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dandaman
May 07, 2014, 12:10
I had it happen once before where you send a money order to someone on a forum for a part they posted, but they never answer the replies of "Where's the part?" after waiting weeks for the part to come in.

I contacted the admins of the forum, they contacted the seller and as a result the person was banned for taking money without sending the part.

I went through the same steps and was told be someone else here that most admins wish not to get in between parties that deal went bad. I contacted that seller multiple times the last few weeks, asked for advice from members here and contacted an admin.

SO...i'm asking members here what should I do now that I'm out of my money?

EricCartmanR1
May 07, 2014, 12:16
who was the member? looks like you are out of luck and never going to get your money back or the part.

Just write it off in the books, and forget about it and drive on!

dandaman
May 07, 2014, 12:46
Well, i was hoping for a solution but its been 2 half weeks with no reply.

It was ratrodgarage. The guy looks to be an honest seller so what's up with the poor deal and no replies?

I'm use to having a back up plan when doing deals like this but for now on I guess only make payments through paypal.

HighRatMaster
May 07, 2014, 12:47
First off you need to supply details for two reasons, to out the scum so no one else is taken by him and to add validity to your story so we know you are not just whining about nothing.

2-1/2 weeks is bad but can't be considered as welching/thieving, he may have a good reason.

olgier
May 07, 2014, 12:52
So what's their actual board name? The name you posted has no posts and no threads listed.

Have they posted since you tried to contact them?

Link to original thread?

Post the info.

martin35
May 07, 2014, 12:55
I'd post his handle and his name along with the particulars of the transaction and any names for him I could think of which would be mucho.

Then I'd give his address to a for hire Islamic suicide bomber along with a Google Earth map.

All these thing are either legal or just plain ole' condoned depending on what part of the world you live in.

You are not one of those pitiful para spring buyers from the Dumping Brass Forum are you?

jugrunner
May 07, 2014, 13:59
he's online right now ... !!! ... send him a PM ...

PBR Streetgang
May 07, 2014, 14:02
Take your MO to where you bought it and file a complaint.

dandaman
May 07, 2014, 14:10
I did for a third time. I will end up filing a compliant soon if he doesn't answer back. It's going to cost $6 to file a compliant and takes 45 days....

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o705/Dan_San/prob_zpsa4f50883.jpg

Drtrumpet
May 07, 2014, 16:49
You need to remove his mailing address from this post.

kfranz
May 07, 2014, 17:29
Tell you what, if you don't have mags and haven't heard from him by a week from this post, shoot me a PM and I'll send you a couple of HK mags.

tac-40
May 07, 2014, 17:56
A big question for the OP. Did the seller ever acknowledge receipt of payment? Even though you may have sent payment to him, if he didn't get it, the deal hasn't been finalized. Work on finding that out before you do anything else.

SAFN49
May 07, 2014, 18:08
Yeah it sucks to not get replies or know where your parts are. Good communications are part of the transaction. 2 ~ 2.5 weeks isn't a very long time. Maybe he was on vaction out of the country and didn't have access to the Files.

Many in business would tell you to please allow 4 to 6 weeks for delivery. If it hits 4 weeks then complain.

dandaman
May 07, 2014, 18:40
I have done business online for many years and the only time you see a person ignore emails, messages and so on is when the deal is not being legitimately made. I will go quiet for a few months and by than i'm sure there will be more who are robbed. There's probably people right now on week 5 waiting for the right time to speak up. By then it will be too late. I posted this post to get a response from the individual who i sent the link to this post WHILE he was on the forums and still as you can see no response privately nor on here. This is after sending multiple messages.

I did not know of the rule for personally information. I was coming to omit the info now. Apparently there's rules for posting personal info but not stealing other members money. I wish to close this thread and will post an update next month unless I get banned from speaking up.

I paid $25 and I was just trying to get my money's worth.

4duece
May 07, 2014, 18:59
He was just on line posting yesterday.Wanting to buy A FAL Para. kit. from Adam762,:uhoh: He should have had time to check his PM's.:wink::fal:

hkshooter
May 07, 2014, 20:38
I have done business online for many years and the only time you see a person ignore emails, messages and so on is when the deal is not being legitimately made. I will go quiet for a few months and by than i'm sure there will be more who are robbed. There's probably people right now on week 5 waiting for the right time to speak up. By then it will be too late. I posted this post to get a response from the individual who i sent the link to this post WHILE he was on the forums and still as you can see no response privately nor on here. This is after sending multiple messages.

