......... few kill for sport. Cows, Elk...buffalo... bears...all of them.

Man, however is different from animals because he KNOWS the difference between good and evil, and has to choose each day how to conduct his actions.
WWII Soldiers and Bomber Pilots in war or their bosses who choose the targets...........this is cerebral, good thinking on display, for good or evil purposes. Germany Attacked and we responded; fundamental.

Fear of Police and God, has some significant effect upon everyone as intended; and that is not bad.

Rules...animal have no rules....just a pecking order of the strongest wins.

Rules were made not by man or animals, but it is said that they came from God, who gave man the intelligence to figure it out.

Cartel Murderers and drug dealers are pretty crafty humans, and have to choose their path.

IRS/Dems after the tea party opponents follow a devised human path too.

That choosing power, is not bad..it reinforces the idea that as a human, you are step above animals and have to choose each day............ using free will.
It sorts the good from the bad...know a man from his actions and not his words.

He, who does not consider anything crass, beyond the next bowl of cereal, will likely either be amoral, and not under stress.... and then maybe a certain victim of someone, who considers him a mark or "dead meat."
Car Salesmen?
Hungry, desperate people in the ghettos in third world countries?

So, I have come to realize that he, who realizes the rules, and as a human has to CHOOSE between good behavior, over bad behavior, is the higher more evolved being.

Survival/desire may enter the equation, everyday. We have to choose.

While being entirely capable of "hostile" behavior in life, the man with a strong moral compass "chooses", discriminates, and become survival oriented..... many times, self preservation judgemental........... we evaluate the actions of Obama everyday............and the strong moral compass person, will only use his ability to survive, and protect himself, and his country, and not steal, or harm others, BY CHOICE.

Only man can choose to commit suicide or to starve himself............and to commit murder.

The person who has no guile, to do overt robbery, theft and murder, and there are plenty of them...may not actually been in a desperate position to have to choose,.................. and only when you choose NOT to do crime, out of fear of God, the Police, jail, or Moral considerations............ are you now in "the zone," as God wants....awake.


I also found that the number of people who misunderstood the "Golden Rule"--"do unto others as you would have them do unto you," is amazing.

A real example, from my life....when I quote "the golden rule."

Many, many, people say;

"so you want to kill and hurt people- first?"
When you say; "no I want to treat people as I want them to treat me,--in a good way!!........... they generally say, "that is presumptuous and I will not do it or be trapped into THAT idiotic idea, by you or anyone."..i.e. they choose to reserve the right to shoot or steal from you, if they dislike you.:eek::eek:

Hold onto your wallet.......... they may be IRS, Dems or Obama people.

TRANSAM 79
May 20, 2014, 11:40
What does God have to do with it?You can have morals and not believe in a God.I believe in a christian way of life but not that Jesus was the son of God or that there even is a God.I also dont believe in a devil.Evil and being good are in humans.We make that choice every day,all day.If I choose to do the correct thing its because I want to.I dont need to fear God to do the what is corrct.

V guy
May 20, 2014, 12:02
The belief in "the rules" ......societies old rules... and consciously following them, or not, due to free will, is the point, that directs the individual's moral compass.

There are no men automatically good...they ALL have to be schooled by parents, school, and society....... a product of human instruction...........and then all choose their actions with free will...only the animal does not choose, but just reacts.

The needle may waver, but choosing not to do evil or steal, must be a conscious decision by a human, as is the stealing.

Having to choose, IS a higher level function.
Judges, scientists, shoppers and Jurors, do it all the time

The bear who ate Timothy Treadwell and Girlfriend was just automatically being a bear, no ill will or intent, or evil killing.
Treadwell, however, choose poorly.

TRANSAM 79
May 20, 2014, 12:16
I had 2 Pirana fish that live in harmony for yrs.Then I got 4 and put them in a tank.one by one the evil fish killed 2 out of 3.I took the last serviver and put him in a tank buy himself for a couple yrs.I decided to duplicate the 2 fish tank.I put them together and within a day the evil fish killed the other one.Was this Pirana Evil ? I since put others together with no ill results.I believe this schooling fish was just Evil.I believe animals and humans are the same.They know good from bad.My Rotty will do things wrong and knows it.There are some thing just born Evil.

