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Artful
November 17, 2013, 14:34
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/15/legalizing-illegal-immigrants-solution-obamacare-d/
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Rep. Jared Polis said Friday the key problem with health care right now is that illegal immigrants aren’t included in Obamacare, and said part of the solution is to pass a bill granting them citizenship rights.

The House is debating a GOP-written bill that would allow Americans to keep their health plans that have been canceled under Obamacare, but Mr. Polis, a Colorado Democrat, said the chamber should instead be looking at ways to make sure everyone in the country is covered by the Affordable Care Act — including illegal immigrants.

“American citizens are essentially being forced to pay for the health care costs of people who are here illegally every day, until we pass comprehensive immigration reform,” he said. “We’re wondering why rates are going up. … It’s no surprise. When somebody doesn’t have insurance, their costs are shifted onto other people that do.”

Illegal immigrants are one of the few categories of people in the U.S. who aren’t subjected to Obamacare’s individual mandate requiring all people to have health insurance coverage. They also aren’t eligible for taxpayer subsidies to buy insurance on the health exchanges, nor are they supposed to be getting assistance under Medicaid.

But Mr. Polis said leaving them outside of the health mandate means that they end up using emergency care, but don’t end up paying their own bills — leaving the rest of the country to pick up those costs.

He said the solution is to pass House Democrats’ bill, which would grant a long-term pathway to citizenship for most illegal immigrants. The legislation is known by its bill number, House Res. 15

“If we can pass HR, 15 people who are here illegally will have to get insurance on their own instead of forcing Americans to pay for their insurance,” Mr. Polis said.
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:uhoh:

12v71
November 17, 2013, 14:37
Cannibis Oil ?:fal:

ExCdnSoldierInTx
November 17, 2013, 14:48
Of course they want to make the Illegals Citizens. They'd love to give them INSTANT Citizenship, but that would never fly.

There is no better way to increase Democratic Party votes by over 20 million than to do this right now.
Even Texas, especially Texas, will instantly become solidly and reliably Blue, which would all but guarantee a Democratic White House for at least a Generation.

The sad part is, the Republicans are over a barrel. They have no choice but to back Citizenship for the Illegals to hopefully be able to peel off enough of those Mexican votes to make certain States a toss up.

This Country will be Socialist,or worse, in 2 Generations max.

0302
November 17, 2013, 15:03
the illegals / hispanics are one of the dems largest voting blocks. they will never vote anything else. the dems have sold us out to get the illegal vote.

Tibodoe
November 17, 2013, 15:07
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act of 1986.
Forcing hospitals to treat illegals and those who can't pay, with
no reimbursement from the Feds.
As much as I thought I liked Reagan, 1986 was a bad year for liberty
under his watch.
This seemingly compassionate act, has snowballed to the mess it
causes today.

ftierson
November 17, 2013, 16:17
There you go again... :)

Forrest

shlomo
November 17, 2013, 17:53
Seen the Obamacare ad campaign ads in Colorado? Not a joke, I swear.

As the saying goes, "you can look it up".

http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/550x599xyour-a-whore-ad.jpg.pagespeed.ic_.atcJz9qYT4.jpg

http://www.motherjones.com/files/18.jpg

http://blogs.columbian.com/live-well/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2013/11/ACA-ad.jpeg

12v71
November 17, 2013, 18:06
Wow. Lets promote promiscuity and alcoholism. Im sure Dabs will weigh in on this soon.:D:D

Jolly Rodgers
November 17, 2013, 18:16
Obamacare is pure cost shifting with a healthy dose of government bureaucratic skimming and corruption. Better yet, they can use it for political manipulation like they do everything else.

357ross
November 17, 2013, 18:27
What's in the water? Democrap desperation to buy more votes and stay in power. Not any more complicated than that.

SWOHFAL
November 17, 2013, 20:06
Might be the water, but it was more likely a contact high from smoking his BF's pole. More illegals mean more young boys he can do things with that won't complain to police.

jtscuba02
November 17, 2013, 20:10
I call BS on the last one. Those two women are not smoking hot! lol

moonbat60
November 17, 2013, 20:47
Of course they want to make the Illegals Citizens. They'd love to give them INSTANT Citizenship, but that would never fly.

