The Tale of Ol' Dirty. A Texas Legend. (Update: over 16,000 rnds fired w/o cleaning) - Page 4

adamweinerog · October 25, 2006, 16:37

I've been reading about Ol' Dirty for a while now, it comforts me.

FAL GRUNT · October 25, 2006, 18:27

The thing that surprises me most is not that it keeps firing, but that at 12k rounds, its only about as dirty as my FAL with about 2-3k through it. About 800 of that was that dirty OFV stuff that was awesomely cheap. I've got that fungus (carbon buildup) on my handguard though not as thick, but my interenals and reciever look very much the same. Maybe I should give mine a bath

Great Project James. I love taking equipment to the extreme to really see what they will hold up to. I've got an AK that since I purchased it I havn't cleaned it. As of a recent trip i've got about 5-6k through it. It's a standard SAR, I wanna see if the barrel will wear out before it jams. MY guess is yes, even with the mud and dirt that gets packed in.

-myers

shootist87122 · October 25, 2006, 18:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Para Driver
Stg Kit=$400
Imbel Rcvr=$400
7 Parts=$100
Labor=$300

so now, it would cost $1200~$1300 to replace that gun...
PLUS 20k rounds of surplus at $200/k, call that $4,000

all in all an expensive experiment at $5k+ to duplicate..

Can't count the cost of ammo; the same amount would have gone down range anyway. Plus James stands at a busy corrner every Friday with a sigh that says " Please Help! Will Work for Bullets".

STG5812 · October 26, 2006, 00:09

Quote:

Originally posted by FAL GRUNT
...I've got an AK that since I purchased it I havn't cleaned it. As of a recent trip i've got about 5-6k through it. It's a standard SAR, I wanna see if the barrel will wear out before it jams. MY guess is yes, even with the mud and dirt that gets packed in.

-myers

Thank you for doing that. I have been wondering if my SAR is 'good enough'. Guess that puts that to rest. As adamweinerog previously posted, its comforting.

**James** · October 29, 2006, 22:17

FAL GRUNT--It can only get so dirty and then it cleans it self, if you know what I mean. Sometimes it looks dirtier than other times. As I lube and shoot it crap falls off and then get added back on.

If you have a chrome bore on your AK I don't think you have to worry about shooting the bore out on it.

Don't know what your's looks like but here are a few pictures from various times.

James

**James** · October 29, 2006, 22:33

Previous picture was taken about 18 months before this one.

Not sure if the round count is right on this picture but the date is. I think there is more at that date in time.

English Mike · November 02, 2006, 20:05

James

Have you done any comparisons as to the accuracy of the rifle in its present state, against when it was somewhat cleaner?

I assume that umpteen thousand rounds will have had some effect on the bore but wonder if the lack of cleaning has made an appreciable difference to how well it groups.

fastprofessor · November 02, 2006, 20:55

Quote:

Originally posted by ENGLISH MIKE
James

Have you done any comparisons as to the accuracy of the rifle in its present state, against when it was somewhat cleaner?

I assume that umpteen thousand rounds will have had some effect on the bore but wonder if the lack of cleaning has made an appreciable difference to how well it groups.

I wondered about that too, but I gotta admit, James didn't seem to have any trouble knocking steel down or putting holes in paper at the FAL Fest. Even if its accuracy has suffered a touch (and I don't know if it has or not) I'd say it still seems accurate enough for what it was made for.

7.62srbest · November 21, 2006, 21:06

I've seen several .22's this dirty, but never a real rifle. I just couldn't do that to something I liked. There must be something wrong with the FAL we've got. At the SW VA Appleseed my son would have to close the gas adjustment knob a turn or two about every 35 or 40 rnds. during the afternoon even though it was cleaned each morning. We got a new gas piston and tube for it but haven't put it on yet. Glad to hear the reputation is better than we've experienced. I have some hope again now and we might keep it.

Vic303 · November 22, 2006, 14:25

7.62s, maybe you should find a fal smith there who can open up your gas port hole a touch. That's what it took to get hubby's fal running (thanks Sledgehammer!!).

thomyt · December 24, 2006, 19:06

Thats Amazing.

jbrooks · December 24, 2006, 21:59

How 'bout a New Year's Round Count update??

