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Old December 24, 2017, 22:28   #1
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Watching FAUX Newz on Andy Jackson...what stupidity !

FAUX is attempting to paint Jackson up as winning the 1812 War

Well FAUX idiots, that war was already over by the time England attacked New Orleans !
Yeah the peace declaration was already signed, had been for a few weeks.

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The only reason Jackson won was because he made a devil's bargain with Jean LaFette, a well known criminal pirate.

It was their powder, their cannon and their shot and yes pirate gunners that made a mess of the English ranks. Not American troops
It was nasty criminals with swords that cut down the Red Coats

Deal was they were given amnesty for past misdeeds but the vast majority went back to Gulf Coast piracy.

G-d how I detest FAUX TV
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Jackson was a loose Cannon but he was destined for greater things, like relocating native Americans and eventually the Presidency.

The popular song about the battle, sealed his fate in history, long ago.
I know he was not there when the Brits burned down the White House, but Obama may have been.
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Jackson was a piece of shit. liar, douche & father of democrat party. the devil has a buddy named abdy jackass.
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However, he DID balance the budget AND reduce the national debt to ZERO, the ONLY president to ever do so...
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Ironically , the War of 1812 was 'over ' when Jackson put together a winning coalition and won a devastating victory over the Brits. Some historians have proffered that terrible loss removed from the minds of the Brits any further ideas of retaking the 'colonies'.
The fact that the combatants did not know that hostilities had officially, 'technically' been ended in no wise detracts from the significance of Jackson's victory.

Perhaps Jackson's greatest victory and test of courage (though short lived) was his shutting down of the '2nd National Bank', forerunner of the Fed Reserve. I think that act alone, enshrines him as one of the greatest of our presidents.
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He had some really high high's, and some really low lows, like the way he treated native Americans. Can't like him as a man.
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Folks try to make our dead live by today's values when they won't even stand up for them. Sad really.
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Old December 27, 2017, 08:19   #8
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Jean Laffite and his brother would not even be a footnote in American history without Andrew Jackson,
Not long before the Battle of New Orleans a American flotilla raided his base in Baratvia Bay at the mouth of the Mississippi River estuary and seized all his ships, cannon and stores except for the small craft he escaped on.
Laffite and his men as artillery cannoneer's played a important part in the battle and planning strategy in exchange for the amnesty authorized by Jackson,,, they may have even killed the two Senior British force commanders with grape shot leaving the attackers in a confused leaderless condition on the battlefield,,, none of that happened without Jackson,,, all other were subordinate pawns on his game board,,, Jackson came to N.O.La to lead men in battle,,, and he did.

Fox News is the only national media outlet pursuing the same political reformation goals and reporting as I want seen done,,, they are the only news media that present detailed point, counterpoint views.
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However, he DID balance the budget AND reduce the national debt to ZERO, the ONLY president to ever do so...
And perhaps most importantly the last one to successfully take on the international banking cartel and run them off the North American continent, or at least most of it. An accomplishment that lasted effectively until 1913.
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Ironically , the War of 1812 was 'over ' when Jackson put together a winning coalition and won a devastating victory over the Brits. Some historians have proffered that terrible loss removed from the minds of the Brits any further ideas of retaking the 'colonies'.
The fact that the combatants did not know that hostilities had officially, 'technically' been ended in no wise detracts from the significance of Jackson's victory.

Perhaps Jackson's greatest victory and test of courage (though short lived) was his shutting down of the '2nd National Bank', forerunner of the Fed Reserve. I think that act alone, enshrines him as one of the greatest of our presidents.
Yep, and I'm pretty sure his vision of the Democrat Party was a far shot from what it has become.

Easy to blame historical figures 100+ years down the road, however - if one was living through it, might have had a much different perspective.

I wouldn't have been born in Oklahoma if not for the Indian Removal Act. So - Thanks, Mr. Jackson. I wish I was as tough as that old SOB was.
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Ironically , the War of 1812 was 'over ' when Jackson put together a winning coalition and won a devastating victory over the Brits. Some historians have proffered that terrible loss removed from the minds of the Brits any further ideas of retaking the 'colonies'.
The fact that the combatants did not know that hostilities had officially, 'technically' been ended in no wise detracts from the significance of Jackson's victory.
I guess he failed to keep up with his emails or he would have known or maybe he did and just wanted to keep on killin for the hell of it?
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I guess he failed to keep up with his emails or he would have known or maybe he did and just wanted to keep on killin for the hell of it?
Killin' Brits just never gets old.