V guy
May 20, 2014, 12:18
Animals cannot be evil, or choose to be evil.........only men can.

chet
May 20, 2014, 12:39
What does God have to do with it?You can have morals and not believe in a God.I believe in a christian way of life but not that Jesus was the son of God or that there even is a God.I also dont believe in a devil.Evil and being good are in humans.We make that choice every day,all day.If I choose to do the correct thing its because I want to.I dont need to fear God to do the what is corrct.


If Jesus was not the son of God, then he was a stark raving lunatic because he ran around telling people that very thing all the time. All of his teachings are based on his assertion that he and his father had (have) definitive control of what constituted good and bad, right and wrong, evil and righteous. He openly scolded people who thought that morality could be deduced through some other means……because, he asserted, it would eventually lead to conflicts with the morality he preached.

"A christian way of life" is probably not what you think it is, because according to Christ, you are committing the only unforgivable sin.

Skilter
May 20, 2014, 14:19
Let me throw a wrench in this...

About 2 years ago around Christmastime, my wife did a good deed. She founds someone's wallet. It only had about 20 bucks in it and she returned it to the store clerk. She did her good deed... hopefully, it all worked out but we never knew. She deserved some good "karma" ...

Later that weekend she is checking out at a register. There is a $20 bill on the floor, nothing with it... just a $20. She picks it up and hands it to the clerk and says "someone dropped this as it is not mine". The clerk was "uh, ok,... thanks" and we walked out of the store.

When we got outside I said... "WHAT WAS THAT?" with a big grin on my face. You just gave away $20 bucks! She said no I didn't, it wasn't mine and God will pay me back in good karma one day! My response was: "HE JUST DID!... Two days ago you returned the wallet of an unknown stranger with about $20 bucks in it... Could you consider the fact that the $20 bucks you just gave away was your "Good Karma Repayment"?

Well... That got her brain swimmin' around like a catfish trapped in a trunk.

I believe that everyone has a moral compass... it is innate. Some people just go off the rails and go evil. But, in my opinion... We all start around 6 years old as a kid that knows right from wrong. It's from there that society, enviroment and/or ourselves take over.

RT
May 20, 2014, 15:29
If it ain't mine I will try to find the owner. If no owner i think who can use ????? More than me. Then give it to them. I belive. God will judge me and I have done a lot of wrong. I need to do a lot more good. All my wrong got me a broken back and a divorce. And now I am poor according to the gov. But I have breath a apt to keep me dry and twenty dollars for food. So I say I am rich. I also have this phone so I can come here to the inter web to be with y'all

TRANSAM 79
May 20, 2014, 17:10
"A christian way of life" is probably not what you think it is, because according to Christ, you are committing the only unforgivable sin.
I do know.5 yrs of Catholic school taught me.We are animals.just like every other animal.They have language.Its called body language.

V guy
May 21, 2014, 09:58
The Moral compass keeps us pointed generally, "up" .

The Obama administration, and most libs, like Va Gov Terry McAuliffe.... a Clinton Campaign Director...and a man who made millions on the Global Crossing Scandle, (based on insider trading), but who Clinton would not prosecute.....is still doing quite well....so much for instant karma....maybe it is the delayed karma at work?

When whole segments of society--say 75++ million, voting US democrats, and every member of the Obama administration, throw their moral compass away, under the bus to steal steal steal and break the laws and Constitution over and over............ just like they are starving street people from Chicago or Brazil, what does it say?

So why bother with doing what is right?

Hell, 100 million Americans say you are nuts to restrain yourself from stealing like them.... and just like most of the worlds 3rd world population, who would kill you for your shoes.


It then becomes a very personal matter, and one of protecting yourself from what has become a war with those who want what you have.............. and who are getting more legal help, at getting at you and your stuff, and in crushing your traditional beliefs, beliefs that that come from religion.

They want to turn YOU, into them.....amoral, immoral, theft ridden, and an animal like predator/killer... a primitive drug using caveman who takes what he wants from those who have, without conscience. They ARE following their God.........


THAT is what the dems are all about until they establish their Cuban like society and you become an ant in the hole in the ground.

A Moral Compass is like having a concealed carry weapon. It can and may save your life from unknown, and previously ignored dangers, especially at the end of life, should there be a God, and Jesus.

