Type 1 or 2 DSA receivers?

critterflht · June 01, 2003, 20:35

Hi, I'm new to the group and I'd like to ask a question. I'm very likely to contract DSA to build a std. Stg-58A for me and wondered which type of rec. I should choose and why. Would there likely be any effect on accuracy between Type 1 or 2 because of rigidity differences? What about with or without the carrying handle cut? What about differences in durability between the 2? Also, authenticity means something to me as well when making the choice. Should the choice be made strictly on aesthetics because the rest of the questions just don't matter?
Also, did any of the Austian Stg's have wood furniture? I think that might be my choice but there again, authenticity matters to me as well.

Thanks for patiently suffering through my queries, thanks in advance for all responses-Lee

Temp · June 01, 2003, 20:50

I seriously doubt that there is any difference between the accuracy potential of any quality receiver,.. especially the DSA's. Buy the one that pleases your eye the most. (Which is going to be the type 1 with no carry handle cut if you have any taste at ALL)

Some early STG's had walnut buttstocks which closely resemble the aftermarket stocks which are available today.

Temp · June 01, 2003, 20:59

Here's a pic of a pretty one that was done up by Richard Saunders of CGW.

http://www.centurygunworks.net/earlystg58woodstock.gif

**Hebrew Battle Rifle** · June 01, 2003, 21:03

To carry handle or not to carry handle....that is the question.
It is a matter of personal choice. It will not enhance nor degrade the performance or durability of the rifle.

As to the type, in civilian use it is a matter of cosmetics only. Again, make the choice based on your personal taste as it will not matter for any other reason.

Some of the Belgian StG's had wooden buttstocks. These were made to accept a rubber buttpad rather than a steel butt plate. Fabrique Nationale' of Belgium was the original manufacturer of the StG 58 until Steyr of Austria otained a license from FN to build them.

critterflht · June 01, 2003, 21:15

Thanks for the info guys!

ratas calientes · June 01, 2003, 21:31

Welcome Lee.

At risk of being a contrary - sorry Temp

- I prefer the Type II for classic good looks. Take a look at both of them and choose. You will be pleased with either. For me, the jury is still out on the carry handle.

Temp · June 01, 2003, 21:37

Far be it for me to chastise anyone for being contrary.

critterflht · June 02, 2003, 05:37

Thanks again for the help-I have a lot of questions. Some I've been able to answer for myself searching thru the archives but a lot of them not-

**bykerhd** · June 02, 2003, 06:33

The wood furniture is very nice but the new stuff is not quite authentic in shape. If you look at pictures of the new ones versus some originals, which you can find in the Images Forum, you will see the difference in contours. Mostly at the top front area. They should actually be less prone to cracking than the originals due to the extra material. The synthetic stocks are much more resistant(or at least it doesn't show as much) to everyday wear and tear, dings & dents than their more attractive wood counterparts.
Not sure if original stgs were ever produced without the carry handle. The receivers without the cut are supposedly stiffer, but I doubt if there is much of any real difference.

RMLamey · June 02, 2003, 07:32

i kinda like the carry handle, comes in handy at times. as far as wood, as stated above some of the FN produced STG's as well as some later production Steyr manufactured STG's had wood. Ive had 2 matching # original STG's in the 60 thousand serial # range that had wood butt stocks. Both were type C (metal ferul at reciever) one had rubber and one had metal butt plate. Unfortunately the one with the metal butt plate had been cracked along the grain and split when i removed it.

as far as the aftermarket wood stocks, with a little work you can duplicate the proper original contours.

reciever type, its a toss up. i lean toward the type II, but wouldnt let that hinder my decision if a nice type I came along for sale etc....

critterflht · June 02, 2003, 10:42

Thanks for your kind and informative responses. I've just about decided to go with the Type 2 w/handle and synthetic furniture. Thanks for the help!

Temp · June 02, 2003, 10:50

Buy 'em books,.. send 'em ta school, and they still grow up to be "carry handle" people,...

*shaking head*

shootist87122 · June 02, 2003, 11:33

I think the Type II (with carry handle cut for originality, thank-you-very-much) has the highest

factor. Having said that, my last two DSA Uppers were Type I's, cause I had a bad case of "I want 'em right now!" and the II's were out of stock.

If your StG58A Lower is a Type 2, you will have buyers remose if you get a Type 1 Upper, but not the reverse. (IMHO).

SteveW · June 02, 2003, 14:22

Carry Handle ?

Pah.

Waddya think it is, a shopping purse ?

