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Old June 16, 2008, 11:50   #1
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Steyr serial numbers

Does anyone of you know were I can find a list of Steyr numbers?
I wanna know when my Stg58 was made and were it was issued.

I remember such a list from a few years back when I had my winchester M-14.

we found a list and it mentioned my M-14 being made in either '63 or '64,
cant remember right now.

is there such a list for steyr?
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Old June 16, 2008, 16:15   #2
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my toy by the way:





















and my old toy, shame i sold her some years ago.

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Old June 17, 2008, 01:08   #3
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Old June 17, 2008, 10:59   #4
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so does anybody know how to determine my fal's age?
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The first 20,000 StG58 were made by FN with deliveries beginning in 1958.

Steyr production was transitional- in other words, they used FN parts for some time.

So figure if your S/N is under 20,000 then it's FN; otherwise, Steyr. I have lower number 20178.
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Old June 17, 2008, 17:00   #6
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Mine's 189xx, so that would be FN. Hmmm, and here I thought I had a Steyr barrel on this. How do the FN barrels stack up, quality-wise, against Steyr?
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Old June 17, 2008, 20:03   #7
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Mine's 189xx, so that would be FN. Hmmm, and here I thought I had a Steyr barrel on this. How do the FN barrels stack up, quality-wise, against Steyr?


Well, I've not been completely satisfied that Steyr did not start again at S/N 0001. That said, my 20,178 sure shows signs of, let's say, imperfected production.

The question is: who has a matching StG58 barrel and lower, with the barrel having the Steyr mark?
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Old June 17, 2008, 20:31   #8
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Steyr barrels are highly regarded as among the best, but I wouldn't worry about your Herstal barrel if I were you. FN knew a little about that sort of thing

Besides, look at it this way: you own the rarer variant !! Be advised that as a Herstal build, you rifle originally had a type C wood buttstock, I believe.
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Old June 17, 2008, 21:00   #9
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Steyr barrels are highly regarded as among the best, but I wouldn't worry about your Herstal barrel if I were you. FN knew a little about that sort of thing

Besides, look at it this way: you own the rarer variant !! Be advised that as a Herstal build, you rifle originally had a type C wood buttstock, I believe.
Good to know. I've got plans to put a type C on it (it has the synth stock now) at some point. Probably next year after I can't afford to buy ammo (or the Democrats won't let me) anymore.

I'll try to post pics of my barrel markings, if I can get them to come out clear enough. The rifle was sold to me as having a Steyr barrel, but I don't know enough about markings to know whether it is or not.
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I have a all matching and all original stg, that includes the barrel being made by steyr.
with the steyr stamps on it.

I was told the reason for steyr being the best barrel is because they are the only ones out there that are cold hammerd.

I'll try to look up my serial number today.



btw, the only thing thats not original is that they killed the full auto mode.
not allowed to have a full auto rifle.

they cut something in two, that would prolly be the safety sear.
and they welded something that was supposed to act as a slot for the sear to fall in?
its not the reciever, its just parts, havent really looked into it yet.

same as my old M-14, they just removed the selector from the side.
buy a new (illegal to own) selector and you can rock and roll.
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Old June 18, 2008, 07:18   #11
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Quote:
Originally posted by Abominog
The first 20,000 StG58 were made by FN with deliveries beginning in 1958.

Steyr production was transitional- in other words, they used FN parts for some time.

So figure if your S/N is under 20,000 then it's FN; otherwise, Steyr. I have lower number 20178.
my serial is: 157.6xx
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Old June 30, 2008, 15:55   #12
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Old June 30, 2008, 19:22   #13
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For what it's worth, I have 1567xx...

It was a new rifle when 'kitized,' and I purchased the kit from DSA (all numbers match and the barrel is numbered and includes the Steyr trademark)...

Neither the bore or chamber are chromed (although they look like it because they're so beautiful).

For what it's worth...

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just for the record.,
I'm talking Steyr Austria
not steyr import usa something.
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Old July 01, 2008, 17:37   #15
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just for the record.,
I'm talking Steyr Austria
not steyr import usa something.
Just for the record, I was talking Steyr Austria too...

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Old July 02, 2008, 06:13   #16
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I just noticed that the StG receiver is a Type III. The fact that Steyr made Type III receivers is new to me.
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Old July 02, 2008, 10:56   #17
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I just noticed that the StG receiver is a Type III. The fact that Steyr made Type III receivers is new to me.
Currently, I have four rifles built on StG-58 'kits,' from rifles in the 72,000, 131,000, 142,000 and 156,000 serial number ranges...