JWB

BiGB808 · December 28, 2006, 16:29

does old dirty use the same magazine?..unlceaned the whole time?

Dlagrua · January 18, 2007, 16:12

and I thought that the AK was the ultimate reliable rifle. This is an incredible story. However, I would not recommend that any rife not be cleaned. Carbon is a very hard substance. Not cleaning a rife will result in greatly accelerated wear and a marked decrease in accuracy. Once the barrel throat is eroded gas blowby and any accuracy goes right out the window. The gun then becomes somewhat dangerous to shoot. I keep my rifes spotless and oiled so they are clean preserved and ready for any emergency!

Mike in Seattle · January 19, 2007, 09:58

Dlagrua;

Sure, we all know that one should clean his weapon.

But that's the entire point (I think) to James' excersise.

If you've read the entire thread, the gas piston spring is BROKEN , and has been for several hundred~a few thousand (?) rounds.

but Ol' Dirty still runs.

From my perspective, James and Ol' Dirty has set, and CONTINUES to set, the "Benchmark of Reliability".

One always hears about the "Legendary Reliability of the AK"

I challenge any "Disciple of the AK" to simply match Ol' Dirty

,and the same for the "Desciple any platform" on the "reliablity issue"

simply match Ol' Dirty

? Am I going to treat my FAL the same as James treats Ol' Dirty ?

Not just "no",, but HELL NO!!

After a shooting session, I bring her home, meticulously clean her, carefully lubricate her, give her a Kiss, and gently tuck my Princess into her softly padded case

Here's a SALUTE to James and Ol' Dirty

Mike

**Falcon** · February 04, 2007, 13:29

How many clicks is the gas setting on, and have you had to adjust it along the way?

Diomed · February 04, 2007, 23:26

Apparently part of the legend is keeping the details a secret...

**James** · February 05, 2007, 23:10

Posted by Diomed:
Apparently part of the legend is keeping the details a secret...

How do you figure that?

James

**James** · February 05, 2007, 23:33

Here are some answers to a few questions.

Falcon, without going out and looking I'm not sure where it is set. I haven't touched in 5 or 6 years. I don't think my gas nut is number either so I don't really remember where it's set. I'll try to remember and take a picture of it and post it when I can.

BiGB808, I have 20 t0 25 mags I load up and use them all the time. No cleaning on them either.

English Mike, best info I could find is that back in Nov 2003 Tex shot a 2" group at 100 yds with Dirty. Round count was 5400. It's over twice that now so I guess I should see what it will do soon.

James

Diomed · February 06, 2007, 22:52

Quote:

Originally posted by James
How do you figure that?

The unanswered questions stretching back months?

Thank you for answering the more interesting ones, though.

NineseveN · February 07, 2007, 09:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Diomed

The unanswered questions stretching back months?

Thank you for answering the more interesting ones, though.

The man only has so much time ya know...it's not that anything is a secret so much as this thread is just not at the center of his universe.

**James** · February 08, 2007, 20:59

Here's a pic of the gas nut. It does have numbers on it, didn't remember that.

James

**James** · February 08, 2007, 21:16

Here's one of the left handguard exhaust port.

James

**James** · February 08, 2007, 21:24

Here's one of the bolt and carrier.

James

creator0203 · February 08, 2007, 21:24

O so ugly its beautiful

John Hardin · February 09, 2007, 15:23

Quote:

Originally posted by James
Here's one of the bolt and carrier.

James

...I wonder if a L1A1 sand-cut bolt carrier would have affected whether or not it reliably cycles without lubrication?

shootist87122 · February 09, 2007, 15:59

Quote:

Originally posted by John Hardin

...I wonder if a L1A1 sand-cut bolt carrier would have affected whether or not it reliably cycles without lubrication?

I think Old Dirty gets fresh lube from time to time. Just no cleaning or even cleaning-off the old gupe.

**W.E.G.** · February 09, 2007, 16:29

.................King James.................

