Vanden Berg locking shoulders are correct now.

dougjones31 · August 27, 2003, 15:48

Here is a quote from another thread. I just wanted everyone to know that there is no need to adjust .002" when ordering Vanden Berg LS's now. Everyone needs to buy a LS from Ed and support him for doing what is right. Thanks Ed!

"The shoulders that I am producing now all have the locking surface cut at 12 degrees. The change was made as a response to demand.

This project (producing and marketing locking shoulders) was first conceived because there was a reasonable demand for and an undependable supply of locking shoulders for FAL/L1A1 rifles. There was also some considerable price "adjusting" taking place for some of the hard-to-find sizes. The information that I could gather from former armorers, who worked on FALs when they were doing their military service, suggested that 11 degrees was the correct angle.

General consensus from the membership of this board (and Doug Jones' research) contributed to the decision to make the change. Any businessman worth his salt will listen to his customers.

The difference in headspace that the 1 degree difference yields is 0.0017", about 0.002". There is no difference in safety or longevity of the service life of the part.

I have always stood behind my parts and services. If anyone has questions or problems, they are encouraged to email me, vandenbe@flash.net I have never turned anyone down who has asked me for help.

Thank you for your votes of confidence.

Respectfully,

Ed Vanden Berg
www.vandenbergcustom.com"

ratas calientes · August 27, 2003, 16:25

So, we couldn't end the last LS angle thread without it getting locked?

Quote:

Originally posted by dougjones31
...
The difference in headspace that the 1 degree difference yields is 0.0017", about 0.002". There is no difference in safety or longevity of the service life of the part.
...

I don't agree that there was no difference in the longevity of the part, but we'll save that for another day.

Later ya'll
- RC

Vanden Berg · August 28, 2003, 08:29

RC,

When you've worn one out, let me know.

E

rwwje · August 28, 2003, 09:00

There you go. Proof positive that Ed Vanden Berg is first class.

Edit: I can't spell.

**sportsnut** · August 28, 2003, 12:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Vanden Berg
RC,

When you've worn one out, let me know.

E

Good call Ed.

ratas calientes · August 28, 2003, 16:08

First time I used a VB LS, the bolt would not close on the GO. I was aiming for a 1.632 initial headspace. I removed the LS, filed it back 0.002, and reinstalled. After a few hundred rounds, it now closes on the NOGO. "Setback" was about 0.002. One cause could be the additional wear and break-in because of the slightly mis-matched angles. Nothing more. Hence my comment on longevity.

And if I ever manage to wear one out, which I agree is quite unlikely, I will be more than happy to purchase a new one.

Now, maybe we are all through with this nonsense?

Ed, please accept my apologies for bringing this up.

Have a great Labor Day Weekend.

-RC

August 27, 2003, 15:48	#1
dougjones31 Registered FALaholic #: 6967 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 4,282	Vanden Berg locking shoulders are correct now. Here is a quote from another thread. I just wanted everyone to know that there is no need to adjust .002" when ordering Vanden Berg LS's now. Everyone needs to buy a LS from Ed and support him for doing what is right. Thanks Ed! "The shoulders that I am producing now all have the locking surface cut at 12 degrees. The change was made as a response to demand. This project (producing and marketing locking shoulders) was first conceived because there was a reasonable demand for and an undependable supply of locking shoulders for FAL/L1A1 rifles. There was also some considerable price "adjusting" taking place for some of the hard-to-find sizes. The information that I could gather from former armorers, who worked on FALs when they were doing their military service, suggested that 11 degrees was the correct angle. General consensus from the membership of this board (and Doug Jones' research) contributed to the decision to make the change. Any businessman worth his salt will listen to his customers. The difference in headspace that the 1 degree difference yields is 0.0017", about 0.002". There is no difference in safety or longevity of the service life of the part. I have always stood behind my parts and services. If anyone has questions or problems, they are encouraged to email me, vandenbe@flash.net I have never turned anyone down who has asked me for help. Thank you for your votes of confidence. Respectfully, Ed Vanden Berg www.vandenbergcustom.com" __________________ "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." --Adolf Hitler, 1935

August 28, 2003, 08:29	#3
Vanden Berg Registered FALaholic #: 3498 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 556	RC, When you've worn one out, let me know. E __________________ If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try ordering someone else's dog around. -Cowboy wisdom

August 28, 2003, 09:00	#4
rwwje Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 2017 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 1,417	There you go. Proof positive that Ed Vanden Berg is first class. Edit: I can't spell. __________________ Conservatives believe that the people are sovereign, and that the government is subject to the will of the people. Liberals believe that the government is sovereign, and that the people are subject to the will of the government. Last edited by rwwje; August 28, 2003 at 20:10.

August 28, 2003, 16:08	#6
ratas calientes Registered FALaholic #: 1841 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,819	First time I used a VB LS, the bolt would not close on the GO. I was aiming for a 1.632 initial headspace. I removed the LS, filed it back 0.002, and reinstalled. After a few hundred rounds, it now closes on the NOGO. "Setback" was about 0.002. One cause could be the additional wear and break-in because of the slightly mis-matched angles. Nothing more. Hence my comment on longevity. And if I ever manage to wear one out, which I agree is quite unlikely, I will be more than happy to purchase a new one. Now, maybe we are all through with this nonsense? Ed, please accept my apologies for bringing this up. Have a great Labor Day Weekend. -RC __________________ Ratas Calientes (Hot Rats) Rats are people too!

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