I did not know of the rule for personally information. I was coming to omit the info now. Apparently there's rules for posting personal info but not stealing other members money. I wish to close this thread and will post an update next month unless I get banned from speaking up.

I paid $25 and I was just trying to get my money's worth.

I don't see you getting banned for piping up, don't sweat it. IMHO, in todays age of instant comms there's no excuse for not replying to people who are trying to get hold of someone. Barring some personal issue/problem/disaster there's simply no reason for it.
Shit happens and if it did you'll hear from him soon and get it worked out. If not, well, he just drove the last nail in his marketplace coffin.

TRANSAM 79
May 07, 2014, 20:55
I would say computor problems.Ive have service go down for days thanks to the monitor ,and other issues.But if hes been on here looking for stuff,you can rule that out.If ita a USPS MO and he ripped you of hes in big trouble.The feds dont like that.See if MO has been cashed.unforunatly theres not much you can do for 30 days.I had a USPSMO sent to me get lost.We had to wait the alotted time before he could get another one.

ratrodgarage
May 07, 2014, 21:01
What an EFFING homo...Any mods are welcome to check my PM box and you will see the only messages I have from this fruit loop is asking if I had sent his mags yet about 12-14 days ago and I had not even received his payment yet...I may be off on the days but I had not got his payment yet and the check cash date will show that. I have this crap at my summer home where a summer business of mine is and I was up opening the home and cleared this stuff out for OBVIOUS reason if you were lucky enough read when he flaunted my address....Since his payment was so tardy after everyone elses I actually forgot about his mags...the last to pay, last to ship. I left the home and have been in Pa and Ohio for the past weeks....I returned this past Friday, I was just reminded for the FIRST time about this by him sending me the link to this BULLSHIT post about my Character and THEFT of his piddly money. Give me a break. As for people saying I am nailing a nail in my coffin?? I sold over 35 items in the past 4 months with ZERO issues. HE WAS THE MOST TARDY AND LAST TO PAY. SO now since you all fee the need to make comments and weigh in...

2 options...I can send him his STOLEN money back along with the mags SMASHED with a hammer....or just send the mags to the child??

What do you all think. I mean this is of course if I dont take my own life tonight for neglecting to remember to mail 2 mags....I mean that is a MAJOR offense and all.

Sorry if I am ranting to people who did not weigh in...but come on. What a baby and LIAR because I did not have ANY MESSAGES from you other than one you sent asking for a tracking number before I had payment.

I mean seriously...who gives a shit. F8ck it, hes getting his money back. I am pissed and this is not worth dealing with and I am not doing business with someone this ridiculous. Should have sent me a message instead of this bullshit post. Then he brags about it to me...instead of saying "hey whats up?"

ratrodgarage
May 07, 2014, 21:07
I just read everyones comments..I guess I am a little hyped about nothing...My biggest issue is this dude acting like I am ducking him and using the word STOLEN and Thief and what not. Just not the case. Also his being full of it on Pm numbers. No biggy...I will mail his stuff tomorrow and be sure to post a tracking number for the WORLD TO SEE.

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May 07, 2014, 21:07
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Texgunner
May 08, 2014, 00:07
"Don't you doubt Miss Mellie's word!" Gotta love ol' Mammy.:smile:

Stranger
May 08, 2014, 00:16
....I can send him his STOLEN money back along with the mags SMASHED with a hammer....

Definitely this option. It really puts the **** YOU in the feelings you are wanting to convey.

ALL FAL
May 08, 2014, 00:28
Not a big deal, square up, be reasonable, mistakes happen. Move on. :cool:

meltblown
May 08, 2014, 06:01
Sounds like a legitimate oversight. RRG has bought from me with no issues.

evan price
May 08, 2014, 06:22
Send him his money back, sell the mags to someone else.
People who misbehave like this are usually not worth dealing with at all.
I've done it before. I reserve the right to sell to someone else depending on attitude.

jeffrey
May 08, 2014, 09:11
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tywest
May 08, 2014, 09:27
I wouldnt be upset RRG if you refused sale after this, assuming legitimacy.