**James** · February 09, 2007, 22:01

Posted by John Hardin,
...I wonder if a L1A1 sand-cut bolt carrier would have affected whether or not it reliably cycles without lubrication?

I think what happens when it is not lubed is that all that crap on the rails and bolt carrier gets kind of sticky and it takes a lot more power to cycle the bolt. Once I put some oil on it everything works OK.

James

neonnoodle · February 10, 2007, 00:16

Someone needs to start a pool on how long she'll go.

That's always comforting to read this thread and know the proven capability of the FAL. Keep the updates coming.

diana-ar15 · February 10, 2007, 10:12

Quote:

Originally posted by creator0203
O so ugly its beautiful

+1

Aifwikir · February 11, 2007, 11:50

Has anyone on ARF.com tried this with an AR?

Aif

MarkBall · February 11, 2007, 11:52

Don't think anyone at Arf.com tried this, but thousands of soldiers have tried to make the AR run when it's dirty.

It won't when it's this dirty.

fastprofessor · February 11, 2007, 12:29

Quote:

Originally posted by neonnoodle
Someone needs to start a pool on how long she'll go.

That's always comforting to read this thread and know the proven capability of the FAL. Keep the updates coming.

I wouldn't bet against her

**Falcon** · February 16, 2007, 20:07

james,

Thanks for taking the time to post the photo's, and more importantly proving the FAL's gas operated,tilting bolt design is truly steadfast.

jugrunner · February 16, 2007, 20:07

I'm amazed everytime I check this thread ...

John Hardin · February 19, 2007, 19:45

Quote:

Originally posted by trodery
WOW! I want an "OLD DIRTY LIVES" t-shirt!

For your consideration:

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=impsec.65408399

The slogan that's right under "Ol' Dirty" is "Legendary dependability", and the URL of this thread is at the bottom.

If anybody has suggestions for how to improve it, please let me know! I'm especially interested in a catchier slogan.

I will keep the round count updated as James posts new information.

It can also be put on other types of shirts if you don't like the golf shirt. The image is available if somebody wants it for some other purpose.

dirtyrice · February 22, 2007, 03:17

Oh it's gotta be higher than that. I need to buy one of those just for laughs .

Only photo I got with brass in the air all day. Still running strong.

John Hardin · February 22, 2007, 11:51

Quote:

Originally posted by dirtyrice
Oh it's gotta be higher than that.

The round counts are based on what's posted here. The last count I saw was 13,240 in the image on the February 08, 2007 post.

THECARREAPER · February 23, 2007, 09:42

amazing read..... thanks for sharing this......

MordeanGrey · March 07, 2007, 09:47

James,

How about a picture of the gas piston and gas tube... if you can get it out.

How much junk has worked its way into the space in the lower around the hammer, etc.?

flight 556 · March 08, 2007, 15:31

I'd be willing to bet the round count now is going to increase at a much slower rate since Port has achieved the rare military cartridges of the world status.

FranzLiebkind · March 09, 2007, 18:02

do we have a new round count?

cookiemonster · March 14, 2007, 06:31

is it me or does the shirt appear to have a 30 round mag in Old Dirty?

I am sure that the only rifle that CAN come close to Old Dirty would be an AK...I have shown several people up here at work and they are amazed at the capabilities of these rifles...

I do have a question...how dirty do you get James when you shoot her?

lol

D

John Hardin · March 14, 2007, 10:24

Quote:

Originally posted by cookiemonster
is it me or does the shirt appear to have a 30 round mag in Old Dirty?

You are right, sir. I like the looks of the curved mag better than the straight mag. *cough* artistic liberty *cough*.
I did change the FH from L1A1 to Belgian, though.

Fallschirmjager · May 29, 2007, 17:58

Ah Yes. The rifle of legend. Geeze talk about an incredible example of what good engineering can do. Don't ever clean that rifle. If you do it would probably fall apart. I had a bicycle as a kid that I never did anything to for years. I finally broke down and did a good cleanup, oil and grease everything. After that it started having problems. I broke the MoJo that was keeping it going. I'd like to know how much the ammo bill is so far for the rifle. And considering the cost of ammo increase how long can he continue feeding it?

younggun · May 30, 2007, 08:43

Will old dirty break before, james goes broke? doesjames have a big enough cache to continue the experiment? and of most importance whats the round count at?