The only thing that I ever found that the carry handle did was get
in the way, all the time. If you put a scope on it (and you will) then
you can't use it anyway, unless it's a Trilux. Then you have to get
used to that big icicle hanging down, getting in the way of what
you want to shoot at..

sparky · June 02, 2003, 17:05

Most people prefer the type 2 because there aren't very many around.

elbo · June 02, 2003, 20:27

Quote:

Originally posted by SteveW
Carry Handle ?

Waddya think it is, a shopping purse ?

With this purse you can buy anything you want.

Get the cut.
You can always take the handle off if you don't want it any more.
But... well you know.
It's better to have a handle and not need it, than to need a handle and not even be able to put one on.

shootist87122 · June 02, 2003, 20:36

Quote:

Originally posted by elbo

....It's better to have a handle and not need it, than to need a handle....

critterflht · June 03, 2003, 06:33

When I make the order, I may have to opt for the Type 1 if the Type 2 is going to take forever, frankly I don't see THAT much difference looks-wise. The reasons for wanting the handle is that it is one of the features that makes an FAL an FAL to me. I like the looks and utility of it. The SAR-48 I had years ago and foolishly let go had one and I liked it. Now if someone were able to convince me that there would be substantial accuracy gains by using a rec. w/o the cut because of rigidity or whatever other real reason, then maybe.....
Thanks, Lee

critterflht · June 03, 2003, 06:36

BTW, I really am looking forward to having an FAL again. If you knew how many times I've kicked myself in the rear over the years for letting that SAR-48 get away.... Lee

June 01, 2003, 20:35	#1
critterflht Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 6701 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC Posts: 647	Type 1 or 2 DSA receivers? Hi, I'm new to the group and I'd like to ask a question. I'm very likely to contract DSA to build a std. Stg-58A for me and wondered which type of rec. I should choose and why. Would there likely be any effect on accuracy between Type 1 or 2 because of rigidity differences? What about with or without the carrying handle cut? What about differences in durability between the 2? Also, authenticity means something to me as well when making the choice. Should the choice be made strictly on aesthetics because the rest of the questions just don't matter? Also, did any of the Austian Stg's have wood furniture? I think that might be my choice but there again, authenticity matters to me as well. Thanks for patiently suffering through my queries, thanks in advance for all responses-Lee

June 01, 2003, 21:03	#4
Hebrew Battle Rifle Horses Ass Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 5777 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6,812	To carry handle or not to carry handle....that is the question. It is a matter of personal choice. It will not enhance nor degrade the performance or durability of the rifle. As to the type, in civilian use it is a matter of cosmetics only. Again, make the choice based on your personal taste as it will not matter for any other reason. Some of the Belgian StG's had wooden buttstocks. These were made to accept a rubber buttpad rather than a steel butt plate. Fabrique Nationale' of Belgium was the original manufacturer of the StG 58 until Steyr of Austria otained a license from FN to build them. __________________ THANK YOU JESUS Last edited by Hebrew Battle Rifle; June 01, 2003 at 21:49.

June 01, 2003, 21:15	#5
critterflht Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 6701 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC Posts: 647	Thanks for the info guys! __________________ Remember, it takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to pull a trigger. The truth ALWAYS offends someone... SHORTEST FAIRY TALE EVER: Once upon a time a guy asked a girl: "Will you marry me?", She said "No", and the guy lived happily ever after.

June 01, 2003, 21:31	#6
ratas calientes Registered FALaholic #: 1841 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,818	Welcome Lee. At risk of being a contrary - sorry Temp - I prefer the Type II for classic good looks. Take a look at both of them and choose. You will be pleased with either. For me, the jury is still out on the carry handle. __________________ Ratas Calientes (Hot Rats) Rats are people too!

June 02, 2003, 05:37	#8
critterflht Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 6701 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC Posts: 647	Thanks again for the help-I have a lot of questions. Some I've been able to answer for myself searching thru the archives but a lot of them not- __________________ Remember, it takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to pull a trigger. The truth ALWAYS offends someone... SHORTEST FAIRY TALE EVER: Once upon a time a guy asked a girl: "Will you marry me?", She said "No", and the guy lived happily ever after.

June 01, 2003, 20:50	#2
Temp Registered FALaholic #: 10384 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: right of center Posts: 4,214	I seriously doubt that there is any difference between the accuracy potential of any quality receiver,.. especially the DSA's. Buy the one that pleases your eye the most. (Which is going to be the type 1 with no carry handle cut if you have any taste at ALL) Some early STG's had walnut buttstocks which closely resemble the aftermarket stocks which are available today.

June 01, 2003, 20:59	#3
Temp Registered FALaholic #: 10384 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: right of center Posts: 4,214	Here's a pic of a pretty one that was done up by Richard Saunders of CGW. http://www.centurygunworks.net/earlystg58woodstock.gif

June 01, 2003, 21:37	#7
Temp Registered FALaholic #: 10384 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: right of center Posts: 4,214	Far be it for me to chastise anyone for being contrary.