Especially if you look up Jackson's history with redcoat invaders during the first War of Independence.
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Jean Laffite and his brother would not even be a footnote in American history without Andrew Jackson,
Not long before the Battle of New Orleans a American flotilla raided his base in Baratvia Bay at the mouth of the Mississippi River estuary and seized all his ships, cannon and stores except for the small craft he escaped on.
Laffite and his men as artillery cannoneer's played a important part in the battle and planning strategy in exchange for the amnesty authorized by Jackson,,, they may have even killed the two Senior British force commanders with grape shot leaving the attackers in a confused leaderless condition on the battlefield,,, none of that happened without Jackson,,, all other were subordinate pawns on his game board,,, Jackson came to N.O.La to lead men in battle,,, and he did.

Fox News is the only national media outlet pursuing the same political reformation goals and reporting as I want seen done,,, they are the only news media that present detailed point, counterpoint views.
Mostly agreed, still reality is often something they mall up and mar as badly as the clowns on MSNBC

Again, the War was already over and done, neither side knew it though.

Jackson's troops were already well spent from the march, further the Pirate Gang knew the lay of the land far better than either side. Even Jackson himself credited those Men as saving the day.

As far as Jackson himself ?
Certainly an interesting character.
For example he had one serious personal history of murdering other Men over any personal slight. Fought quite a number of duels. Pretty much an American Psychotic
No, dueling wasn't all that common, particularly with Knives which was Andy's preference. Crazy bastard wasn't even stopped after the practice was federally illegalized.
He was a straight up murderer.

Have you perchance read up on his Inaugral riot ?
I forget how many barrels of Whiskey were brought in and drank in DC that day. Jackson opened up the Whitehouse to the masses of frontiersmen that came in droves, they were the Deplorables of the period.
As History tells it they about destroyed the Whitehouse between the theft and the burning of even furniture in bonfires in their drunken glee
Elite Washingtonians were pretty much appalled.
Allegedly the party went on for a number of days with Jackson totally shitfaced the whole time.

Not bringing these matters up as any slight against Andy, he was simply the most badassed President America has ever had and should be recognized as such not painted up as some President Sparkle Pony as is oft the case in FAUX media.

As far as Democrat Party comments
Well prior to the election of Jackson the name of that party was the Democratic Republicans as founded by Thomas Jefferson to oppose the Federalists. Jackson was a big player within it.
Andy's election split the DR into the Whigs vs the Democrats whom at the time still maintained an emphasis on States Rights.

What we call the Republican party today was formed largely by German immigrants in Wisconsin who supported much of Karl Marx's ideology in Das Kapital fused with elements of Federalist doctrine.
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Using todays politically correct social etiquette on events that occurred over 100 years ago is a mistake,, also Jackson had something very rare today,, he had self confidence to spare, not just a boozer's audacity,,, LBJ was shit faced much of the time while in office and all the time when he was no longer in office,,, and then there was Grant, he was DUI and a functioning alcoholic most of his adult life.
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that lyin piece of dhit sits in hell. a nice read from the douche bad hisself.

http://www.teachushistory.org/indian...ndians-jackson

"The choice now is before you. May the Great Spirit teach you how to choose. The fate of your women and children, the fate of your people to the remotest generation, depend upon the issue. Deceive yourselves no longer. Do not cherish the belief that you can ever resume your former political situation, while you continue in your present residence. As certain as the sun shines to guide you in your path, so certain is it that you cannot drive back the laws of Georgia from among you. Every year will increase your difficulties. Look at the condition of the Creeks. See the collisions which are taking place with them. See how their young men are committing depredations upon the property of our citizens, and are shedding their blood. This cannot and will not be allowed. Punishment will follow, and all who are engaged in these offences must suffer. Your young men will commit the same acts, and the same consequences must ensue.