Azrial · May 30, 2007, 11:07

I have never bothered to read this post before. This is a amazing tribute to the FAL! James is setting a record that I doubt that if ever broken, will fail to be documented.

I have become a regular reader and will be looking forward to updates!

dieudonne · July 04, 2007, 08:08

I dunno something in me wants to call FPS Fal Protective Services right away for sustained neglect and abuse----part of me mourns that rifle just because FALs are the honor students of battle/assault weapons

dieudonne · July 04, 2007, 08:12

Quote:

Originally posted by sledgehammer
Soak cycle.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! somebody perform CPR clean parkerize and relube

this pic is the type of recurring nightmare that puts people on psychaitrists couches and keeps them rich

October 25, 2006, 16:37	#151
adamweinerog Registered FALaholic #: 4362 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: seattle,wa Posts: 127	I've been reading about Ol' Dirty for a while now, it comforts me. __________________ Nothin' says lovin' like a battle rifle!

October 25, 2006, 18:27	#152
FAL GRUNT Registered FALaholic #: 7561 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Medina OH Posts: 3,053	The thing that surprises me most is not that it keeps firing, but that at 12k rounds, its only about as dirty as my FAL with about 2-3k through it. About 800 of that was that dirty OFV stuff that was awesomely cheap. I've got that fungus (carbon buildup) on my handguard though not as thick, but my interenals and reciever look very much the same. Maybe I should give mine a bath Great Project James. I love taking equipment to the extreme to really see what they will hold up to. I've got an AK that since I purchased it I havn't cleaned it. As of a recent trip i've got about 5-6k through it. It's a standard SAR, I wanna see if the barrel will wear out before it jams. MY guess is yes, even with the mud and dirt that gets packed in. -myers __________________ http://myersarms.wordpress.com/

January 19, 2007, 09:58	#165
Mike in Seattle Registered FALaholic #: 15665 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 123	clean Ol' Dirty ? SACRELEGE ! Dlagrua; Sure, we all know that one should clean his weapon. But that's the entire point (I think) to James' excersise. If you've read the entire thread, the gas piston spring is BROKEN , and has been for several hundred~a few thousand (?) rounds. but Ol' Dirty still runs. From my perspective, James and Ol' Dirty has set, and CONTINUES to set, the "Benchmark of Reliability". One always hears about the "Legendary Reliability of the AK" I challenge any "Disciple of the AK" to simply match Ol' Dirty ,and the same for the "Desciple any platform" on the "reliablity issue" simply match Ol' Dirty ? Am I going to treat my FAL the same as James treats Ol' Dirty ? Not just "no",, but HELL NO!! After a shooting session, I bring her home, meticulously clean her, carefully lubricate her, give her a Kiss, and gently tuck my Princess into her softly padded case Here's a SALUTE to James and Ol' Dirty Mike

February 04, 2007, 13:29	#166
Falcon FAL Cognoscenti Contributor FALaholic #: 2049 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,779	How many clicks is the gas setting on, and have you had to adjust it along the way? __________________ Nicht Amboss Sondern Hammer

February 05, 2007, 23:10	#168
James Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 642 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX, USA Posts: 1,236	Posted by Diomed: Apparently part of the legend is keeping the details a secret... How do you figure that? James __________________ Hey guys, watch this!

November 02, 2006, 20:05	#157
English Mike Banned TROLL FALaholic #: 11339 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Whitehaven, England Posts: 13,425	James Have you done any comparisons as to the accuracy of the rifle in its present state, against when it was somewhat cleaner? I assume that umpteen thousand rounds will have had some effect on the bore but wonder if the lack of cleaning has made an appreciable difference to how well it groups.

November 21, 2006, 21:06	#159
7.62srbest Registered FALaholic #: 19762 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chesterfield, VA Posts: 254	I've seen several .22's this dirty, but never a real rifle. I just couldn't do that to something I liked. There must be something wrong with the FAL we've got. At the SW VA Appleseed my son would have to close the gas adjustment knob a turn or two about every 35 or 40 rnds. during the afternoon even though it was cleaned each morning. We got a new gas piston and tube for it but haven't put it on yet. Glad to hear the reputation is better than we've experienced. I have some hope again now and we might keep it.

