Entreprise receivers? The Collection Sticky!

[gunsmith_tony]

I looked in on this sticky early on...when there were but a few posts on a single page. I noticed today that it has grown quite significantly. And after reading through all seven pages I've come to the conclusion that, even without all the other statements by you and others, this (quoted below) is all I needed to read. Why anyone would willingly and publicly display such blatant stupidity is far beyond even my ability to comprehend. Before reading this, my overall opinion of Entre'prise Arms and their products was borderline at best. Even so, I was often willing to recommend "some" of their products to my customers. Suffice it to say...that has changed. I have never purchased Entre'prise products. Not because I was afraid of getting bad components, but because I just haven't had any need to. Which brings me to my point..."need".
I don't "need" their receivers.
I don't "need" their parts.
I don't "need" their services.
Basically, I don't "need" them, or for that matter...you.
Hence fourth, M&M Gunsmithing will no longer accept any new builds using Entre'prise receivers. We will likewise not accept any new builds using Entre'prise components or "compliance" parts. As for any prospective customers thinking of sending me such work, I sincerely apologize if this decision causes you any inconvenience. Even so, the decision is final...and not subject to negotiation.

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Most of the English-speakers at Entreprise are quite literate. The in-house, full time attorney actually writes English on law suits and other legal notices. The slanders of the past are being addressed eloquently. There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.

The new manufacturing group is also quite talented. The new receivers will be excellent. With manufacturing back in full swing, company focus has been in the noisy back area, where Entreprise's future is being built one piece at a time. Unlike many critics of work in the 1990's, Entreprise will be a significant player in the FAL business for years to come.

However, since so many people here have demonstrated an inability to properly assemble FAL's, the next round of receivers may only be available for construction at Entreprise by qualified Entreprise professionals. Entreprise does not want to be responsible for the reprehensible work of a few unqualified gunsmiths. Gun enthusiasts and detractors alike will finally be able to have their kits assembled into working FAL's by the dedicated professionals at Entreprise. It would be nice to see some of the detractors produce more than slander.

For the various gun smiths trying to make a living by building up stories about 15 year old manufacture, Entreprise sincerely hopes that they get rich off their slanderous remarks and libelous writings. It's no fun to sue mouthy, opinionated, judgment-proof cynics who don't even have the money to cover the damages they inflict on the innocent.

For those who have gone to ridiculous lengths to find something untrue to say about Entreprise, this might be a good time to reconsider. Especially if you have written something untrue based on a minor “contribution” from an Entreprise competitor for the primary purpose of slandering Entreprise’s name for the benefit of the competitor. Libel, slander, interference with prospective advantage, interference with business relations, and intentional infliction are just a few law suits people might want to avoid defending. Law suits are inexpensive to file, and expensive to defend . . . especially if your English language skills aren’t on par with the average Beverly Hills attorney.

[frtyfivsevnty]

I knew I should have sent you my G1 build last month.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by gunsmith_tony
Which brings me to my point..."need".
I don't "need" their receivers.
I don't "need" their parts.
I don't "need" their services.
Basically, I don't "need" them, . . .
Hence fourth, M&M Gunsmithing will no longer accept any new builds using Entre'prise receivers.

I made that decision years ago, and it hasn't hurt me one bit. There may come a day when business is so slow that I "need" to build on an Entre'prise for lack of anything else to build on, but I doubt it.

I based my decision 10% on the lack of quality in the product and 90% on the lack of integrity displayed by the company and its representatives.

[gunsmith_tony]

Originally posted by gunplumber
I made that decision years ago, and it hasn't hurt me one bit. There may come a day when business is so slow that I "need" to build on an Entre'prise for lack of anything else to build on, but I doubt it.

I based my decision 10% on the lack of quality in the product and 90% on the lack of integrity displayed by the company and its representatives.

Thats one of the major reasons I now prefer doing this part-time. When I was a full-time gunsmith and business was slow, I often had to take in work that frankly belonged in a garbage recepticle...in order to cover overhead. Can't say that I miss that. Replacing a base pin in a Clerke 1st just never blew my skirt up...know what I mean? lol
Having a full-time job (mostly) covering my bills allows me to be down right picky about what I take in. In comparison...this is quite blissful.

