US PARTS COUNT FOR AK?

NagantNut · October 16, 2003, 11:34

How many US made parts must I install on a AK build in order for it to be 922r compliant?

AliYahu · October 16, 2003, 11:48

I think 5-6, one less than a FAL because there isn't an "operating rod"
FSE h/t/s + K-VAR US furniture set = 6 parts, enough to use a foreign muzzle device.

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madhatter · October 16, 2003, 11:57

5 for a stamped and 4 for milled w/o brakes ..+1 if your puting a brake that's not USA.

scattergun · October 16, 2003, 12:06

What is the count for using a US made milled recvr and slant brake(US or foreign)? Thanks

http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/firingl...s99_under1.jpg

madhatter · October 16, 2003, 13:07

a US made milled count as 1 so you only need 3 more with the usa brake.

Mouse · October 20, 2003, 13:09

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madhatter: a US made milled count as 1 so you only need 3 more with the usa brake

So if I understand this it takes 5 U.S. parts? You mentioned a milled receiver what about a U.S. stamped receiver? Is there any difference in the parts required if a stamped receiver is used?

madhatter · October 20, 2003, 13:27

a USA made receiver will count as 1 922r compliant part (milled or stamped). milled receiver need 4 usa part to be 922r compliant. and a stamped receiver needs 5 usa parts to be 922r compliant.

shortround · October 20, 2003, 13:48

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Originally posted by madhatter
a USA made receiver will count as 1 922r compliant part (milled or stamped). milled receiver need 4 usa part to be 922r compliant. and a stamped receiver needs 5 usa parts to be 922r compliant.

One more for the stamped because it has a trunnion that the milled doesn't.

Stamped = 5 + 1 if using a brake.

Milled = 4 + 1 if using a brake.

madhatter · October 20, 2003, 14:00

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Stamped = 5 + (1) if using a brake.

only if its not a USA made brake.

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Milled = 4 + (1) if using a brake.

only if its not a USA made brake.

shortround · October 20, 2003, 15:04

I think we're saying the same thing here:

Stamped = minimum of 5 total US parts if no brake, minimum 6 total US parts if
using a brake, any brake.

Milled = minimum of 4 total US parts if no brake, minimum 5 total US parts if
using a brake, any brake.

Common US parts available:

Receivers (stamped and milled)
Hammer
Trigger
Sear
Gas pistons
Brakes
Pistol grips
Handguards (both pieces only count as one together)
Buttstocks
Magazine followers
Magazine floor plates

madhatter · October 20, 2003, 16:25

mordecai · October 20, 2003, 18:14

Wasn't there some ATF ruling about modifying MAK90's in particular?

I'll go surfing for it, but I remember reading something....

Here it is (TG for Bardwell)
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...i_auto_faq.txt

Also be aware that you are not allowed one bad feature on an
imported gun, under section 922(r); while it may not become a
"semiautomatic assault weapon" (and violate section 922(v), below)
if you put a pistol grip stock set on your MAK-90 rifle, it will
have been assembled in violation of section 922(r); unless its
parts content is less than 11 of the listed parts being imported,
all the rest being USA made.

Note also that section 922(r) only bans "assembly", it is not
a crime to possess a weapon "assembled" in violation of this
section. However it may be subject to seizure and forfeiture, under
some circumstances, if ATF can show it was assembled in knowing or
willful violation of the Gun Control Act, under 18 U.S.C. section
924(d)(1), by clear and convincing evidence.

(I found the 2nd paragraph interesting....)

October 16, 2003, 11:34	#1
NagantNut Registered FALaholic #: 10483 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Pheonix, AZ Posts: 101	US PARTS COUNT FOR AK? How many US made parts must I install on a AK build in order for it to be 922r compliant? __________________ He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. Douglas Adams

October 16, 2003, 11:57	#3
madhatter Registered FALaholic #: 1822 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: woodbridge,va Posts: 317	5 for a stamped and 4 for milled w/o brakes ..+1 if your puting a brake that's not USA. __________________ "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" asked Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." --Lewis Carroll

October 16, 2003, 12:06	#4
scattergun Registered FALaholic #: 181 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: west tennessee Posts: 318	Stamped vs Milled rcvr What is the count for using a US made milled recvr and slant brake(US or foreign)? Thanks http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/firingl...s99_under1.jpg Last edited by scattergun; October 16, 2003 at 12:13.

October 16, 2003, 13:07	#5
madhatter Registered FALaholic #: 1822 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: woodbridge,va Posts: 317	a US made milled count as 1 so you only need 3 more with the usa brake. __________________ "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" asked Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." --Lewis Carroll

October 20, 2003, 13:27	#7
madhatter Registered FALaholic #: 1822 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: woodbridge,va Posts: 317	a USA made receiver will count as 1 922r compliant part (milled or stamped). milled receiver need 4 usa part to be 922r compliant. and a stamped receiver needs 5 usa parts to be 922r compliant. __________________ "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" asked Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." --Lewis Carroll

October 16, 2003, 11:48	#2
AliYahu Registered FALaholic #: 11084 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 1,330	I think 5-6, one less than a FAL because there isn't an "operating rod" FSE h/t/s + K-VAR US furniture set = 6 parts, enough to use a foreign muzzle device. A

October 20, 2003, 15:04	#10
shortround Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1503 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Southeast, MI, USA Posts: 2,799	I think we're saying the same thing here: Stamped = minimum of 5 total US parts if no brake, minimum 6 total US parts if using a brake, any brake. Milled = minimum of 4 total US parts if no brake, minimum 5 total US parts if using a brake, any brake. Common US parts available: Receivers (stamped and milled) Hammer Trigger Sear Gas pistons Brakes Pistol grips Handguards (both pieces only count as one together) Buttstocks Magazine followers Magazine floor plates __________________ Nostalgia: It's just not what it used to be. I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target. Someone asked if I was a procrastinator and I told them I wasn't sure but I'd get back with them tomorrow.

October 20, 2003, 16:25	#11
madhatter Registered FALaholic #: 1822 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: woodbridge,va Posts: 317	__________________ "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" asked Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." --Lewis Carroll

October 20, 2003, 18:14	#12
mordecai Registered FALaholic #: 1788 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: WA Posts: 297	Wasn't there some ATF ruling about modifying MAK90's in particular? I'll go surfing for it, but I remember reading something.... Here it is (TG for Bardwell) http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...i_auto_faq.txt Also be aware that you are not allowed one bad feature on an imported gun, under section 922(r); while it may not become a "semiautomatic assault weapon" (and violate section 922(v), below) if you put a pistol grip stock set on your MAK-90 rifle, it will have been assembled in violation of section 922(r); unless its parts content is less than 11 of the listed parts being imported, all the rest being USA made. Note also that section 922(r) only bans "assembly", it is not a crime to possess a weapon "assembled" in violation of this section. However it may be subject to seizure and forfeiture, under some circumstances, if ATF can show it was assembled in knowing or willful violation of the Gun Control Act, under 18 U.S.C. section 924(d)(1), by clear and convincing evidence. (I found the 2nd paragraph interesting....) __________________ To do is to be. - Descartes To be is to do. - Voltaire Do be do be do. - Frank Sinatra Last edited by mordecai; October 20, 2003 at 18:22.

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