There is no better way to increase Democratic Party votes by over 20 million than to do this right now.
Even Texas, especially Texas, will instantly become solidly and reliably Blue, which would all but guarantee a Democratic White House for at least a Generation.

The sad part is, the Republicans are over a barrel. They have no choice but to back Citizenship for the Illegals to hopefully be able to peel off enough of those Mexican votes to make certain States a toss up.

This Country will be Socialist,or worse, in 2 Generations max.


+1 on that.

SPEEDGUNNER
November 17, 2013, 22:12
This craziness needs to end...aargh!!

Merl
November 17, 2013, 22:26
Let illegals on the exchanges same as everyone else. No subsidies of course but as residents of the country (even illegal residents) let them buy insurance. With the forced treatment mentioned above it really is the only option (because deportation is not happening). I'm sure people here on student visas are not exempt and must have insurance.

And for something to confuse the hell out of things, Polis sent this out recently regarding 2A:
Dear Friend:

I am excited to provide an update regarding our Second Amendment rights and current legislation that will help protect the rights of gunowners.
This week, I introduced H.R. 3483, the Protecting Individual Liberties and States’ Rights Act of 2013, legislation which would protect gunowners by ensuring that they do not have their guns taken away by the federal government for actions that are legal under Colorado state law. Coloradans overwhelmingly approved Amendment 64 and related provisions in successive elections, demonstrating our commitment to regulating marijuana like alcohol. No veteran should lose his right to bear arms simply because he legally grows three marijuana plants in the privacy of his own home, in full compliance with Colorado state law. Nor should a cancer patient forgo her Second Amendment rights because she uses medical marijuana to control nausea from chemotherapy. There is currently nothing to stop federal agents from seizing legal guns from Colorado residents who are fully complying with state laws, and my bill protects the Second Amendment rights of Coloradans following state law.


I also recently became a cosponsor of H.R. 1565, the bipartisan Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act. As your representative in Congress, it is my responsibility to protect the liberties enshrined by the Constitution. The Second Amendment Rights Protection Act helps expand our freedoms by guaranteeing the right of gunowners to buy, sell, trade, and travel more freely with their firearms.


Colorado provides gunowners access to a concealed carry permit that lawfully allows travel with a concealed firearm in other states that have agreed to accept Colorado’s permits. While there is room for improvement, this system is convenient for gunowners. H.R. 1565 expands this travel protection by allowing lawful concealed carry permit holders to buy, sell, or trade a firearm in any other state, as long as the other state’s laws meet certain criteria and the concealed carry permit was issued in the past five years. For example, under this bill, a Colorado resident traveling to visit family in California may be able to use his or her Colorado concealed carry permit to buy a gun in California without being subject to a new background check. This bill would make it easier for gunowners to travel or work in other states, and would reduce duplicative and unnecessary involvement by the federal government.


Furthermore, I strongly oppose the creation of a federal gun registry. While a national registry is not specifically authorized in any law, you may be wondering, what’s to stop a federal agency or even a President from creating one? Did the NSA have the authority to collect cell phone data from hundreds of millions of Americans? Did Congress ever approve the fatally flawed Fast and Furious gunrunning operation? Our laws and our government should enhance our liberties—not threaten them. Without clear protections, we risk more violations of our rights. The bill that I co-sponsored explicitly prohibits the creation of a national gun registry, and will protect privacy and gunowners’ rights by penalizing any federal employees or contractors who attempt to create a federal registry with up to 15 years in prison.


I will also soon become a cosponsor of H.R. 3335, the Firearms Interstate Commerce Reform Act, which was recently introduced by Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA). This bill would allow an individual to buy firearms from a licensed dealer in another state, as long as the buyer met the background check requirements of that state. Under this bill, dealers could buy and sell firearms in other states if they complied with each state’s laws, and would also be allowed to exchange firearms directly, rather than only at licensed locations.