These were all new rifles when made into kits, with the receiver stub still attached to the barrel.

Your comment made me go to the drawer and pull the receiver/barrel stubs out (yes, being anally retentive, I save shit like that. Unfortunately, taking every step to avoid being Bubba's butt-buddy, I tossed the center sections. Bummer that I don't also have them to compare now).

Of these four receiver stubs, two are Type I, one is a Type II and one sure looks like a Type III. Of course, all I really have to go by is the way that the flat on the side is ended as it reaches the receiver ring, or extends to the front of the receiver.

I never noticed the difference in them until now either.

Since I didn't mark any of them with the rifle's serial number, I have no idea which receiver stub came from which rifle.

For what it's worth.

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Old July 04, 2008, 14:16   #18
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so does anybody know what year Steyr stopped producing and which serial number range there were in at the time?

I have 157xxx as you can see in the pics.
would this be an early stg or one of the later/last ones built by steyr?

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so does anybody know what year Steyr stopped producing and which serial number range there were in at the time?

I have 157xxx as you can see in the pics.
would this be an early stg or one of the later/last ones built by steyr?
If it fits the military serial number range, and I have no reason to suspect that it doesn't, it's one of those produced near the end of the production run...

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If it fits the military serial number range, and I have no reason to suspect that it doesn't, it's one of those produced near the end of the production run...

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would you happen to know more about the number range?
where did it end for instance?
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Old July 05, 2008, 10:38   #21
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Robert,

Because you're receiver is a type 3, we do know those types were beginning to be manufactured in 1973. I've seen a type 2 receiver with a serial number in the 129,000 series of numbers and this type was generally used from 1962 to 1973. With the introduction of the StG77( AUG) as the first line Austrian military rifle in 1977, we would guess that production of the StG-58 ceased.

If one was to do the math between 1958 and 1976 divided by 177,000 units we might surmise that on the average 9316 per year were manufactured.

If that's the case, the math results would be:

1958=9316
1959=18632
1960=27948
1961=37264
1962=46580
1963=55896
1964=65212
1965=74528
1966=83844
1967=93160
1968=102476
1969=111792
1970=121108
1971=130424
1972=139740
1973=149076
1974=158372
1975=167688
1976=177004


This is purely conjecture on my part and your best route to take for this info may be to contact DS Arms. They bought Steyrs tooling,drawings and spares for the StG58 and probably have the information you seek.

Did you check the barrel for the marking raspeguy mentioned?...perhaps that is a date code of sorts and would be interesting to know.
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Got me thinking. Looked at my FAL. Built on a Stg58 kit bought at Knobb Creek from DSA years back. 14,4XX with all matching numbers in excellent condition. Finish looks like it is blued. It is now on an Imbel receiver.

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Mine looks to be a FN as it has the Belgian marking of a crown over E LG close to the chamber.



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I've got al the markings photographed now:
so can anybody narrow it down to a couple of years?











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can somebody tell me more by looking at the markings?
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im not up on the Steyr markings but my first kit gun thats rebuilt on a Imbel reciever appears to be a early model STG-58. it has all FN proofs along with the Serial # 8967, nothing else after the number. its also my best shooter so we take real good care of it.
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This has been a very informative thread, based on this thread, my FAL must be a stg58 made in or around 1960-61.

My barrel looks very bright, like it could be chrome lined but the chamber doesn't really look like it's chromed. Were these barrels normaly chromed during that time frame?
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Old July 21, 2008, 21:05   #28
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I'm confused.

If it's broad arrow marked, it's FN made, right?

But it also say on the right side made by SDP.


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I was under the impression that the "broad arrow" was a British marking.
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this is getting complicated.,
anybody with definitive answers?


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Now, that's what we're looking for- and exactly what I thought. Except why would it say SDP licensed from FN?

So Steyr, though capable of Type I and II receiver production (as well as everything else) elected, even years into production, to source from FN.
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Old October 28, 2008, 22:13   #32
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I've got a KAL 7.62 all matching kit #50,451. Date marked 61. No Steyr logo.

From another post elsewhere on the files:
"Kit Ser # 83XXX, reciever stub had a little "63" on it, I'm guessing thats the production year."

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I've got a KAL 7.62 all matching kit #50,451. Date marked 61. No Steyr logo.