[B Wood]

mikey?









Or how about a shirt in regards to Mikey's posts?



PS.....the "pics" mikey was posting a link to are in Yapoop's Enterprise group....they are pics of the "auditions" of girls for an apparent Enterprise calender......don't waste your time........guess some companies have to resort to T&A to sell guns.

[RT]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
No need to fire me. I'm turning in the calendar and "making of" video, and then moving on to greener pastures. If there's a way to upload some of the calendar pix, you could give instructions and I'll upload. Does a standard image tag work? Let's see:

Pay the falfiles as a vender for EAI and you can post pic's. but we still don't like you~R

[kec0723]

Originally posted by mhg


looks like his ego got in the way


Matt

It did take balls to come back and post tho


Is it ok to say "Balls"?

un-dead "balls"...............

[jim west]

I was considering a metric reciever from that lot. After reading this I have to pass. Id rather remain falless that give them money. YMMV Jim

[ftierson]

Originally posted by fry
i called tuesday morning and spoke to the nice lady in customer service. i asked if mike meyer's opinions are that of enterprise arms.

Let's see...

fry spoke with the nice lady in customer service at Entreprise on Tuesday morning and she checked this thread out then...

fry asked if the words of Entreprise's lawyer (Mikey) that Entreprise unleashed on this site and it's membership really represented the thoughts/feelings/policies of Entreprise Arms or not...

Here it is nearly noon (MDT) on Friday and no comments from Entreprise...

To me, the silence speaks volumes...

But, hey, maybe that's just me...

Forrest

[RT]

Mikey u there???????????????????????????

[DABTL]

Originally posted by rtgunsmoke
Mikey u there???????????????????????????

Mikey has moved on. That means, in all probability, that whatever plan he had, perhaps Entreprise' also, has not seen a positive result.

Lawyers are generally hired to perform much as a doctor, 'First, do no harm', and to produce positive results or at least ease the pain. Mikey has failed at both points.

This probably means Mikey and Entreprise are no longer connected. Next case.

[B Wood]

You would think............................

that SOMEONE at Enterprise in UPPER Management ..............................

.........would have the decency for a PUBLIC APOLOGY in this forum.


But then again...........that would require decency, respect, honor, integrity, humility, and the ability to say "we screwed up........please accept our apology"

Somehow I think they do not possess these attributes.

Ciao Enterprise

[Ricketts]

They shut their email down--I got a failure message from Customer Service. Gee--now THERE is a surprize!!!

[ftierson]

Originally posted by DABTL
This probably means Mikey and Entreprise are no longer connected.

Probably so...

I wonder if he's still a 'moderator' at Warrifles...?

Forrest

[English Mike]

Originally posted by Ricketts
They shut their email down--I got a failure message from Customer Service. Gee--now THERE is a surprize!!!

Aye; the email I sent on Wednesday bounced too.

[Dean P]

Just the start of bankruptcy & name change. Stay tuned there will be more, after a lie or 2.

[Strike Penguin]

Wow, what a thread.

Who says customer service is dead, hay?

I know who I won't be ordering from in the future. Thanks for clearing that up.

[RT]

Originally posted by fry
i called tuesday morning and spoke to the nice lady in customer service. i asked if mike meyer's opinions are that of enterprise arms.

i stated i could not believe what i was reading on the gun board (fal files) and how what started as an overwhelmingly positive thread about entrerprise arms recievers had turned negative when enterprise mike began posting. she told me that enterprise arms was not on the falfiles... that it was on war rifles. she said she would check it out (and did so while on the phone). she didnt seem to be very pleased at what she was reading.

i told her i found it very hard to believe a company like enterprise arms would engage in petty crap like sending lawyer letters to gun board operators, followed by sending in their attorney/agent to taunt its very own customer base.

i am sorry i cannot remember her name, she was very professional.

i was asked for my contact information so "they" could get back to me. i asked if i too was going to be sent a letter from mike meyer, she said no.

they have not gotten back to me.

any update?~R

[Pistolwiz]

I have had a few customers in the last couple of days tell me that their phone is disconnected. Hmmmmmm....The end is nearer than I thought maybe?