Think then of all these things. Shut your ears to bad consels. Look at your condition as it now is, and then consider what it will be if you follow the advice I give you."

spoken like the lyin shit bag he was.
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that lyin piece of dhit sits in hell. a nice read from the douche bad hisself.

http://www.teachushistory.org/indian...ndians-jackson

"The choice now is before you. May the Great Spirit teach you how to choose. The fate of your women and children, the fate of your people to the remotest generation, depend upon the issue. Deceive yourselves no longer. Do not cherish the belief that you can ever resume your former political situation, while you continue in your present residence. As certain as the sun shines to guide you in your path, so certain is it that you cannot drive back the laws of Georgia from among you. Every year will increase your difficulties. Look at the condition of the Creeks. See the collisions which are taking place with them. See how their young men are committing depredations upon the property of our citizens, and are shedding their blood. This cannot and will not be allowed. Punishment will follow, and all who are engaged in these offences must suffer. Your young men will commit the same acts, and the same consequences must ensue.

Think then of all these things. Shut your ears to bad consels. Look at your condition as it now is, and then consider what it will be if you follow the advice I give you."

spoken like the lyin shit bag he was.
Not one of his finest hours to be sure. On the other hand it's hard to call this an out and out lie because this would presuppose that the Cherokee COULD have remained as they were. It wasn't gonna happen no matter what. Andy was mostly just giving it to 'em straight to be honest.
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the greasy georgians & jackson stole the land in the east & then stole the land in oklahoma which was supposed to be indian territory.

when the gov tells you its for your own good ya better watch the f$&k out.
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Hey 302, could have been worse. He have shipped them up to Massachusetts.
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the greasy georgians & jackson stole the land in the east & then stole the land in oklahoma which was supposed to be indian territory.

when the gov tells you its for your own good ya better watch the f$&k out.
Well, the land my Grandma Still was granted stayed in the family until the 30s or 40s when my granddad sold it.

Pretty sure the land run you are no doubt referring to hadn't been imagined in Jackson's lifetime. Furthermore, the Trail of Tears (that Grandma Still walked) happened after Jackson's administration, though he constructed the Act that allowed it. It's said he regretted the suffering of the Indians for the rest of his life.

BTW - the Cherokees had some serious bloodletting back east, and in Oklahoma shortly after the treaty was signed. Some believed they should fight, others saw white encroachment as inevitable, and this was the best deal they could get. A very few stayed in the hills and still occupy places in NC, TN, GA, etc...

Ask yourself honestly how the Creek and Cherokee came to own, occupy, and control that stretch of land before whites came to North America. Think they were "gifted" it by previous occupants, lol?
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0302. .do you handle $20 bills ?a lot of NAs dont Im told.and good for you When they eventually put omammas pic on a bill I will not handle one,assuming Im still alive when it happens.d
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The Brits attacked New Orleans and they were NOT going to give it back, even if they later learned that the War had been over.

Jackson and Lafitte simply made it possible for the US to avoid having to organize an Army to remove the Brits, who would have been well entrenched.

Remember, NOLA was part of the Louisiana Purchase that we took control of in 1804. It was ours. We bought it from France, not England.

What part of "Brits Invade USA" is complicated?
Jackson and Lafitte should still be honored today for what they did, as heros.

The Native American issue was on that was decided by War and Conquest in the hundred years+ war we had from 1776 to 1890. I see no movement to give the west back to anyone. It is not on Ryan Zinke's or Trumps calendar.

DACL pipeline got built, in fact.

The UN and plenty of democrats think that the entire USA is a bogus concept by greedy white men, and is still rightfully owned by Britain and the Native Americans.

Each to their own opinion on our heros, like Jackson and Black Jack Pershing, who was about as decorated as Audie Murphy.
I am sure that the Phillipines consider the Japs as having killed far more citizens than Pershing.

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the greasy georgians & jackson stole the land in the east & then stole the land in oklahoma which was supposed to be indian territory.

when the gov tells you its for your own good ya better watch the f$&k out.
Nothing I can say will change your view since it's all about your Indian heritage. I bet it's the same way the blacks felt as they were sold into slavery and the white southerners felt as the north raped their land and destroyed their lives. Probably just piss you off more to point out the nomads we called indians really only had their lives to lose compared to being forced into slavery.

