K31 urban legend?

rpk74dr · December 21, 2003, 18:04

I would like to add a Swiss K31 to my toybox.But it seems like everytime I bring up my interest in one at the local shows I keep hearing the same story about some poor SOB at the range who chambered a followup round and a out of battery discharge occured peeling back his thumb nearly ripping it off and the bolt making him a candidate for facial reconstructive surgery after being toted of by EMS.Is this BS or did this take place.K31'a are sweet but it's kind of hard to eat M&M's without teeth.

'TUDE · December 21, 2003, 18:10

I have only seen of one K31 issue but that was a fluke. I believe it was on gunboards a year or more ago that had a bolt break but no harm was caused.

I would have no problem shouldering a K31 with the proper inspection done prior. The design and craftsmanship is superior in my opinion to all other straight pull rifles. It really has a solid lug lockup that is unequaled and assures a safe lifetime of shooting.

gunnut1 · December 21, 2003, 18:35

I post on three different Swiss rifle board and I have never read of a KB with a K31. The way the action is built it would be very difficult to have an OOB dicharge with one. If the bolt is not ALL the way home, it will not fire.

These guys can answer all of you K31 question probably better than anyone here.

Swiss Rifles board

And try these guys.

Nother Swiss rifle board.

And these guys.

Yet anohter Swiss rilfe board

Don't be afraid to register and post. These are a great bunch of guys.

Blood of Tyrants · December 21, 2003, 19:17

The K31 is designed so that it will not fire OOB. If the serial number on the bolt is not all the way to the 12 o'clock position, it will not fire.

Jacobite · December 21, 2003, 19:25

Is the 7.5x55 swiss the brass for the K-31 that graff sells?

gunnut1 · December 21, 2003, 19:28

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Is the 7.5x55 swiss the brass for the K-31 that graff sells?

Yep!

But again. There have been some reloading issues with reloads. Seems the K31 is VERY sensitive to OAL. Nothing that can't be over come.

Jacobite · December 21, 2003, 19:31

Don't sound like any thing a case trimmer and finding bullet seating depth should not sure right? I am thinking about getting a K-31 as I think they are very unique and already reload so it is no problem to get the dies. Being I own 5 rifles that shoot .308 bullets I have enough different ones to try.

RufusG · December 21, 2003, 20:20

The bolt on a K31 is a marvel of engineering and manufacturing. Take one apart and see how it works, it's beautiful. On one of the Swiss boards there is a question asked by me, answered by "Parashooter", explaining why a K31 cannot fire out of battery, if you care to search.

masman · December 21, 2003, 20:30

they might be confusing the k-31 with another staight pull.i belive that a guy that worked at sarco was killed last year shooting one(a ross i think)

'TUDE · December 21, 2003, 20:52

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Originally posted by masman
they might be confusing the k-31 with another staight pull.i belive that a guy that worked at sarco was killed last year shooting one(a ross i think)

It was a straight pull but not a K31.
Glenn Deruitter (owner of SARCO) was firing a Lee Navy straight pull 6mm at a PA range, late June last year when the rifle exploded sending shrapnel into him and severing an artery. Sad loss for the shooting community and his family.

Clark · December 21, 2003, 21:57

I have a few K31's.
They are very good guns, and I would let my kids shoot one.
I would put the craftsmanship in the same catagory as Swedish Mausers.

They do take more force to close the action when there is a handload going into the chamber than when dry firing.

When the action is not fully into battery, and I pull the trigger, I get a click, but no bang. Then I remember to slam the bolt forward, pull the bolt back, slam it hard, and it goes bang when I pull the trigger.

If you want to talk about a guns that is a P.O.S., I have a LUX in .222 that I bought simply because it was such a terrible design, and I wanted more time to laugh at it. The only thing that locks the action is the bolt handle in a slot and it will fire when the handle is not in the slot. Cheap 22 rimfire action with a centerfire cartridge.

I paid more for the LUX than the K31s.

jimbeam · December 22, 2003, 09:39

My hammer will fall when the bolt is forward but isn't fully rotated. When It does fall the bolt will rotate into the locked position. Is this normal?

Steggo · December 22, 2003, 12:57

Yes, its normal. Like a Mauser, the pin can only go all the way forward if the bolt is properly aligned. If its out of alignment the pin hits abutments in the bolt that prevent it from going all the way forward. The impact will drive the bolt body forward. Its a basic safety mechanism.

**lex** · December 22, 2003, 13:13

There's a great english version of the Swiss Army manual for the K 31 that you might find helpful. Its got lots of pictures. Go to: http://www.swissrifles.com/sr/englis...k31_manual.pdf It's a rather large file but well worth the wait.

Lex

Flagbearer · December 22, 2003, 15:21

I can't believe that a K31 would do anything but make a shooter fall in love with it. That is the best bolt action rifle I own or have ever shot. If only the ammo was cheaper I would never go to the range without it. I saw an older version that has a 12 round mag in nice condition(it was sporterized though) and had a bakalite handle. Was asking $165.

December 21, 2003, 18:04	#1
rpk74dr Registered FALaholic #: 7901 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 890	K31 urban legend? I would like to add a Swiss K31 to my toybox.But it seems like everytime I bring up my interest in one at the local shows I keep hearing the same story about some poor SOB at the range who chambered a followup round and a out of battery discharge occured peeling back his thumb nearly ripping it off and the bolt making him a candidate for facial reconstructive surgery after being toted of by EMS.Is this BS or did this take place.K31'a are sweet but it's kind of hard to eat M&M's without teeth.