Let the op find out if his check is cashed yet ($6) and if not then when and if it arrives id send it back.

Up to the buyer to make sure payment gets there
Up to the seller to makes sure item gets there

Op if you want expedient service you should have overnighted or priority sent payment or atleast paid for tracking on your envelope. Now you really cant find out anything other than has it been cashed yet. I understand ive got two Mo's to the same guy floating around out there because he gave me the wrong zip. Just gotta suck it up, takes 60 days before they issue refund. If i were you id just apologize, ask for the transaction to be cancelled, and handle your end yourself.

Your making accusations with no evidence.......slander/libel much?

gunplumber
May 08, 2014, 09:36
2-1/2 weeks is bad but can't be considered as welching/thieving, he may have a good reason.

Yes, after confirmation of payment, no delivery in 2-1/2 weeks, and no tracking number to blame on the carrier, he's a scumbag, lowlife thief. The only excuse should be his obituary.

People like you are one of the reasons this crap goes on - you define downward what is "acceptable" until any pathetic, whining, sniveling excuse for being a deadbeat is A-ok!

If you can't ship promptly, don't advertise the f-cking item for sale. Excuses are for faggots.

Now if the buyer didn't send the payment in a timely manner, the seller has every right to consider the agreement breached, but he doesn't have the right to wait around for 2-1/2 weeks to make up his mind.

7 business days or 10 calendar days each way is the absolute max any transaction should take, and that's damn generous. Longer than that, and you have no business advertising here, or responding to ads.

chet
May 08, 2014, 10:16
Yeah, you come across all kinds. Me? I sell something online and the clock is ticking. I'm looking for payment so I can get the stuff outta here and in transit to the customer. Payment doesn't show and I'm asking questions before the buyer is. Guy starts asking about product delivery and I still don't have payment? Yep, more questions. He might be a swell friend and I do him a solid and ship on faith. He might not be and I hold the shipment til payment clears. Either way, we're communicating.

Got multiple items for sale at once? Yep, more balls for the seller to juggle but that's his worry, not mine. Does it mean slack communication will fly? Nope.


Evidently, some people don't understand the fuss. I don't understand why someone would throw their name away for 6 bucks.

MordeanGrey
May 08, 2014, 11:18
I think the lesson everyone needs to learn is that good communication prevents problems before they become problems.

If you're going to be late paying or shipping for some reason, send an email, PM, whatever, and tell the other person what is going on.

Don't leave people hanging, that's when the rumor and worry starts to build.

:cool:

ratrodgarage
May 08, 2014, 16:03
His shit mailed...Gunplumber....seriously get a life. You are stuck on one type of rifle for your entire life. Get outside a bit...learn to actually INTERACT with people, you will learn people have lives and things do happen. I have recently moved, opened an additional business, and taken 5 business overnighters in the past 16 days. His mags that he paid tardy for...LAST OF MY CONCERN. Guess I am a thief...Your thoughts are about the only thing lower on that list after his 2 dollar mags.

SWOHFAL
May 08, 2014, 16:26
Lotta drama for a dinky transaction.

GSP228
May 08, 2014, 16:38
Lotta drama for a dinky transaction.

It does seem dinky, but as far as business goes, I think his "two dollar mags" should carry the same weight as a $20K Poyer.

ratrodgarage
May 08, 2014, 16:50
It does seem dinky, but as far as business goes, I think his "two dollar mags" should carry the same weight as a $20K Poyer.

And his shit got mailed...what else needs said here really. What the hell have you ever sold in your life??? My business has mailed over 60k packages in the past 10 years....CAN ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY BEAT THAT? I mean really I seriously forgot...WHO CARES...all he EVER NEEDED TO DO WAS REMIND ME. End of story. Would I have forgot if I was mailing a heart for a transplant or mailing in my one free piece of pu$$y card to Jenifer love Hewitt that my wife gave me, no...My bad, I forgot to mail some mags. HOLY SHIT, happy kwanza.

MOVE ON. If he has the need to bang me on Feedback, I will be happy to return the favor for taking his sweet ass time to mail me the money, so long in fact that every single other item from all 6 of my for sale posts was paid for and shipped.