The white man came here with change and you adapt or die. The Indians lived for how many generations as hunter gatherers, do you think they would ever have changed if the Whiteman never showed up?
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Jackson had balls. Something most folks haven't seen in such a long time that they don't even recognize them, even when they smack HRC right off her supposed throne in 2016 like wrecking balls. Judging Jackson, or any other historical figure for that matter, by today's sensitivities without correcting for perspective will always result in a flawed foundation for whatever argument that follows.

IMO, he was one of the baddest mofo's we've ever had at the helm. A hero and a national treasure. We could use him again.
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Jackson had balls. Something most folks haven't seen in such a long time that they don't even recognize them, even when they smack HRC right off her supposed throne in 2016 like wrecking balls. Judging Jackson, or any other historical figure for that matter, by today's sensitivities without correcting for perspective will always result in a flawed foundation for whatever argument that follows.

IMO, he was one of the baddest mofo's we've ever had at the helm. A hero and a national treasure. We could use him again.
I believe I saw somewhere that our current POTUS is a bit of a fan. I find that interesting, and somewhat encouraging.
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And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Jackson & his ilk , those who murdered the innocents, deceived, stole land reside in hell. thats good enough for me.
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He pursued the "Renegade Indians" and "run away slaves" into Florida and chased the Spanish or they simply with drew for they were over extended back to St. Augustine, with the intention of taking Florida for the robber Barrons which eyed all the Cypress wood and wanted sugar plantations set up. All the wood was illegally cut and floated down the various rivers for profit of the afore mentioned. I found a shell of a huge cypress off the Hillsborough river in Tampa 12 feet across with still planking notches in it in 1999. They sawed as low as they could.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Territory

La Florida, which was under Spanish Control in 1812, was invaded by Jackson and a raft of other Southerners.

Spain gave it up in 1819 to us, after Jackson had warred throughout the territory of La Florida, a foreign country, for years.

La Florida had a long history of allowing free blacks under Spanish rule.
Britain took it over in the 1763 from Spain, after 200 years of Spanish rule, and free blacks fled to Havana, as the colonies loved slavery.

Britain and then gave it back to Spain in 1781, as a result of the American Revolution when the Brits got out.

At that time, in 1781, free blacks were legal again, and many free blacks returned from Havana, until Jackson and Army came in after 1812.

Florida became a state in 1845, mostly free of Seminoles and any free blacks.

The history of this land is one of war and conquest.

Once they buffalo were about gone by 1876, the plains Indians were doomed.
The Commanche had been defeated in Texas and Oklahoma by then, leaving the Souix and SW Native Americans to fight it out, with Generals Crook, et al.

Today, the legalization of Native American Casinos and cigarette factories is a sort of after the fact, reparations issue.

I am waiting for the BLM to set up casinos on reservations like in Chicago and St Louis.
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Jackson had balls. Something most folks haven't seen in such a long time that they don't even recognize them, even when they smack HRC right off her supposed throne in 2016 like wrecking balls. Judging Jackson, or any other historical figure for that matter, by today's sensitivities without correcting for perspective will always result in a flawed foundation for whatever argument that follows.

IMO, he was one of the baddest mofo's we've ever had at the helm. A hero and a national treasure. We could use him again.
That was my very point. Jackson was an animal, a Man who held extremely strong opinions and you either treated him with respect or he would probably murder your sorry ass dead with his own hands.

History should not be sugar coated like a child's cerial...plenty of danger in that.

On the Indian Removal Act
Quite the interesting back story is that at the time the Cherokee were major holders of Negro Slaves particularly in Georgia. Accounts vary however there was easily multiple thousands. This was tremendous wealth. The Nation had mostly adopted White customs, dwellings, these were not wild Indians, they were wealthy Indians.

The real reason for the Act was a Land & Slave grab by certain Whites and Land theft not at all unique in our history.
Same was done starting prior to the War between the States in Missouri by Federal authorities to citizens there. Then to the Nez Perces in the Columbia basin. Feds did this shit building the TVA. Same deal to California Japanese Americans.

With the Indian Act there were a whole mess of slaves that were seized and auctioned off. Huge $$$s involved. Just a handful went west to Oklahomo, those were slaves that had been adopted or married into native families. The rest became government property.