[fry]

Originally posted by Gunpartsguy
I have had a few customers in the last couple of days tell me that their phone is disconnected. Hmmmmmm....The end is nearer than I thought maybe?

1-626-962-8712 must be how rhubarb gets started

[fry]

Originally posted by rtgunsmoke
any update?~R

no.

[Bug Tussell]

Website is down.

[ftierson]

Originally posted by EntrepriseMike
Most of the English-speakers at Entreprise are quite literate. The in-house, full time attorney actually writes English on law suits and other legal notices. The slanders of the past are being addressed eloquently. There are several doctorate degrees, post-graduate theology degrees and even post-graduate English language degrees.

They could always task their highly schooled 'experts' with fixing the website...

Yup, that should work...

If praying helps, they've got that dicked too...

Forrest

[Bug Tussell]

Email is down.
Website is down.
Phones are disconnected.

At least FAC had a going out of business sale before they closed the doors!

[fry]

i called friday afternoon pst and the phone was answered "Enterprise". i asked what the business hours were and they told me. they said nothing of going out of business.

[sixty]

Someone mentioned Coonan receivers. Where can you buy these, or is there any where other than DSA at the moment. A lot of metric kits out there Imbel.
Anyone??????????????? Sixty lloydvnvet@united.net

[frtyfivsevnty]

Coonan's aren't available again yet.

[Pistolwiz]

Originally posted by sixty
Someone mentioned Coonan receivers. Where can you buy these, or is there any where other than DSA at the moment. A lot of metric kits out there Imbel.
Anyone??????????????? Sixty lloydvnvet@united.net

www.nodakspud.com get on the list.

[vmtz]

Originally posted by Gunpartsguy


www.nodakspud.com get on the list.

+1.

Vince

[adam762]

Holy S%&T!!! James and Vince agree on something!


(only in the entreprise thread...)

[Tomovich]

Sooooooooo.................how are DSA's INCH receivers to work with then???

[gunsmith_tony]

I have also removed them from the "LINKS" page on my site.

[101ABN327]

www.nodakspud.com get on the list.

I got on the list a couple of months ago. The only information I ever get is what I email and ask them for directly. I thought the email list was for a mass mailing information clearing house. I wish the vendors would keep us better informed. Even if there is nothing to report, as least say that.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by Tomovich
Sooooooooo.................how are DSA's INCH receivers to work with then???

Recess for mag catch spring on ejector block is metric size - needs to be enlarged slightly for inch mag catch spring.

It is an excellent receiver - I've built 5 now I think and they are really well done - every bit as good as their metric.

If only they were available . .. ..

Maybe a long nagging chain of customers calling and saying "make some more!"

[Tomovich]

Damn..........they were listed in my latest dealer price catalog so I just assumed............... shit!

[Fault Zone]

This is really a sad post…

Why on earth would a Vendor hire a lawyer to come into our community and begin blasting us from his high and mighty soap box with a bunch of threats than cannot be realized. I mean, does Entreprise plan to obtain income by suing people? It would seem easier just to stick with selling gun stuff…quality gun merchandise I mean.

Any how…my tale with Entreprise is as follows:

I was never an inch gun fan until last year at the Big Reno Show I met a gent selling two Brit kit guns on inch Entreprise receivers. Well after looking at a whole bunch of Hesse and Century built inch guns earlier in the day, I was more convinced than ever that inch guns were just crap. Then I found the Entreprise guns. I had to do a double take. The fit and finish was exceptional. The upper receiver mated perfectly to the lower. The dust cover fit was extraordinary…without the typical mile wide gap up front on the left side where the cover meets the receiver bridge by the carry handle. The lightning cut radii were elegantly chamfered, the machine work was amazing. I bought both guns from the gent. Currently one is dress in all black and the other in wood. These have become my favorite FAL’s.