Gawt Damn what a rough bunch. :whiskey::whiskey::tinfoilhat::whiskey:

tdb59
May 08, 2014, 17:00
I paid $25 and I was just trying to get my money's worth.

You got more than your money's worth in word count alone.


HK mags ?

They must be rare.....


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gunplumber
May 08, 2014, 17:03
It does seem dinky, but as far as business goes, I think his "two dollar mags" should carry the same weight as a $20K Poyer.

This. One either has integrity, or one doesn't. The dollar amount is merely a curiosity. The seller is obviously one who's word comes with lots of unmentioned conditions. He's also one of the few on my ignore list, probably for some previous crap like this. Not someone I'd choose to do business with, no matter how good a deal something is.

And OP, I have about 20 HK mags you can have for $5 each, plus ship. And I won't take 2 weeks to ship.

And if I screw the pooch, and don't ship promptly, I promise not to whine like a little bitch at how hard my life is, and why you're just being mean by expecting me to meet my contractual obligations. 'Cause I may be an asshole, but I don't f-ck around when dealing with other people's money, whether it is $6 or $6000.

GSP228
May 08, 2014, 17:08
And his shit got mailed...what else needs said here really. What the hell have you ever sold in your life??? My business has mailed over 60k packages in the past 10 years....CAN ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY BEAT THAT? I mean really I seriously forgot...WHO CARES...all he EVER NEEDED TO DO WAS REMIND ME. End of story. Would I have forgot if I was mailing a heart for a transplant or mailing in my one free piece of pu$$y card to Jenifer love Hewitt that my wife gave me, no...My bad, I forgot to mail some mags. HOLY SHIT, happy kwanza.

MOVE ON. If he has the need to bang me on Feedback, I will be happy to return the favor for taking his sweet ass time to mail me the money, so long in fact that every single other item from all 6 of my for sale posts was paid for and shipped.

Gawt Damn what a rough bunch. :whiskey::whiskey::tinfoilhat::whiskey:I guess it would be a safe bet that you never took a Dale Carnegie course.

4duece
May 08, 2014, 17:12
I have 8 HK mags for sale I will post later. I never sold 60k worth of stuff but I sold a FAL reciever at a gun show once. It was a Century. My birthday is next week where can you buy the Free piece of BEAVER cards for Jennifer Love Hewitt? :bow:Have to tell the wife to get me one. :D Really guys put it to rest. If it was Entreprise I would say different.:facepalm:

gunplumber
May 08, 2014, 17:26
I guess it would be a safe bet that you never took a Dale Carnegie course.

I know you were writing to the deadbeat shipper, but for what it's worth, my dad made me write an analysis of Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

He was not expecting my conclusion to be "How to feign interest in people so as better manipulate them into giving you money".

Beckman
May 08, 2014, 17:32
I think the lesson everyone needs to learn is that good communication prevents problems before they become problems.

If you're going to be late paying or shipping for some reason, send an email, PM, whatever, and tell the other person what is going on.

Don't leave people hanging, that's when the rumor and worry starts to build.

:cool:Excellent advice.

dandaman
May 08, 2014, 19:34
This is the biggiest bunch of BS i seen yet. I message you on the 16th, same day i agreed to get the mags, that i would send it friday to you. You said ok. I couldn't make it to the post office before they closed so i did it saturday morning. I waited til the 25th and sent you the first messege asking for a tracking. Then few days later again trying to get some confirmation you got the MO.

I sent a message everytime i seen you get online. YES get online on the forums. As in you was offline and logged on to here. I have every one of the messages save on my account.

I don't know WTF happened but understand one thing. If you had forgot you had every instant to notify me of it. You had enough time. Just because i'm a day late on the time we agreed for the money order to be sent you "forget"?

That's a poor excuse.

Note 2: I HAVE THE RECEIPT WHICH I WILL BE MAKING A CASE TO SEE WHEN IT WAS CASHED. it was signed to you ONLY!!

Screw the mags. Your lying butt just took this to a new level and I'm going to pay the little $6 to prove you are trash.

