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Old January 03, 2018, 14:03   #1
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Battle of Lima Site 85

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lima_Site_85

I stumbled across this link.

It is a bit of a long read, but the outcome is so typical of how the whole damn Vietnam War was managed, that it just pisses you off.
Dead Heros, for sure.
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Old January 03, 2018, 16:16   #2
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Old January 03, 2018, 18:26   #3
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Interestingly, that battle had an aerial victory like no other. The Viets tried to bomb the sight with AN-2 biplanes dropping 120 mm mortar bombs on the facility. An Air America Huey that was faster than the biplanes caught up to one and the flight mechanic used an AK to shoot it out of the sky.

The raid was successful for the Viets but the officer in charge ended up court martialed as he killed American prisoners by throwing them off a cliff and destroying all the electronic equipment. The Soviets wanted the technicians alive and the equipment intact.
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Old January 03, 2018, 19:10   #4
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So many people have no clue about a Lima Site. Had a friend now gone that was in country for seven years straight flying for Air America. Call sign "Tiny" if anyone remembers him. He sure loved the Pilatus PC-6 Porter and had some unreal pics. of places he landed them. Sides of some of these mountain strips were littered with previous ones bent up on landings.
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worked with a lot of guys that flew for Air American, told some great stories about dropping hard rice (guns & ammo) into a lot of Lima sites, flying combat it the T-28 out Laos, etc.
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worked with a lot of guys that flew for Air American, told some great stories about dropping hard rice (guns & ammo) into a lot of Lima sites, flying combat it the T-28 out Laos, etc.

Man if you could turn back time this would be my pick......I remember "Tiny" told me of one time flying a Birddog that he picked up a civilian that had a briefcase handcuffed to his wrist. This was South of Da Nang and they flew North and landed at a remote strip and he got off. All this and he said they never spoke a word and he was picked up by locals. He refueled from a barrel of fuel they carted out and went back to Dong Ha never knowing what was in the briefcase that needed to be attached to his wrist.

He had a mountain of pictures of this time he spent in country and let another mutual friend have them. This person just passed last week so now i am in the process to try and take possession of these pictures. Lots of pics. of Raven pilots also with the beautiful three sided elephant in their insignia on the side of their aircraft.



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Good read....This sh** kills me and i can't get my mind off of it. I remember the A-26 also used a lot. Wonder if they had OnMark spar mod back then?
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Whats the pilot/cptn badass carrying as a sidearm? Looks like a wheel gun
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lima_Site_85

I stumbled across this link.

It is a bit of a long read, but the outcome is so typical of how the whole damn Vietnam War was managed, that it just pisses you off.
Dead Heros, for sure.
http://www.sgtmacsbar.com/CCTPhotos/...Laos/Laos.html

One of my old career field (CCT) was on Lima 85. Unfortunately, he passed away before the story was declassified so we (my old career field) were never able to get the full story from him.

The Butterfly FACS were enlisted CCT and did the mission until replaced by the RAVEN FACS.
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worked with a lot of guys that flew for Air American, told some great stories about dropping hard rice (guns & ammo) into a lot of Lima sites, flying combat it the T-28 out Laos, etc.
I worked on T-28's at Hurlburt Field in '72-'73. We were training Laotian pilots. Had one break a main wing spar pulling out of a strafing run. IP and pilot trainee both died. They grounded the squadron, and found a bunch more cracked spars. IIRC the planes were all early '50's vintage.
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