How do they shoot???? Like a dream…I dump 20 rounders like falling water without a hitch. Accurate beyond what my sorry ass can shoot too.

About 8 months ago I spent the big bucks and got one of SLR-5000’s un-issued Aussie kits and started down the dark path of inch guns. Today I called Rich at CGW to discuss the Aussie build and to get his OK to move the receiver thru him. I asked if he was still doing inch builds on Entreprise receivers. He mentioned this post and I had to check it out.

Needless to say I am now on the waiting list for a DSA inch receiver. This kind of thing just makes no sense. Sorry Entreprise…I love my two inch guns but the next will be a DSA baby. I wish Entreprise luck in the future in turning around this PR disaster. Bottom line for me is that I think their products are fine...I like my inch receivers...but you cannot insult or threaten your customer base when a QC/QA issue comes up and have the opinion that those threats are the means to solving the problem.

[sparky]

When I was the first one to post that George Gouger and Entreprise where crooks I took alot of crap. Bill was the only other one that had problems with George but he defended Entreprise then.

Looks like the birds have come home to dump!

[Falfegnügen]

Ben Franklin once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

WOW! I've sure missed a lot I guess it just goes to show, you can lead a horse to water, but...OMG, what fun this has been.

[Tomovich]

Serious question.............. ...............what is the "wait" on the waiting list on DSA's INCH receivers at right now??

[Fault Zone]

I really cannot say what the wait will be for a DSA Incge receiver. The sales lady told me they were going to have a batch run in the next few weeks and DSA would fill all backorders in the oder in which people called in for them.

With the gun situation as it is now in the USA, I just place my order and get on with life. When stuff gets to me...it get to me. No worries over the wait.

Fault Zone

[GUN SNOB]

I dont beleive I just read 9 pages of this shit, its like a train wreck, I couldent look away.

If this is Enterprises damage controle I would hate to see there 'New and Improved' product line.

Wounder what name thay will re-open under? Should be easy to spot the freshly stamped rusty parts and welded up recivers.

I never did buisness with them due to there reputation. Gess that wont change, some things cant be fixed.

[evan price]

In the words of Keannu Reaves in most of his movies:

"whoah."


I just wecsog'ed a Entreprise metric receiver together with a batch of 922 parts and US furniture on a Dan's Imbel kit. Bear in mind I bought the receiver a while back from a gunshop consignment shelf for a pretty fair price (meaning, "cheap"). The gun went together surprisingly easily and shot as good as the Century I have as well. I honestly figured there would be more problems. There WERE problems but nothing I consider deal busters, not for a $199 receiver that was sold to me as used unknown goods.

I was considering buying a couple more of their Type III receivers with handle cuts to build some more rifles I have kits for.

But after wading through this entire post string I think my best money will be spent waiting for Coonan's new products or bite the $$bullet and grab a DSA. Sorry, ORF, but no ejector blocks is a deal buster for me, I won't drill into that heat treated receiver billet without a fixturing jig, risk getting the holes off, and have to heat the receiver, weld up the holes, drill new holes, and re-heat treat.

Sorry Entreprise, if this fella represents your new efforts to win friends and influence people, I remember your products from 10 years ago. I remember the way this guy treated us FALaholics last month. It's going to take something really special to change minds.... like maybe a run of receivers sold to FALfiles group buy at cost- which would get you valuable market exposure- assuming they are not as bad as they were then and what was said is true, they are not junk. Chances that will happen = .01% not holding breath.

Goodbye Entreprise. Good fortune. But not my $$$.

[ThunderGod]

Ground Control to Entreprise,
Ground Control to Entreprise,

Please repond...

[dirtyrice]

i doubt it will ever happen. and mike is still very much a part of entreprise. if you dont think so go check out warrifles. shows how much they care. and i thought there was debate to as if anyone had actually contacted entreprise about this whole thing. and just incase someone from entreprise still reads this. i will be receiving my DSA inch receiver tomorrow. as i decided not to buy from enterprise.