Brett
May 21, 2014, 13:38
"...the animal does not choose, but just reacts." is wrong. My dog "chooses" to not piss on the furniture, eat my cat, drag food from the counter, and many other things because his "god" would make him pay. A Raven, when confronted with more food than he can eat, will call other Ravens to come eat. Such benevolence from a bird? If he ate and left the others hungry it would be survival of the fittest so it must be self sacrifice and benevolence. But animals can only "react"?

thatguy
May 21, 2014, 14:09
"...the animal does not choose, but just reacts." is wrong. My dog "chooses" to not piss on the furniture, eat my cat, drag food from the counter, and many other things because his "god" would make him pay. A Raven, when confronted with more food than he can eat, will call other Ravens to come eat. Such benevolence from a bird? If he ate and left the others hungry it would be survival of the fittest so it must be self sacrifice and benevolence. But animals can only "react"?

http://www.livescience.com/24802-animals-have-morals-book.html

Nick H.
May 21, 2014, 14:10
I will try a concept on you guys and see if anyone understands my thinking......

I believe that if we knew for absolute certain that our good deeds would be rewarded and our bad deeds punished, then we would behave ourselves for selfish reasons. I will return the found wallet because I KNOW I will be rewarded accordingly. The purely selfish person would strictly follow the rules for his own selfish reasons.

It is only when a person does the right thing doubting a reward exists that we can truly test his moral compass. Doing the right thing because it IS THE RIGHT THING rather than expecting a reward is the true indicator of a just man or woman.

Take a look at the work of Lawrence Kohlberg:

http://faculty.plts.edu/gpence/html/kohlberg.htm

He studied the concept of morality across various cultures and came to the conclusion that it is not always WHAT you do, but WHY you do things that tells us how strong your moral compass is.

I have thought that if God does exist, then possibly he makes himself a bit scarce in modern times simply for the reason that evil people would surely follow the rules to save themselves if they knew for certain justice existed. Only when there is doubt about justice do evil/selfish people do evil things.

V guy
May 21, 2014, 14:50
If you were God and a troupe of recently dead people walked in, and you had to judge-- after "pre screening" by Old Pete, and he said "all had good records, so far"............

Some had good records, because of fearing god, (although there is not proof of him)...... a few had a REAL FEAR of divine retribution based upon the old testament..........rather than the joy that comes out of being good and honest naturally......... of that 9.... 3 had personal experiences with God and had proof...so were good because of the "spilled beans"....and 3 absolute dummies, who could no more steal a coin than a car....

Would you send the "9 cravens", fearful of god, AND good, but really, in their heart of hearts- still criminal assholes, capable of god knows how many foul crimes, to hell, because they were hypocrites, and "KNEW THE PLAY" and ACTED (falsely), accordingly?

Or, would you say "that they are knowledgeable about punishment for crimes" and know the rewards for selfless acts, such as Volunteer Fire Dept, military service, and doing the right thing at all times............... all the while, fully capable of being bad, because of their human intelligence and guile... but choose good?

God allegedly threw 200 angels out of the boat of heaven to the lower worlds because of their hedonistic ways, including Lucifer and his buddies and girlfriends...........

So you now have a problem....with what to do with these dead people.

Classifications:
1. good, through and through---white bread, never swore a word... a child of sorts.
2. good, because of FEAR of god---possibly of questionable character?
3. good, because they like the feeling of doing good and fighting evil---that means they are adrenalin junkies--very, very suspect, but good to have on the ground as people--
4. good, but really bad... because they died too soon...untested
5. soldiers........died in combat....did good.......but untested over a lifetime
6. Marines..................

It is tough being God; Reward and punishment.

The truly "good man" is therefore a difficult definition and really does not exist--a man must choose to be tested for reliability....fear of punishment is good.

God has them all in his world...

It is said that there are many mansions and that Jesus went to prepare a place for you...........the one YOU DESERVE, because of who you are....a little bit of hell and more tests??? or a little bit of heaven???....or as many "comedians" say..........'I wanna go where all my friends go!"

Valhalla? No malls?, just adventure, who wants to sit around and pray all frikkin day in heaven, anyway.
Many want to go where Marines go.............killem all............let god sortem out.