June 02, 2003, 06:33	#9
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	The wood furniture is very nice but the new stuff is not quite authentic in shape. If you look at pictures of the new ones versus some originals, which you can find in the Images Forum, you will see the difference in contours. Mostly at the top front area. They should actually be less prone to cracking than the originals due to the extra material. The synthetic stocks are much more resistant(or at least it doesn't show as much) to everyday wear and tear, dings & dents than their more attractive wood counterparts. Not sure if original stgs were ever produced without the carry handle. The receivers without the cut are supposedly stiffer, but I doubt if there is much of any real difference.

June 02, 2003, 07:32	#10
RMLamey Registered FALaholic #: 3671 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Biloxi, MS Posts: 487	i kinda like the carry handle, comes in handy at times. as far as wood, as stated above some of the FN produced STG's as well as some later production Steyr manufactured STG's had wood. Ive had 2 matching # original STG's in the 60 thousand serial # range that had wood butt stocks. Both were type C (metal ferul at reciever) one had rubber and one had metal butt plate. Unfortunately the one with the metal butt plate had been cracked along the grain and split when i removed it. as far as the aftermarket wood stocks, with a little work you can duplicate the proper original contours. reciever type, its a toss up. i lean toward the type II, but wouldnt let that hinder my decision if a nice type I came along for sale etc....

June 02, 2003, 10:42	#11
critterflht Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 6701 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC Posts: 647	Thanks for your kind and informative responses. I've just about decided to go with the Type 2 w/handle and synthetic furniture. Thanks for the help! __________________ Remember, it takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to pull a trigger. The truth ALWAYS offends someone... SHORTEST FAIRY TALE EVER: Once upon a time a guy asked a girl: "Will you marry me?", She said "No", and the guy lived happily ever after.

June 02, 2003, 10:50	#12
Temp Registered FALaholic #: 10384 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: right of center Posts: 4,214	Buy 'em books,.. send 'em ta school, and they still grow up to be "carry handle" people,... shaking head

June 02, 2003, 11:33	#13
shootist87122 Registered FALaholic #: 7202 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NM Posts: 5,126	I think the Type II (with carry handle cut for originality, thank-you-very-much) has the highest factor. Having said that, my last two DSA Uppers were Type I's, cause I had a bad case of "I want 'em right now!" and the II's were out of stock. If your StG58A Lower is a Type 2, you will have buyers remose if you get a Type 1 Upper, but not the reverse. (IMHO). __________________ "So in the Libyan Fable it is told, That once an eagle, stricken with a dart, said, when he saw the fashion of the shaft, it is by our own feathers, not others hands, are we now smitten." -Aeschylus

June 02, 2003, 14:22	#14
SteveW Registered FALaholic #: 9378 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,183	Carry Handle ? Pah. Waddya think it is, a shopping purse ? The only thing that I ever found that the carry handle did was get in the way, all the time. If you put a scope on it (and you will) then you can't use it anyway, unless it's a Trilux. Then you have to get used to that big icicle hanging down, getting in the way of what you want to shoot at..

June 02, 2003, 17:05	#15
sparky Registered FALaholic #: 2542 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oklahoma USA Posts: 1,626	Most people prefer the type 2 because there aren't very many around.

June 03, 2003, 06:33	#18
critterflht Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 6701 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC Posts: 647	When I make the order, I may have to opt for the Type 1 if the Type 2 is going to take forever, frankly I don't see THAT much difference looks-wise. The reasons for wanting the handle is that it is one of the features that makes an FAL an FAL to me. I like the looks and utility of it. The SAR-48 I had years ago and foolishly let go had one and I liked it. Now if someone were able to convince me that there would be substantial accuracy gains by using a rec. w/o the cut because of rigidity or whatever other real reason, then maybe..... Thanks, Lee __________________ Remember, it takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to pull a trigger. The truth ALWAYS offends someone... SHORTEST FAIRY TALE EVER: Once upon a time a guy asked a girl: "Will you marry me?", She said "No", and the guy lived happily ever after.

June 03, 2003, 06:36	#19
critterflht Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 6701 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC Posts: 647	BTW, I really am looking forward to having an FAL again. If you knew how many times I've kicked myself in the rear over the years for letting that SAR-48 get away.... Lee __________________ Remember, it takes 42 muscles to produce a frown, but only 4 muscles to pull a trigger. The truth ALWAYS offends someone... SHORTEST FAIRY TALE EVER: Once upon a time a guy asked a girl: "Will you marry me?", She said "No", and the guy lived happily ever after.

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