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Old January 29, 2011, 21:14   #1
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L1A1 Bayonet

I picked up a L1A1 Bayonet from DSA some time back. I am looking for the Frog or it. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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Old January 29, 2011, 23:34   #2
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Try Patrick, aka member SLR-5000. He has a website:

http://www.SAFLithgow.com

IIRC, I got one from him some time back.
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Old January 30, 2011, 00:25   #3
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Thanks I well give him a call Monday
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Old January 30, 2011, 02:44   #4
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Well, really if you want it to be correct, it will all depend on what type of bayonet you have and and what you want to represent.

There are various Australian, British and Canadian frogs used with the bayonets.

Is your bayonet Australian or British?

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Old February 04, 2011, 19:06   #5
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I bought a bayonet for my build, an L1A3, and went with this frog:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=214439221

Would this be correct?
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Old February 04, 2011, 19:37   #6
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I bought a bayonet for my build, an L1A3, and went with this frog:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=214439221

Would this be correct?
Basically NO. Thats an Australian Frog from 1981



If your after a BRITISH Frog for the L1A3 Bayonet then you would need something like THIS:


or any of these depending on what period you want:
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Old February 04, 2011, 19:45   #7
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Damn....well, it looks like I need a later pattern 58 from 1977. Guess I'll need to look around some. At least the Aussie frog did not break the bank! Thanks for your help.
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Old February 04, 2011, 19:49   #8
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Damn....well, it looks like I need a later pattern 58 from 1977. Guess I'll need to look around some. At least the Aussie frog did not break the bank! Thanks for your help.
Now all you need is an Aussie L1A2 bayonet for the frog.... then a rifle..... then a ....
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Old February 04, 2011, 19:56   #9
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You Brit bayonet's reputation and value can only IMPROVE through it's association with the Aussie frog .. Much like Kiwis that move to Australia....
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Old February 04, 2011, 20:27   #10
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Hell, I've got enough problems just finding the Arctic Kit! I almost bought an all matching Aussie L1A1, but I found it after I got the Brit version. Oh well...mabey another day.

As for the frog...I'm sure the Aussie version is good to go, but the bayonet I'm getting is new in the wrap, so it needs a late model Brit frog to complete the package. Any ideas where to find a late model??
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Hell, I've got enough problems just finding the Arctic Kit! I almost bought an all matching Aussie L1A1, but I found it after I got the Brit version. Oh well...mabey another day.

As for the frog...I'm sure the Aussie version is good to go, but the bayonet I'm getting is new in the wrap, so it needs a late model Brit frog to complete the package. Any ideas where to find a late model??
NIW means nothing, all equipment was routinely unwrapped, inspected and re-wrapped and put back in storage. When you open the bayonet up check what date is stamped on the blade and then you can go from there to sort out the 'correct' frog. But really any British frog would do, a frog is a frog in Service and the QM didn't care what model of frog you go so long as it was serviceable.

This is why in the NZ Army we still issue WW1/WW2 wire cutters !
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Old February 04, 2011, 21:19   #12
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Makes sense to me. If I understand what I was reading on the L1A1 bayonet, the L1A3 was the final version which had several improvments. In any case, what are the years of manufacture for this type?
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There are 4 models of bayonets
L1A1
L1A2
L1A3
L1A4

L1A1/L1A2 bayonets were authorised for service right from the start in 1957, then the L1A3/L1A4 bayonets were authorised for service in 1959.

L1A1 / L1A3 Bayonets are the same.

L1A2 / L1A4 Bayonets are the same.


How's that you say?????

The L1A3 and L1A4 were upgraded bayonets, with modified (recessed catches).

The difference between L1A1 and L1A2 bayonets is the way the blade edge is cut.

At this stage the latest bayonet I've seen is a L1A4 dated 1973
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Old February 05, 2011, 04:19   #14
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Thanks again...I was wondering. I'll take some pics when mine gets here.
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Now I have a question about my Bato? The blade is marked 58D or E. The grips are marked L1A3 9600257 D65. Or whatever the D or E is? The Ds and Es or one letter. They look like the D was stamped first and the E was an afterthought.
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Old February 06, 2011, 21:51   #16
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Now I have a question about my Bato? The blade is marked 58D or E. The grips are marked L1A3 9600257 D65. Or whatever the D or E is? The Ds and Es or one letter. They look like the D was stamped first and the E was an afterthought.

Bayonet is a L1A3 model
ED or 'D' is the EnfielD Logo
9600257 is the part number (NSN 1005-99-9600-0257)
Blade was made in 1958 (58D).
Grips were made in 1965 (D65).


There are two possibilities here.

FIRST. Are there any other markings on the bayonet such as at the back of the pommel, something like: L1A3 0257 ?

Are the grips marked D /|\ L1A1 960-0011 D /|\ on one side and L1A3 9609257 D65 on the other ?


IF this is the case then your bayonet was originally an L1A1 model bayonet that has been converted in 1965 to the L1A3 model (recessed bayonet catch).


OR. its had the grips replaced sometime after 1965 because they were damaged.
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Old February 06, 2011, 22:35   #17
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Bayonet is a L1A3 model
ED or 'D' is the EnfielD Logo
9600257 is the part number (NSN 1005-99-9600-0257)
Blade was made in 1958 (58D).
Grips were made in 1965 (D65).


There are two possibilities here.

FIRST. Are there any other markings on the bayonet such as at the back of the pommel, something like: L1A3 0257 ?

Are the grips marked D /|\ L1A1 960-0011 D /|\ on one side and L1A3 9609257 D65 on the other ?

IF this is the case then your bayonet was originally an L1A1 model bayonet that has been converted in 1965 to the L1A3 model (recessed bayonet catch).

OR. its had the grips replaced sometime after 1965 because they were damaged.

Are there any other markings on the bayonet such as at the back of the pommel, something like: L1A3 0257 ?
No markings on the pommel at all, front or back or sides.

Are the grips marked D /|\ L1A1 960-0011 D /|\ on one side and L1A3 9609257 D65 on the other ?
No, Just the what I mentioned, none of those other marks.

IF this is the case then your bayonet was originally an L1A1 model bayonet that has been converted in 1965 to the L1A3 model (recessed bayonet catch).
It has the recess button hole.

OR. its had the grips replaced sometime after 1965 because they were damaged.
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Old February 10, 2011, 20:09   #18
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Here is the bayonet I received. Looks like it was made in 1962, and at some point, was possibly refurbished and put into storage. The sheath looks brand new, and came wrapped up in a tough grease impregnated wrap.


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Slightly OT, Kev...

You ALREADY have the L1A1 buttstock/ belt pouch!!
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