December 21, 2003, 18:10	#2
'TUDE Registered FALaholic #: 704 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: N.Texas Posts: 6,491	I have only seen of one K31 issue but that was a fluke. I believe it was on gunboards a year or more ago that had a bolt break but no harm was caused. I would have no problem shouldering a K31 with the proper inspection done prior. The design and craftsmanship is superior in my opinion to all other straight pull rifles. It really has a solid lug lockup that is unequaled and assures a safe lifetime of shooting. __________________ http://smokefreequitmeter.com/index....nner/39345.png [/url]

December 21, 2003, 18:35	#3
gunnut1 Moderator Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 1877 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The great Republic of Texas USA!!!!! Posts: 10,428	I post on three different Swiss rifle board and I have never read of a KB with a K31. The way the action is built it would be very difficult to have an OOB dicharge with one. If the bolt is not ALL the way home, it will not fire. These guys can answer all of you K31 question probably better than anyone here. Swiss Rifles board And try these guys. Nother Swiss rifle board. And these guys. Yet anohter Swiss rilfe board Don't be afraid to register and post. These are a great bunch of guys. __________________ Texas, it's a state of mind!!!! The human race is not the pinnacle of evolution. We are but one evolutionary out come.

December 21, 2003, 19:17	#4
Blood of Tyrants Registered FALaholic #: 1244 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 2,843	The K31 is designed so that it will not fire OOB. If the serial number on the bolt is not all the way to the 12 o'clock position, it will not fire. __________________ From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson One day, in the not too distant future, good men and women like those that serve in Iraq, will decide that the United States isn't worth fighting for and the blame will be squarely on the shoulders of the DemocRat Party.

December 21, 2003, 19:25	#5
Jacobite Registered FALaholic #: 9675 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southwestern, PA. Posts: 48	Is the 7.5x55 swiss the brass for the K-31 that graff sells? __________________ Don Nelson "The sweetest sound to a warrior is the song of fine steel."

December 21, 2003, 19:31	#7
Jacobite Registered FALaholic #: 9675 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southwestern, PA. Posts: 48	Don't sound like any thing a case trimmer and finding bullet seating depth should not sure right? I am thinking about getting a K-31 as I think they are very unique and already reload so it is no problem to get the dies. Being I own 5 rifles that shoot .308 bullets I have enough different ones to try. __________________ Don Nelson "The sweetest sound to a warrior is the song of fine steel."

December 21, 2003, 20:20	#8
RufusG Registered FALaholic #: 2881 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: PA Posts: 177	The bolt on a K31 is a marvel of engineering and manufacturing. Take one apart and see how it works, it's beautiful. On one of the Swiss boards there is a question asked by me, answered by "Parashooter", explaining why a K31 cannot fire out of battery, if you care to search. __________________ RufusG

December 21, 2003, 20:30	#9
masman Registered FALaholic #: 781 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 5,652	they might be confusing the k-31 with another staight pull.i belive that a guy that worked at sarco was killed last year shooting one(a ross i think) __________________ somethings wrong with the world when the best rapper is white.the best golfer is black.the french think that the us is arrogant and the germans don't want to go to war

December 21, 2003, 21:57	#11
Clark Registered FALaholic #: 1213 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 750	I have a few K31's. They are very good guns, and I would let my kids shoot one. I would put the craftsmanship in the same catagory as Swedish Mausers. They do take more force to close the action when there is a handload going into the chamber than when dry firing. When the action is not fully into battery, and I pull the trigger, I get a click, but no bang. Then I remember to slam the bolt forward, pull the bolt back, slam it hard, and it goes bang when I pull the trigger. If you want to talk about a guns that is a P.O.S., I have a LUX in .222 that I bought simply because it was such a terrible design, and I wanted more time to laugh at it. The only thing that locks the action is the bolt handle in a slot and it will fire when the handle is not in the slot. Cheap 22 rimfire action with a centerfire cartridge. I paid more for the LUX than the K31s.

December 22, 2003, 09:39	#12
jimbeam Registered FALaholic #: 7203 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SC Posts: 475	My hammer will fall when the bolt is forward but isn't fully rotated. When It does fall the bolt will rotate into the locked position. Is this normal?

December 22, 2003, 12:57	#13
Steggo Registered FALaholic #: 6689 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 343	Yes, its normal. Like a Mauser, the pin can only go all the way forward if the bolt is properly aligned. If its out of alignment the pin hits abutments in the bolt that prevent it from going all the way forward. The impact will drive the bolt body forward. Its a basic safety mechanism.

December 22, 2003, 13:13	#14
lex Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6840 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 31	K-31 Manual - Great pictures There's a great english version of the Swiss Army manual for the K 31 that you might find helpful. Its got lots of pictures. Go to: http://www.swissrifles.com/sr/englis...k31_manual.pdf It's a rather large file but well worth the wait. Lex

December 22, 2003, 15:21	#15
Flagbearer Registered FALaholic #: 12729 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 18	I can't believe that a K31 would do anything but make a shooter fall in love with it. That is the best bolt action rifle I own or have ever shot. If only the ammo was cheaper I would never go to the range without it. I saw an older version that has a 12 round mag in nice condition(it was sporterized though) and had a bakalite handle. Was asking $165. __________________ Someone needs to tell this administration that the 2nd Amendment is not the only liberty we want protected! Anyone but Bush in 2004.

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