[Dean P]

I am banned at warrifles & I have never posted on their board.

[DABTL]

I have purchased a DSA inch receiver for a bit more money than Entreprise wants for their receiver.

It has arrived in good order. High quality without a problem according to sledgehammer.

With Lawrence gone and Mikey on board waiting around for something that may be pie in the sky has its limits.

As I am out of kits, out of patience and appalled by Mikey, Entreprise has sold me its last product. Good luck to them. I will not be a customer, however.

[ftierson]

And still no comment from Entreprise...

Who would have guessed (yuk, yuk, probably all of us)...

I guess that their lack of comments really says it all...

I hope that they plan to concentrate on their pool aerator business (I made that up, of course, but they're going to need something other than their failed receiver business)...

Forrest

[SHARPSHOOTER]

I can not speak for the current situation of Entreprise but I know that the inch receiver that I got last year was a spot on no problem build for me. Same as the Type III I had that now belongs to Rooster. It screwed together very nicely!

One of these days they might actually become concerned with their customer base. They could be a serious competitior out there in the FAL Market if they really wanted to be. It all Leaves me rather puzzled

[AZMyrmidon]

I called Entreprise today as I had purchased two of their receivers back in 2001 and have sat on them, biding my time to see what happened with legislation and the availability of parts. Well, since I take it their stuff is "hit and miss," I wanted to make sure someone was going to build on their stuff and that they'd be around. They found the notion funny that they'd be going under because of all this. I then reminded them that Winchester is gone and it stopped being funny. Turns out they are ready and raring and will build on about anything, even Centuries. I mentioned this exchange here to them and urged them to disavow the clown posing as attorney and say a few words to their prospective clientele here which would reflect just how professional an outfit they were. The lady I spoke with was conciliatory, as I am not at all ready to boycott and would prefer not to, but I would like to see them do the right thing here. I let them know that if they showed this type of class, they'd have my business and I will stand by that. They took my name and number and email addy and seem genuinely concerned as if they'd do something regarding this. I have to credit them for that, but I am still looking for a mea culpa.

Fortis!
AZ Myrmidon
When I mentioned DSA and Coonan, I sensed a certain disappointment. When I said DSAs were actually built on arsenal blueprints and to designer's specs, more disappointment. When I said I would pay extra for a DSA or wait for a Coonan, anguish and concern. They're not bad people, just too proud to get out of this mess. I have to say I am sympathetic and ready to do business with them when they are ready to take responsibility for this snafu and reach out to their customer base.

[ftierson]

Originally posted by AZMyrmidon
I called Entreprise today as I had purchased two of their receivers back in 2001 and have sat on them, biding my time to see what happened with legislation and the availability of parts. Well, since I take it their stuff is "hit and miss," I wanted to make sure someone was going to build on their stuff and that they'd be around. They found the notion funny that they'd be going under because of all this. I then reminded them that Winchester is gone and it stopped being funny. Turns out they are ready and raring and will build on about anything, even Centuries. I mentioned this exchange here to them and urged them to disavow the clown posing as attorney and say a few words to their prospective clientele here which would reflect just how professional an outfit they were. The lady I spoke with was conciliatory, as I am not at all ready to boycott and would prefer not to, but I would like to see them do the right thing here. I let them know that if they showed this type of class, they'd have my business and I will stand by that. They took my name and number and email addy and seem genuinely concerned as if they'd do something regarding this. I have to credit them for that, but I am still looking for a mea culpa.

Fortis!
AZ Myrmidon
When I mentioned DSA and Coonan, I sensed a certain disappointment. When I said DSAs were actually built on arsenal blueprints and to designer's specs, more disappointment. When I said I would pay extra for a DSA or wait for a Coonan, anguish and concern. They're not bad people, just too proud to get out of this mess. I have to say I am sympathetic and ready to do business with them when they are ready to take responsibility for this snafu and reach out to their customer base.

You're more forgiving that I am...

They have had plenty of time, if they cared...

I won't be buying anything from them...

But maybe that's just me...

Forrest