So the moral compass is a general direction.....except for the democrats and commies, for their compass is either missing, broken, smashed, never installed, removed........ and the hole bondo'ed over.......
They follow the theft guy, the bad guy, who advocates the whole enchilada of "if it feels good, do it, and take it".........what's god gonna do anyway--"WHAT DOES IT MATTER THEY ARE DEAD?" so sayeth Hillary.

I say, be good, no matter what your motivation....it all counts.

EinheitElf
May 21, 2014, 15:42
I guess in terms of morals,ethics,etc I can be a bit 'binary'

- if I find something and there is NO WAY to find the owner-- keep it
-if find something and there is an address or name,etc... return it or try to.. if there is a possibility of a bit of reward or finder fee/return fee.. fine cool good..why not get good kudos of some sort.. now 'ransom' is not right in my book.
-rapists, child molesters, sex offenders, serial murderers.......death , repeat offenders cannot be rehabbed, dont give a shit what the system claims...
-politicians.... basically your 'platform' is your application, you get into office and 'flip, I cant do that ,etc crap..' FIRED thrown out like anyone else at any other job, 'you lied'.... no recall,no pension,nothing/Banned from public office.- caught in illegal crap, take bribes,etc, = worthless POS and dragged by the heels and tossed out and charged/prosecuted=BANNED for life from any other political office.......... pull the BS'do as I say ,not as I do...' =OUT and BANNED from ANY office,no pension,beni's..... and on and on.....
-bad LEO's ,plenty of examples... NOT ABOVE the law, do bad crap on purpose, intentionally, 'habitual' in terms of whatever is done..... charged and prosecuted.....(otherwise I have no issue with 'payback' if the blue line/union is just pulling the 'have to support them no matter what' BS)-this may start happening if current trends continue regarding events...
-- worthless gangbangers,drug dealers, 'knockout game players', 'thugs', etc..... hey reap what they sow....
----- I guess that is a small insight......

anyway enough for now... sure I have raised a few eyebrows.....

basically this system does not instill enough 'list of consequences' for certain things and the fooked up legal system is so screwed ,I have been on jury duty so I have seen how the deck gets stacked and the 'judged by jury of 'peers' has NO MEANING-my 'peers' would be fellow members on here as an example..

a lot of what we call morals nowadays in this society are what 'they' deem to be appropriate for 'us' , you as an INDIVIDUAL express you PERSONAL viewpoints as a FREE living being, can be 'labeled' as 'whatever' and face society's BS definitions....
sorry I veered......

Nick H.
May 21, 2014, 20:03
V Guy, if I were God, I would hopefully be smart enough to put together a just system which enabled everyone to learn, advance and progress. The system described by most Christians has some problems (in my ever so humble opinion).

It seems unjust for a supreme being to create man and make him capable of sinning, then punish him with ever lasting torment for doing exactly what God made us capable of. I believe that some people are genetically predisposed to violence and criminal behavior. They didn't ask to be that way, God created them that way. Why punish such an individual with eternal torment for doing exactly what he is programmed to do? If I owned hundreds of cats and punished each of them for the duration of their lives for acting like cats, most people would consider me to be cruel and unjust, yet the God described by most Christians appears to do a similar thing with mankind.

I have doubts about mainstream Christian interpretation of the bible. I don't claim to have a better interpretation, I just question the validity of most organized religion.

TRANSAM 79
May 21, 2014, 21:02
If there is a God Id say its an Alien being.Who found a planet that would support life.Made humans in its image and is sitting back to see what happens.After this life we go to another dimension(afterlife).:bigangel:Im sure it cant be happy with what has turned out.Maybe we are not ready to join the planets of peace.We may never be ready because of our self distructive tendencies.

chet
May 21, 2014, 22:54
If there is a God Id say its an Alien being.Who found a planet that would support life.Made humans in its image and is sitting back to see what happens.After this life we go to another dimension(afterlife).:bigangel:Im sure it cant be happy with what has turned out.Maybe we are not ready to join the planets of peace.We may never be ready because of our self distructive tendencies.