Yeah I like Jackson almost as much as I love Jefferson. These were Men who opposed Federalist doctrine. That's what even the Democratic Party stood for during and after the rebellion. The party of Lincoln has been neo-Federalist since it's start in 1856. Democrats really only lost their head with the election of Woodrow Wilson.

V and I have differing views on Black Jack Pershing. His is laced with hero worship I simply see him as a tremendous soldier and officer who was a product of the late Indian Wars eradication ethos.
See Genocide was never seen as a bad thing up until WWII, mankind had been doing it before recorded history and like every race and culture practiced it really including the tribes of Israel. It's nothing to be ashamed of or defend others over that were part of the past or even present. It's simply a natural condition in my opinion. No need to sugar coat things for Snow Flakes. Jackson was a hard Man, he was never gentle eloi...he was a Morlock.

The eloi caste make rather poor leaders, we just went through eight long years of that shit. Understand, Trump is far from the Morlock we need either but he is about as good as we could get at this stage in the game of Life.

Yeah Donald is a trip. Pay attention to Oval office pix, quite a few of them are staged with Andy's portrait in the background, enough so that I feel it's totally deliberate.
Understand Trump tore out a bunch of Obama garbage from his office having that portrait installed as well as having the Churchill bust returned. Now I detest Churchill but I have no issue with Donald having his bust in his office, simply not my hero

Yeah Andy liked to get all boozed up
big deal, American Men have been this way for over two centuries even during prohibition

He was a bit over 6' with red hair and a very short fuse to his temper
of course both Washington and Jefferson were Gingers too with equally short temperments...LOL
Interesting thing is Andy was one of the few ever elected without a wife. He was a widower who mostly screwed whores as our executive but that too was quite normal back then for many Men.
I am quite sure his girls were well compensated for his lechery...
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La Florida, which was under Spanish Control in 1812, was invaded by Jackson and a raft of other Southerners.

Spain gave it up in 1819 to us, after Jackson had warred throughout the territory of La Florida, a foreign country, for years.

La Florida had a long history of allowing free blacks under Spanish rule.
Britain took it over in the 1763 from Spain, after 200 years of Spanish rule, and free blacks fled to Havana, as the colonies loved slavery.

Britain and then gave it back to Spain in 1781, as a result of the American Revolution when the Brits got out.

At that time, in 1781, free blacks were legal again, and many free blacks returned from Havana, until Jackson and Army came in after 1812.

Florida became a state in 1845, mostly free of Seminoles and any free blacks.

The history of this land is one of war and conquest.

Once they buffalo were about gone by 1876, the plains Indians were doomed.
The Commanche had been defeated in Texas and Oklahoma by then, leaving the Souix and SW Native Americans to fight it out, with Generals Crook, et al.

Today, the legalization of Native American Casinos and cigarette factories is a sort of after the fact, reparations issue.

I am waiting for the BLM to set up casinos on reservations like in Chicago and St Louis.
Agreed but for one thing
there were thousands of Seminoles in the swamps. The Feds gave up, it was way to costly a war V

btw, the last Indian war was not on the Plains or SW, it was in Minnesota
Chief BugshigONay was found guilty of Contempt in Fed Court in Duluth. Band bailed him out, went back to Leech Lake
Twin cities panicked and railed up State militia
Sent them across the lake on steamer to attack a village, the warriors filled them up with lead V. That was the last recognized Indian War in America

Bug had sued over his band not being paid treaty payments. His brace of 1890 Remington revolvers and .45-75 76' Winchester used to be in the museum in Walker MN. I ran a metal detector over the battle site years ago, found over 50 casings and I missed most
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I'll throw this out there...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sugar_Point

elders claim natives were hit, no kills though militia was chewed up good by native marksmen armed with lever guns
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Jackson had balls. Something most folks haven't seen in such a long time that they don't even recognize them, even when they smack HRC right off her supposed throne in 2016 like wrecking balls. Judging Jackson, or any other historical figure for that matter, by today's sensitivities without correcting for perspective will always result in a flawed foundation for whatever argument that follows.

