American Eagle vs. Lawman vs. PMC

Tony. · December 16, 2003, 14:18

Question for everyone here. If you can get a case of the following case delivered at the following prices, what would you get?

American Eagle (Federal) 230g .45 ACP - $219
Lawman (Speer/CCI) 230g .45 ACP - $219
PMC 230g .45 ACP - $209 until 12/25, $219 thereafter

While I know that any choice would make for quality range ammo, I am more concerend with the future reloadability of the cases. I am secondarily concerned with clean burning and hard/soft primers.

Muggzy · December 16, 2003, 14:25

..and Fiocchi 230gr @ $219 per 1000rds geez...sorry 'bout the size of the pic

gunseller · December 17, 2003, 19:55

As much as I like the 44 Mag. American Eagle ammo I have seen Federal cases fail in 45 Colt so I would rule out American Eagle. From my experance Lawman may not shoot as well as PMC. I beleive that the cases are equal for reloading. If you can find Magtec ammo it seems to shoot the best of cheaper 45 auto ammo. Using Magtec I was able to put 21 rounds into a 2 1/4 inch group at 25 yards. I have never been able to do this with any other factory ammo. This was with a stock Auto Ordance.
Gunseller

pb · December 18, 2003, 08:06

I would not reload the American Eagle.

All A E I have seen has a very thin web at the botom of the case. This should be used only once.

This stuff should be Berdan primed to prevent reloading.

Ranman1942 · December 20, 2003, 12:01

I have had good luck with both AM eagle and PMC , never failed to go boom .
Never really tested the accuracy preciously but both always seemed ok .
I don't reload so don't know about the brass possibilities .

Am eagle is on sale right now at Natchez shooters supply .
case price on 20 boxes is $167 . plus shipping .

hydrotx · December 20, 2003, 15:36

For comparision:
Century has
PMP One 500 rd. case = $85.00
Hotshot 500 rd Case = $65.00
Both are boxer, brass and reloadeable AFAIK

add 12.50 for shipping on orders under $500

noharmnoFAL · December 21, 2003, 13:25

What are you shooting it in?

I have never had any problem with loading AE. I have found severial split Speer/Lawman cases. This is usually but mot limited to nickel cases. For quite some time PMC had an incorrect OAL and would not feed reliably in 1911's but glocks sigs ect. would eat the crap out of it . The later lots I have tried have worked fine. Reloading PMC is the problem for me. I have never had a proble with it but a guy I shoot IPSC with had two consecutive round that he loaded sepearate at the base leaving half of the neck in the chamber. I always try to check my PMC and only use it now for practice. I am starting to sell once fired brass and if you need some let me know (shameless plug

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December 16, 2003, 14:18	#1
Tony. Registered FALaholic #: 755 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 682	American Eagle vs. Lawman vs. PMC Question for everyone here. If you can get a case of the following case delivered at the following prices, what would you get? American Eagle (Federal) 230g .45 ACP - $219 Lawman (Speer/CCI) 230g .45 ACP - $219 PMC 230g .45 ACP - $209 until 12/25, $219 thereafter While I know that any choice would make for quality range ammo, I am more concerend with the future reloadability of the cases. I am secondarily concerned with clean burning and hard/soft primers.

December 20, 2003, 12:01	#5
Ranman1942 Registered FALaholic #: 10432 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: North IN Posts: 174	I have had good luck with both AM eagle and PMC , never failed to go boom . Never really tested the accuracy preciously but both always seemed ok . I don't reload so don't know about the brass possibilities . Am eagle is on sale right now at Natchez shooters supply . case price on 20 boxes is $167 . plus shipping . __________________ Bread and Circuses for all .

December 20, 2003, 15:36	#6
hydrotx Registered FALaholic #: 37 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: PA for now Posts: 1,414	For comparision: Century has PMP One 500 rd. case = $85.00 Hotshot 500 rd Case = $65.00 Both are boxer, brass and reloadeable AFAIK add 12.50 for shipping on orders under $500 __________________ "The drinking will continue until morale improves"

December 21, 2003, 13:25	#7
noharmnoFAL Registered FALaholic #: 9505 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 118	What are you shooting it in? I have never had any problem with loading AE. I have found severial split Speer/Lawman cases. This is usually but mot limited to nickel cases. For quite some time PMC had an incorrect OAL and would not feed reliably in 1911's but glocks sigs ect. would eat the crap out of it . The later lots I have tried have worked fine. Reloading PMC is the problem for me. I have never had a proble with it but a guy I shoot IPSC with had two consecutive round that he loaded sepearate at the base leaving half of the neck in the chamber. I always try to check my PMC and only use it now for practice. I am starting to sell once fired brass and if you need some let me know (shameless plug ) __________________ HQ Brass

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December 17, 2003, 19:55	#3
gunseller Registered FALaholic #: 10120 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,458	As much as I like the 44 Mag. American Eagle ammo I have seen Federal cases fail in 45 Colt so I would rule out American Eagle. From my experance Lawman may not shoot as well as PMC. I beleive that the cases are equal for reloading. If you can find Magtec ammo it seems to shoot the best of cheaper 45 auto ammo. Using Magtec I was able to put 21 rounds into a 2 1/4 inch group at 25 yards. I have never been able to do this with any other factory ammo. This was with a stock Auto Ordance. Gunseller

December 18, 2003, 08:06	#4
pb Registered FALaholic #: 6163 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Goliad TX Posts: 336	I would not reload the American Eagle. All A E I have seen has a very thin web at the botom of the case. This should be used only once. This stuff should be Berdan primed to prevent reloading.