November 22, 2006, 14:25	#160
Vic303 Registered FALaholic #: 20039 Join Date: May 2006 Location: tx Posts: 91	7.62s, maybe you should find a fal smith there who can open up your gas port hole a touch. That's what it took to get hubby's fal running (thanks Sledgehammer!!).

December 24, 2006, 19:06	#161
thomyt Registered FALaholic #: 23393 Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 89	Thats Amazing.

December 24, 2006, 21:59	#162
jbrooks Registered FALaholic #: 10395 Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,621	How 'bout a New Year's Round Count update?? JWB

December 28, 2006, 16:29	#163
BiGB808 Registered FALaholic #: 18195 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 735	does old dirty use the same magazine?..unlceaned the whole time?

January 18, 2007, 16:12	#164
Dlagrua Registered FALaholic #: 5347 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 98	and I thought that the AK was the ultimate reliable rifle. This is an incredible story. However, I would not recommend that any rife not be cleaned. Carbon is a very hard substance. Not cleaning a rife will result in greatly accelerated wear and a marked decrease in accuracy. Once the barrel throat is eroded gas blowby and any accuracy goes right out the window. The gun then becomes somewhat dangerous to shoot. I keep my rifes spotless and oiled so they are clean preserved and ready for any emergency!

February 04, 2007, 23:26	#167
Diomed Registered FALaholic #: 21212 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: US Posts: 722	Apparently part of the legend is keeping the details a secret...

February 05, 2007, 23:33	#169
James Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 642 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX, USA Posts: 1,236	Here are some answers to a few questions. Falcon, without going out and looking I'm not sure where it is set. I haven't touched in 5 or 6 years. I don't think my gas nut is number either so I don't really remember where it's set. I'll try to remember and take a picture of it and post it when I can. BiGB808, I have 20 t0 25 mags I load up and use them all the time. No cleaning on them either. English Mike, best info I could find is that back in Nov 2003 Tex shot a 2" group at 100 yds with Dirty. Round count was 5400. It's over twice that now so I guess I should see what it will do soon. James __________________ Hey guys, watch this!

February 08, 2007, 21:24	#175
creator0203 Registered FALaholic #: 17864 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: idaho Posts: 904	O so ugly its beautiful __________________ 5.45 Junkie Why wouldn't you hunt with an FAL? Home is where they understand you. - Garfield "I love my Beater AK" Rivet it and forget it Even my AR spits commie led

February 09, 2007, 16:29	#178
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,109	.................King James................. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

February 09, 2007, 22:01	#179
James Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 642 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX, USA Posts: 1,236	Posted by John Hardin, ...I wonder if a L1A1 sand-cut bolt carrier would have affected whether or not it reliably cycles without lubrication? I think what happens when it is not lubed is that all that crap on the rails and bolt carrier gets kind of sticky and it takes a lot more power to cycle the bolt. Once I put some oil on it everything works OK. James __________________ Hey guys, watch this!

February 10, 2007, 00:16	#180
neonnoodle Registered FALaholic #: 10434 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 250	Someone needs to start a pool on how long she'll go. That's always comforting to read this thread and know the proven capability of the FAL. Keep the updates coming.

February 11, 2007, 11:50	#182
Aifwikir Registered FALaholic #: 2187 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Magazine, Arkansas Posts: 3,061	Has anyone on ARF.com tried this with an AR? Aif __________________ Cosmo the Lene,,, Smeller of old grease! http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m...ber3575new.jpg

February 11, 2007, 11:52	#183
MarkBall Registered FALaholic #: 11060 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Yuma AZ, 300 days of sunshine!!!! Posts: 2,558	Don't think anyone at Arf.com tried this, but thousands of soldiers have tried to make the AR run when it's dirty. It won't when it's this dirty. __________________ Mark Life is just what we experience, sometimes it's bigger than we imagine. January 8, 2009 heart attack central. What a fugkin wake-up call. Time to make life right.........