Question answered. Thanks. :rolleyes:

MontanaGrant
May 21, 2014, 23:26
I can't speak for others, but I apply strict standards to me on "real" and "morale" crimes. I am pretty loose on "stupid" crimes, AKA crimes that aren't, but are by LAW.


Example:

I can't count how many times I have returned an extra $10 or $5 in change the clerk gives me. I have gotten in arguments because they can't comprehend that I am giving BACK AN EXTRA amount and not demanding more.

Have found various things, turned in stuff with known owners. Have kept a few things, such as a a lost 100 round box of new Winchester 12 gauge shells.....no name and I sure ain't going to start asking people if they lost them because......yeah...you're going to get honest answers there.

What burns me is people who do right when people watch, then backstab and steal when no one can see them. Worse than people who steal and cheat in front of everyone.


A good "god fearing Christian", had ordered two crates of oranges from our bulk food order? one box was bad/rotten and he complained and demanded a refund on BOTH boxes. It was given and he laughed for weeks how he got a free box of oranges.....for $35 he was willing to become a total jackass and in my opinion, every bit as bad as the man who steals $500 from the local gas station.

TRANSAM 79
May 21, 2014, 23:40
Question answered. Thanks. :rolleyes:

It makes more sence than any other possability.WE are not alone

TRANSAM 79
May 21, 2014, 23:47
A good "god fearing Christian", had ordered two crates of oranges from our bulk food order? one box was bad/rotten and he complained and demanded a refund on BOTH boxes. It was given and he laughed for weeks how he got a free box of oranges.....for $35 he was willing to become a total jackass and in my opinion, every bit as bad as the man who steals $500 from the local gas station.
Some of the biggest A holes I work with are "God Fearing Christians"That go to church every week.Maybe they should go more. I had a "born agian " priest (or what ever they are)tell me that the Islam religion was not a real religion.:facepalm: WTF dude

chet
May 22, 2014, 09:14
I waited tables in college. It was better money than I every thought I could have earned doing that and a great experience over all. One day, I came in and took over a section of tables between meals. One of the tables had a pile of pocket change on it, evidently a tip to the previous waiter, who had either overlooked it or ignored it when he finished his shift (it was a nice place and pocket change was quite obviously a sign that customer hadn't been happy with his waiter). The oncoming manager said "Chet -just take it. XXX just left it there." I told him I wasn't touching it. He looked a bit baffled so I explained it to him: taking that money would mean having to admit I took someone else's tip to anyone that asked about it in the future. Simply put, my name was worth more than .35 cents or whatever it was and the cloud on my reputation that came with it.


The older I get, the more I realize that I need to apply that axiom to more than just picking up stuff that doesn't belong to me. People sell off their good name for all kinds of stuff besides money.

TenTea
May 22, 2014, 10:38
This time of year, I would be happy with a morel compass, thank you very much!

ratas calientes
May 22, 2014, 10:51
I found a wallet once. I tracked down the owner using their driver's license and returned it. It wasn't mine, and I wasn't the least bit interested in what was in it.

When I purchased my Beretta 92F I first put it on layaway. Then I returned weeks later and paid it off. When I returned home and added it up, I had underpaid the balance. So I returned to the local gun store and paid them the rest. They mentioned that had I not paid them the rest, they probably would have never known that they were underpaid. A deal is a deal. I agree to pay a certain amount and I pay it.

Same goes if I promise to sell something for a certain amount and then I get a better offer. Oh well. I keep my promise to sell for the lower amount.

I am not for sale.

tdb59
May 22, 2014, 11:07
"...the animal does not choose, but just reacts." is wrong. My dog "chooses" to not piss on the furniture, eat my cat, drag food from the counter, and many other things because his "god" would make him pay. A Raven, when confronted with more food than he can eat, will call other Ravens to come eat. Such benevolence from a bird? If he ate and left the others hungry it would be survival of the fittest so it must be self sacrifice and benevolence. But animals can only "react"?

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“Man is the Reasoning Animal. Such is the claim. I think it is open to dispute. Indeed, my experiments have proven to me that he is the Unreasoning Animal... In truth, man is incurably foolish. Simple things which other animals easily learn, he is incapable of learning. Among my experiments was this. In an hour I taught a cat and a dog to be friends. I put them in a cage. In another hour I taught them to be friends with a rabbit. In the course of two days I was able to add a fox, a goose, a squirrel and some doves. Finally a monkey. They lived together in peace; even affectionately.