You may also be interested to know that earlier this year I was one of 18 Democrats to join 216 Republicans to vote in support of an amendment offered by Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) that would require the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to report to Congress on the quantity of, and rationale for, its proposed ammunition purchases. Just as I am working to prevent the federal government from intruding into the lives of lawful gunowners, I also want to make sure that DHS isn’t stocking up on more ammunition than it needs.
Like much of our nation, Colorado has a long tradition of gun ownership. From recreation and sport to self-protection and safety, I am committed to protecting the rights of lawful Coloradans to own firearms. If I can be of further assistance on this or any other issue, please contact me at (970) 226-1239. I also encourage you to visit https://polis.house.gov and sign up to receive my newsletter.

Sincerely,

0302
November 17, 2013, 23:02
illegals are not stupid enough to sign up at exchanges. just go to the e.r. for free. they are exempt anyways.

Merl
November 18, 2013, 08:55
illegals are not stupid enough to sign up at exchanges. just go to the e.r. for free. they are exempt anyways.

They are also smart enough to know that medical treatment before a condition becomes life threatening (the only required treatment) is a big part of living a long life. That part you will not get without cash or insurance.

0302
November 18, 2013, 09:34
they pay cash , get on medicaid, etc. they use fake documents to get services and many states are very welcoming like new mexico. illegals csn get drivers licenses now in many states. remember wic & welfare?
it is the average working american, who usually knows nothing & doesn't care about politics, getting cornholed. i know some city employees here who had to drop their wives from their health plans & also got rate increases. many of my indian relatives have dropped their health plans. & go to the indian health service now. fed workers have completely plans from presbyterian, blue cross , geha, from what is offered to civvies which have not changed much in price. the vast majority of americans still don't get it & the rest blame republicans.

keiser
November 18, 2013, 14:02
It's the Kalifornia kool-aid those folks brought here and polluted our streams and lakes with.

Mark IV
November 18, 2013, 14:25
When the San Andreas fault causes California to slide into the Pacific, maybe there will be some underground umbilical cord attached to Colorado and will drag it along into the abyss.

I place great faith in the San Andreas fault. It is a source of hope for me.

ByrnieMac
November 18, 2013, 23:27
They get the damn illegals free and un-earned citizenship (who are criminals to begin with) free citizenship, and they have a much larger low information voter base that is guaranteed to vote straight-ticket democrat

thunderchicken
November 19, 2013, 12:23
I know Jared. He's not stupid or a typical urban Dem. It makes perfect sense to require those who we are going to end up paying for when they show up in ER's to buy insurance just like everyone else. Alot of the illegals are the young "invincibles" that need to be in any insurance to pools to subsidize my cheeseburger eating ass when I get my next coronary. I'm fully supportive of exploiting the Mojados like they've done to the rest of us for so long.

keiser
November 19, 2013, 17:01
I know Jared. He's not stupid or a typical urban Dem. It makes perfect sense to require those who we are going to end up paying for when they show up in ER's to buy insurance just like everyone else. Alot of the illegals are the young "invincibles" that need to be in any insurance to pools to subsidize my cheeseburger eating ass when I get my next coronary. I'm fully supportive of exploiting the Mojados like they've done to the rest of us for so long.

I would bet that the cost of paying for illegals at the ER is a lot cheaper than getting them all on subsisidized insurance. No matter how you look at it, we the tax payers who work will be paying. My plan would be to round them up and send them back across the border where they belong and quit giving citizenship to anybody born here unless there parents were US citizens in the country legally.

EVC-3
November 25, 2013, 21:25
Dear Representative Moron:

http://higherthoughts.com/Images/Comment_Pic/8846/8846-l.jpg

Merl
November 25, 2013, 23:06
Colorado is letting dogs sign up for health care. Anyone think illegals are not also signed up?
Reports of subsidized illegal aliens (or dogs) will upset me greatly. Until then they are free to buy insurance (until we deport them).