From another post elsewhere on the files:
"Kit Ser # 83XXX, reciever stub had a little "63" on it, I'm guessing thats the production year."
That's interesting, because I have an all-matching numbers StG kit (lower, bolt, carrier, and barrel) that is number 118XXX. The receiver stub is still on it, and these are the markings. Last number is 59, which would put it as a very early receiver.
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barrel markings of StG 118XXX are here:
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Good point - makes sense. Thanks for the help.

Must be a left-coaster, or you are up late? I PMed you for some help. Thanks!

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Abominog Now, that's what we're looking for- and exactly what I thought. Except why would it say SDP licensed from FN?
Maybe FN suplimented the Austrian production?
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Excellent thread- this is the FAL files at it's finest.

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About the SN and date of production

I just got a matching number Austrian StG. It has date stamp on the stub and the barrel.

it was made in 1962 and SN is 62730. so accoring to the list it its SN is to early for the date.

1958=9316
1959=18632
1960=27948
1961=37264
1962=46580 mine is 62730 Austrian Blued finish synthetic stock TYPE 1 reciver
1963=55896
1964=65212
1965=74528
1966=83844
1967=93160
1968=102476
1969=111792
1970=121108
1971=130424
1972=139740 also #142641 Austrian bbl, full chrome bbl marks: steyr 7.62x51 StLf 3
1973=149076
1974=158372
1975=167688
1976=177004

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Estimated year of production based on serial numbers/date codes:

20,000-37,000 =1958-1959
37,001 to 50,000 = 1960
50,001 to 58,600 = 1961
58601 to 72,000 = 1962
72,001 to 82,000 = 1963
82,001 to ? = 1964

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Data.......

1960 - 37,xxx
1960 - 43,305
1961 - 50,451
1961 - 58,xxx
1962 - 58,6xx and 62,730
1963 - 72,466
1963 - 75,xxx
1964 - 82,xxx

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Im interested in when the the recivers under went thier changes from 1,2,3
Also when varriations in the stock were introduced.
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Old November 01, 2008, 23:14   #42
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63 s/n 80164 with kal 7.62 m/m
can anybody id the markings as to manufacturer ?
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Old November 02, 2008, 15:19   #43
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Eightball, that is almost identical to mine. My barrel serial number is 72466, and it has a date of 63. To answer your question, it should be a Steyr, and a great barrel from what I have read.
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If one was to do the math between 1958 and 1976 divided by 177,000 units we might surmise that on the average 9316 per year were manufactured.

If that's the case, the math results would be:

1958=9316
1959=18632
1960=27948
1961=37264
1962=46580
1963=55896
1964=65212
1965=74528
1966=83844
1967=93160
1968=102476
1969=111792
1970=121108
1971=130424
1972=139740
1973=149076
1974=158372
1975=167688
1976=177004
Not bad Mark. Serial no. 147, 867. Dated 1973 ("73")

Anyway, here are barrel markings. Date is under handguard ring.

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Appears that RobertGTti's lower is Belgian type II. Check out where the buttstock mates to the lower. On an Austrian receiver, the "ridge" below the rear sight should match up with the buttstock. Below is a pick on my Austrian Type I lower matched to Austrian buttstock.

Interesting that my kit is only 10K behind RobertGTti's, but does not exhibit type II characteristics or FN parts.

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I "think" mine is an STG-58. SN#35,0XX and it has a date code of 60 on the barrel.
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Old December 10, 2008, 14:36   #47
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About the SN and date of production

I just got a matching number Austrian StG. It has date stamp on the stub and the barrel.

it was made in 1962 and SN is 62730. so accoring to the list it its SN is to early for the date.

1958=9316
1959=18632
1960=27948
1961=37264
1962=46580 mine is 62730 Austrian Blued finish synthetic stock TYPE 1 reciver
1963=55896
1964=65212
1965=74528
1966=83844
1967=93160
1968=102476
1969=111792
1970=121108
1971=130424
1972=139740
1973=149076
1974=158372
1975=167688
1976=177004

I have a 61' that is serial number 58,XXX

I don't know what the different marking on the barrel mean, though. It does say 7.62KAL and then has several stamps and a 61' stamp.
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My stg 58, 3 out of 4 matching # kit, 36,6xx, barrel marking identical to eightball's and is stamped 60,(for 1960?)
Question; chrome chamber? Barrel? I can't tell.
Also, no steyer circle stamp. FN maybe?
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number 98166 long gas tube,762 x 51 vol 140 marked.steyer circle stamp marked.
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Old September 29, 2009, 21:43   #50
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STG #41,1XX is marked 1960
STG #58,6XX is marked 1962

Anyone know what year/number the Steyr's were hammer forged?

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