February 16, 2007, 20:07	#185
Falcon FAL Cognoscenti Contributor FALaholic #: 2049 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,779	james, Thanks for taking the time to post the photo's, and more importantly proving the FAL's gas operated,tilting bolt design is truly steadfast. __________________ Nicht Amboss Sondern Hammer

February 16, 2007, 20:07	#186
jugrunner Registered FALaholic #: 19911 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,500	I'm amazed everytime I check this thread ... __________________ ... ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ... _____________________________________________ "Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me." _____________________________________________ one of the proud "unwashed" ...

February 22, 2007, 03:17	#188
dirtyrice Registered FALaholic #: 20129 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 5,782	Oh it's gotta be higher than that. I need to buy one of those just for laughs . Only photo I got with brass in the air all day. Still running strong. Last edited by dirtyrice; February 22, 2007 at 03:27.

February 23, 2007, 09:42	#190
THECARREAPER Registered FALaholic #: 26083 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: southeast Posts: 61	amazing read..... thanks for sharing this......

March 07, 2007, 09:47	#191
MordeanGrey Registered FALaholic #: 457 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: KS Posts: 2,708	James, How about a picture of the gas piston and gas tube... if you can get it out. How much junk has worked its way into the space in the lower around the hammer, etc.? __________________ "Life is 10% what happens, and 90% how you react to it" __________________ “I’d rather live one year as a lion, than a thousand as a sheep.” -- Jimmy Page, Led Zeppelin

March 08, 2007, 15:31	#192
flight 556 Registered FALaholic #: 3944 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: north texas Posts: 579	I'd be willing to bet the round count now is going to increase at a much slower rate since Port has achieved the rare military cartridges of the world status. __________________ When you understand the nature of a thing, then you understand what it is capable of.

March 09, 2007, 18:02	#193
FranzLiebkind Registered FALaholic #: 6825 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Yawk Posts: 351	do we have a new round count? __________________ "If there be trouble, let it be in my day that my children may know peace" Patrick Henry

March 14, 2007, 06:31	#194
cookiemonster Registered FALaholic #: 3459 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Willis Posts: 56	is it me or does the shirt appear to have a 30 round mag in Old Dirty? I am sure that the only rifle that CAN come close to Old Dirty would be an AK...I have shown several people up here at work and they are amazed at the capabilities of these rifles... I do have a question...how dirty do you get James when you shoot her? lol D __________________ Darrell "With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth...asking His blessing and His help but knowing that here on Earth, God's work must surely be our own." John F. Kennedy Vitesse Et Puissance NRA TSRA

May 29, 2007, 17:58	#196
Fallschirmjager Registered FALaholic #: 2470 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 328	Ah Yes. The rifle of legend. Geeze talk about an incredible example of what good engineering can do. Don't ever clean that rifle. If you do it would probably fall apart. I had a bicycle as a kid that I never did anything to for years. I finally broke down and did a good cleanup, oil and grease everything. After that it started having problems. I broke the MoJo that was keeping it going. I'd like to know how much the ammo bill is so far for the rifle. And considering the cost of ammo increase how long can he continue feeding it? __________________ Oh what the heck, just throw the grenade and be done with it!

May 30, 2007, 08:43	#197
younggun Registered FALaholic #: 18437 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: nc Posts: 1,581	Will old dirty break before, james goes broke? doesjames have a big enough cache to continue the experiment? and of most importance whats the round count at? __________________ [This space for rent, PM for details]

May 30, 2007, 11:07	#198
Azrial Registered FALaholic #: 21440 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA! Posts: 4,198	I have never bothered to read this post before. This is a amazing tribute to the FAL! James is setting a record that I doubt that if ever broken, will fail to be documented. I have become a regular reader and will be looking forward to updates! __________________ A Police Officer shows just how much he cares everyday, even if it is the last thing he ever does.

July 04, 2007, 08:08	#199
dieudonne Registered FALaholic #: 22862 Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 480	I dunno something in me wants to call FPS Fal Protective Services right away for sustained neglect and abuse----part of me mourns that rifle just because FALs are the honor students of battle/assault weapons

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