Next, in another cage I confined an Irish Catholic from Tipperary, and as soon as he seemed tame I added a Scotch Presbyterian from Aberdeen. Next a Turk from Constantinople; a Greek Christian from Crete; an Armenian; a Methodist from the wilds of Arkansas; a Buddhist from China; a Brahman from Benares. Finally, a Salvation Army Colonel from Wapping. Then I stayed away for two whole days. When I came back to note results, the cage of Higher Animals was all right, but in the other there was but a chaos of gory odds and ends of turbans and fezzes and plaids and bones and flesh--not a specimen left alive. These Reasoning Animals had disagreed on a theological detail and carried the matter to a Higher Court.”

Twain 1909


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Texgunner
May 22, 2014, 13:48
A sign was tacked on the wall of "Easter Buddy's BarBQ joint": "In my Father's house, there are many mansions, let's be friends-no credit".:|

mountainman
May 22, 2014, 15:44
If it ain't mine I will try to find the owner. If no owner i think who can use ????? More than me. Then give it to them. I belive. God will judge me and I have done a lot of wrong. I need to do a lot more good. All my wrong got me a broken back and a divorce. And now I am poor according to the gov. But I have breath a apt to keep me dry and twenty dollars for food. So I say I am rich. I also have this phone so I can come here to the inter web to be with y'all

You one of the most giving persons I ever known, You have your faults and I know that those faults create no victims but yourself. I seriously doubt the divorce and bad back are because of any wrong you have ever done. Reminds of an old blue grass song used to fiddle, "Using my Bible as a road map," well, how many people have sincerely got lost using a road map as best as they could. NO ones fault.

djginwis
May 22, 2014, 17:50
Years ago, I went to use the ATM in my local grocery store. There was a card in the machine. On the screen it said, "Do you want to make another transaction?" Duh, cash advance maybe?

I returned the card to the customer service desk. Two weeks later, I lost my checkbook and it was returned to the same desk.

If I came across a large amount of money and no idea of its owner, I would give it to charity. If I was starving and homeless, maybe I would do differently.

TRANSAM 79
May 22, 2014, 18:49
I went to the store and bought my food and got a $40 cash back.It was my last $$ for a couple days.I was on Empty in my car and was going to get gas on the way home.I was so busy thinking about what I needed to do I forgot the $$.I got to the car only to remember I didnt take the $$.I ran back in and it was gone.Now I have no $$ Or gas to get home.I decided to go back in and ask if anyone had turned it in.The girl at the desk said yes and gave it to me.The next time I find $$ unless its outside on the ground(found 3 $50 bills once in a parking lot)Ill turn it in.It could be that poor persons last $$.

mountainman
May 22, 2014, 18:59
when I was about 3 yrs old My mom was holding me and I was raising a ruckus hooting and hollering. This was at the bank tellers station. He ended up giving my mom an extra $10,000 in the vinyl pouch. oops. she counted the money at home and a friend who was a real crook said, 'this is your lucky day'. She called that teller and he immediately came to pick up his money. he was very very thankful. he had a few kids and you know the story. Back then that was like a 50% payment on a house not to mention the kind of car or vacation you could get for that kinda money. How could you live with yourself knowing you made so many kids and a wife suffer and maybe even this guy end up behind bars cause of a 3 yr old making a ruckus?

gates
May 22, 2014, 19:09
Couple of recent ones, found a $6-$7k diamond tennis bracelet in a grocery store parking lot as I was walking back to my truck, turned around went back into the store and gave it to the manager. A few years ago I had my pool company do some work for me - about $1100 worth, they moved office locations and in the process they lost my bill, I waited a couple of months for the invoice then called and asked if they wanted to be paid for the work. I had my kids with me one day when I accidentally hit a car while backing out of a parking space - I stopped, wrote a note telling the car owner what had happened and included my insurance info and contact information - my children watched me the entire time I was doing this.

Always try to do the right thing and you will always be able to look yourself in the mirror and see an honest man. The trick of course is to do the right thing when no one else is looking and only YOU know.

paulo
May 22, 2014, 20:38
What goes around comes around.