The honorable thing would have been saying i'm sorry for forgetting about the deal or answering my messages but you sir have no honor. I will post updates in 45 days once the results come back from the post office.:redface:


ALSO this isn't about $2 mags. Its about $25 = a portion of my life taking with nothing in return. Certain things you can't get back. Like your reputation after i'm done with you...

GSP228
May 08, 2014, 19:42
:popcorn:

shlomo
May 08, 2014, 20:01
...my dad made me write an analysis of Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People".


The mind reels. :eek:

ratrodgarage
May 08, 2014, 20:02
Please post the results of your INVESTIGATION. You will see that the check was not cashed when you wrote your FIRST AND ONLY message of where are your mags.

Your shit is mailed I will be sure to post the tracking tomorrow. They went priority so you can shove them by monday I am sure.

As for gun plumber...I stick to my previous notion...YOU HAVE CABIN FEVER and need to get out and meet some people...maybe a woman...maybe a man...whatever your flavor. Call me scum all you want...Like I said I have mailed over 60k parcels just with USPS over the past ten years and have an Perfect record with the better business bureau.

I have already many times cried, apologized, stabbed and whipped myself for making a mistake, but dear lord...WHO CARES. He will have his shit, I got to move my contraband, and I am over it. :bow:

I think the last FAL I purchased here took over a month to get...WOW I guess that dude should be HUNG. Wait, actually I was happy with it, he was certainly pleased with the money...I guess that is just not what business is all about guys. I guess I need some more schooling...:o

kfranz
May 08, 2014, 20:04
Smells like piss in here. Anybody know who won?

ratrodgarage
May 08, 2014, 20:11
I am going to keep drinking beer so I have plenty of ammo.

tdb59
May 08, 2014, 21:17
I am going to keep drinking beer so I have plenty of ammo.

:wink::bow:

Right Side Up
May 08, 2014, 22:25
I think some people in life live for drama. That's not directed just at the OP.

It's always fun to watch GP get on his soapbox. Don't be late shipping something, that's wrong, but he plans to shoot and steal from fellow citizens if SHTF someday because he knows what it's like to be hungry. :rolleyes:

SWOHFAL
May 08, 2014, 22:46
I know you were writing to the deadbeat shipper, but for what it's worth, my dad made me write an analysis of Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

He was not expecting my conclusion to be "How to feign interest in people so as better manipulate them into giving you money".

Just think how you'd be had you never read Dale....

Texgunner
May 08, 2014, 22:50
Just think how you'd be had you never read Dale....

:rofl: Damn, I had the very same thought.

4duece
May 09, 2014, 07:40
But, "What does the Fox say?".:sleep::sleep::sleep:

Dirt1042
May 09, 2014, 09:52
And his shit got mailed...what else needs said here really. What the hell have you ever sold in your life??? My business has mailed over 60k packages in the past 10 years....CAN ANYONE HERE ACTUALLY BEAT THAT? I mean really I seriously forgot...WHO CARES...all he EVER NEEDED TO DO WAS REMIND ME. End of story. Would I have forgot if I was mailing a heart for a transplant or mailing in my one free piece of pu$$y card to Jenifer love Hewitt that my wife gave me, no...My bad, I forgot to mail some mags. HOLY SHIT, happy kwanza.

MOVE ON. If he has the need to bang me on Feedback, I will be happy to return the favor for taking his sweet ass time to mail me the money, so long in fact that every single other item from all 6 of my for sale posts was paid for and shipped.

Gawt Damn what a rough bunch. :whiskey::whiskey::tinfoilhat::whiskey:

Attitude is everything. The attitude you're displaying convinces me to not do business with you. People do make mistakes, how you correct them is what counts.

Guy-epic
May 09, 2014, 10:08
Smells like piss in here. Anybody know who won?

What he said ^^^^^^

Brett
May 09, 2014, 10:39
No one won...but I think I need to read this book of Dale's so I can learn how to kick ass.

ratrodgarage
May 09, 2014, 14:05
Attitude is everything. The attitude you're displaying convinces me to not do business with you. People do make mistakes, how you correct them is what counts.


The attitude your smelling here is about the BS with him saying I am ducking him and not responding. Just not the case, and this entire thing is beneath us all. No need for it. A simple reminder would have been sufficient. At any rate, items shipped and all is well. :bow: