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Old October 22, 2011, 18:50   #1
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What is a FN-D

Im over at Apex Gun Parts and they are advertising FN-D 20rd mags in 30/06. What is a FN-D?
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Old October 22, 2011, 18:53   #2
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Looks like a BAR.

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Old October 22, 2011, 20:03   #3
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Thanks. After I put up the question on the forum I did a Google search.
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Old October 25, 2011, 15:55   #4
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The FND is in 30.06
the FND A1 is in 7.62 NATO and uses FALmags


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Old October 25, 2011, 16:40   #5
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Now paco, THAT is an answer! Very, very nice. You've got a lot of sweet stuff don't you? (I am assume the pics are from a personal collection )
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Old October 26, 2011, 07:37   #6
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Did the FN-D/DA-1 see action in the Congo, or had it been totally replaced by the MAG in frontline use?
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Old October 26, 2011, 07:46   #7
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The FN D..... What is it? It's a hard-on machine!

I would love to get my hands on one, just to see one in real life!
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Old October 26, 2011, 11:52   #8
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Did the FN-D/DA-1 see action in the Congo, or had it been totally replaced by the MAG in frontline use?
The 'D' was the issued Squad Automatic weapon in the Belgian Army until the late '60's, I believe. I remember seeing photos of Belgian troops with them in the Congo during the early '60's.
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Seriously sweet MG. Mine's a .30-06 like the first gun pictured, but you can swap calibers in 5 seconds with a barrel change. .30-06, 8mm, 7mm, and .308 can all be fired from the .30-06 mag, although a 'proper' full conversion would require the changeout of the grip housing as well. Basically a very advanced BAR. Two speed rof with a clockwork reducer, the quick change barrel, and an improved stripping method. No tool takedown. Also has an improved recoil buffer in the stock and a much improved gas system. I like the Bren a little bit better, but if forced to choose just one, I'd keep the FN-D. That caliber change is very nice to have.
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Wow!! What a great rifle I've never heard of. And now I'm looking around like an addict looking for a hit...
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Old October 30, 2011, 16:28   #11
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Hi,
The FND A1 was in service till the 90's
The FND in 30.06 did service till the 80's

It is a much better BAR, The pistolgrip makes it a great shooter, the A1 has the best sights. They also created a monopod and an expensive tripod. A bit overkill to me but great to have in your collection.
I got both version. They both run fine but the 7.62Nato fires more relaxed then his big bro. The FND saw action in Congo and Ruanda. Even Egypt had'm. It is stripped in seconds and the firingpin can be changed in a blink of you eye. Ergonomics are great, price is low (in Belgium)



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Old October 30, 2011, 21:46   #14
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Those are all very nice. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and pictures
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Hmmm,

To bad they can't be made semi? That and a drum mag would be just the trick.

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The 'D' was the issued Squad Automatic weapon in the Belgian Army until the late '60's, I believe. I remember seeing photos of Belgian troops with them in the Congo during the early '60's.
Thanks for the reply. Is there a good site with pictures from the 50's and '60's in the Congo? Specifically, I'm looking for the military aspect.

I'm trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to ignore paco's totally badass post.
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Old November 01, 2011, 14:20   #17
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Just wanted to help...
http://www.paracommando.com/pictures...acobus%20Budts

Check out the photo album, klick on Jacobus Budts and scrol to pic 12a and 12b dated 1957 The Kamina was the boat that took'm to Congo for sure!

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Old November 04, 2011, 10:21   #19
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goes easy...




However, nothing beats the FN MAG58
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Old November 04, 2011, 11:00   #20
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Hmmm, MAG-58. Some bright boy at FN said "Hey guys! Let's flip a BAR action upside-down and make it belt-fed!!"
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Old November 04, 2011, 17:08   #21
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Old November 04, 2011, 21:52   #22
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I love the BAR and I love the FND!!!
I have a 308 FND parts kit I'm hoping to make it into a dealer sample one day!!!
The first machine gun I ever shot was a US BAR with a Swedish pistol grip trigger assembly on it, felt just like the FND! AWESOME!!!!!!!
PACO I am envious!!!!!!!!!!
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Old November 14, 2011, 12:30   #23
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some nice details of a fine rifle


the monopod, adjustable


cleaningset


tripod


sigts of the FN D


sights of the FN DA1



Sights of the US BAR



Royal Crest markings Belgian Army (King Baudouin 1930-1993)
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Old November 14, 2011, 12:44   #24
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How's that linkage on the right side work?

Some sort of dust cover?

More pics, please!
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Question Regarding Ammo Belt

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What goes into the pocket next to the buckle on the right side in the picture?
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Old November 15, 2011, 13:53   #26
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Re: Question Regarding Ammo Belt

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Paco,

What goes into the pocket next to the buckle on the right side in the picture?
what picture. If it is the ammo sling, it is the fast striploader

If it is the tripod, it is a aliade

If it is the maintenance bag, it is the blankfiredevice + small sparepartscontainer.
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what picture. If it is the ammo sling, it is the fast striploader

If it is the tripod, it is a aliade

If it is the maintenance bag, it is the blankfiredevice + small sparepartscontainer.
I am referring to the first picture in post #4 showing the belt above the FND (ammo sling?). Makes sense it would be for the stripper clip guide. Although the U. S. Army had stripper clip guide for the BAR, the ammo belt had no provision to carry them.

What is an "aliade"? Not familar with that term.
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An aliade is a sightingtool with an airbubble in it. Looks like the mortarsights to level te tripod corectly.
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How's that linkage on the right side work?

Some sort of dust cover?

More pics, please!
it is indeed a dust cover
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It will open automaticly when you fire



left= US BAR 30-06 middle FND 30-06 right FNDa1 7.62Nato=Falmags

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What is an "aliade"? Not familar with that term.
He misspelt. The word is "alidade ".

Paco, fantastic pictures. I'd be interested in seeing more of the guts.
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He misspelt. The word is "alidade ".

Paco, fantastic pictures. I'd be interested in seeing more of the guts.
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I had a guy buy a drum magazine for one of these. I wonder how it worked out???!
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Unhappy

Really? Why?
Was it necessary to post pictures of things we cannot have?! Hmmm...?
Are you happy now ?
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Paco,
You are to be rightfully congratulated, and justly envied for such a fine collection.
1 question though, no matter how free the country is a person live in, one must have money to buy such fine firearms. My question; What do you do for a living?! I am seriously considering a career change, to what you do so I may afford such nice guns!
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I suddenly feel...small.

Seriously--I'm proud of what I've managed to collect over the years--including a couple machine guns. But THAT collection humbles me!
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It is a beautiful collection, but I suspect the rules and costs are different there than in the US. Can any of them be legally fired where they are? If so, under what restrictions? And is that room full of fine weaponry worth more or less than a couple of common transferables here in the US?

I suspect I'd rather have what I have here.

Still, nice to have someone who can post up pics that would put any US museum to shame.
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Then technical servicemen
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Yes, you can get a guncollectorslicense in Belgium, no problem.
Yes, you can testfire your collection but not on a regular base.
Yes, prices are lower. We don't have preban problems or registered sears so prices are ok.
Example. A M240 will cost 5000 An 1919A4 will cost 1500 and a used FN UZI about 500
FAL's are relative expensive, about 1500-2000 in good condition.
The FN BAR Mod is good for 1000-1200

I think it is 1/10 th the price in the US, so my collection is 10x more fun as your budget
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Well, over here an M240 will cost $85,000, but it's not an original. It would have to be a kit built up on a registered aftermarket receiver. An 1919A4 will cost $15,000 and a used UZI about $6000, and neither of those would be original guns either. An original FN or Isreali UZI would be $25,000 pretty easily.

FAL's about $15,000 which is actually not that bad.
You're looking at $20-25,000 for an aftermarket US BAR with an original running $5000 more and up. As for the FN-D, I've never seen a transferable original, but a reweld would be in the $30,000 range. We pay as much for parts kits as you're paying for live firearms.

Still think the overall deal is better here.
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I think i would be millionair in the US

So you think you'r better of in the US?
Ok, you have great shootingranges, and yes you can shoot all day.
But the prices? OMG
I'd rather have 50 machineguns and shoot'm twice a year...
In semi, we can also shoot everyday.
I'm actual planning to get some .50M2's WO2 dated. It would be a great christmas gift i'll guess

Choises...
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paco, thank you for posting the photos of your enviable collection. You are a true connoisseur of fine weaponry.
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I've not had one apart. What's with the gear?
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Would that have to do with the two cyclic rates of fire?
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Yes, it's a rate reducer. I've owned one for a dozen years(and kits for ten years prior to that)and I still don't understand how it works. FN-D is one of the coolest 'unknown' weapons of all time.
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Beautiful collection Paco, thanks for posting those pics. I'm still working on doing a semi build...those pics help!
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Paco,

Thank you so much for sharing your collection and the care in which you photographed these guns that are unobtainable here.

At the risk of alienating a few of my countrymen, giving up range time whenever I want to own unmolested examples of these weapons probably works for me. As busy as I stay with life, I probably only shoot my rifles a couple of times a year.

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