IMO, he was one of the baddest mofo's we've ever had at the helm. A hero and a national treasure. We could use him again.
That was my very point. Jackson was an animal, a Man who held extremely strong opinions and you either treated him with respect or he would probably murder your sorry ass dead with his own hands.

History should not be sugar coated like a child's cerial...plenty of danger in that.

On the Indian Removal Act
Quite the interesting back story is that at the time the Cherokee were major holders of Negro Slaves particularly in Georgia. Accounts vary however there was easily multiple thousands. This was tremendous wealth. The Nation had mostly adopted White customs, dwellings, these were not wild Indians, they were wealthy Indians.

The real reason for the Act was a Land & Slave grab by certain Whites and Land theft not at all unique in our history.
Same was done starting prior to the War between the States in Missouri by Federal authorities to citizens there. Then to the Nez Perces in the Columbia basin. Feds did this shit building the TVA. Same deal to California Japanese Americans.

With the Indian Act there were a whole mess of slaves that were seized and auctioned off. Huge $$$s involved. Just a handful went west to Oklahomo, those were slaves that had been adopted or married into native families. The rest became government property.

Yeah I like Jackson almost as much as I love Jefferson. These were Men who opposed Federalist doctrine. That's what even the Democratic Party stood for during and after the rebellion. The party of Lincoln has been neo-Federalist since it's start in 1856. Democrats really only lost their head with the election of Woodrow Wilson.

V and I have differing views on Black Jack Pershing. His is laced with hero worship I simply see him as a tremendous soldier and officer who was a product of the late Indian Wars eradication ethos.
See Genocide was never seen as a bad thing up until WWII, mankind had been doing it before recorded history and like every race and culture practiced it really including the tribes of Israel. It's nothing to be ashamed of or defend others over that were part of the past or even present. It's simply a natural condition in my opinion. No need to sugar coat things for Snow Flakes. Jackson was a hard Man, he was never gentle eloi...he was a Morlock.

The eloi caste make rather poor leaders, we just went through eight long years of that shit. Understand, Trump is far from the Morlock we need either but he is about as good as we could get at this stage in the game of Life.

Yeah Donald is a trip. Pay attention to Oval office pix, quite a few of them are staged with Andy's portrait in the background, enough so that I feel it's totally deliberate.
Understand Trump tore out a bunch of Obama garbage from his office having that portrait installed as well as having the Churchill bust returned. Now I detest Churchill but I have no issue with Donald having his bust in his office, simply not my hero

Yeah Andy liked to get all boozed up
big deal, American Men have been this way for over two centuries even during prohibition

He was a bit over 6' with red hair and a very short fuse to his temper
of course both Washington and Jefferson were Gingers too with equally short temperments...LOL
Interesting thing is Andy was one of the few ever elected without a wife. He was a widower who mostly screwed whores as our executive but that too was quite normal back then for many Men.
I am quite sure his girls were well compensated for his lechery...
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Many posting apparently know little about the Cherokee tribe and their status at the time of removal. They were not at war with the USA and were not savages riding bareback in loincloths. They were a highly civilized culture with their own newspaper, alphabet and school system. They were quite successful at assimilating into the white culture at that time. Cherokees and Creeks actually served with and fought with Jackson in many battles. Lyncoya Jackson was the second adopted son of Jackson and his wife Rachel Jackson. He was born to Creek (Muscogee/Red Stick) parents and was orphaned during the Creek War. Yet he seemed to turn on them later and had them illegally removed. The Removal Act of 1830 was signed by Jackson and the removal of the Cherokees was done while Jackson was President (1829 to 1837).
BTW, the Cherokees fought and won a judgment in the Supreme Court against their removal from the Eastern Seaboard, but Jackson ignored it.
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Furthermore, the Trail of Tears (that Grandma Still walked) happened after Jackson's administration, though he constructed the Act that allowed it.
Various tribes were removed from 1830 to 1850. The most infamous "Trail of Tears" and the one the public knows about was the Cherokee removal of 1838 and Jackson was still President.
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Many posting apparently know little about the Cherokee tribe and their status at the time of removal. They were not at war with the USA and were not savages riding bareback in loincloths. They were a highly civilized culture with their own newspaper, alphabet and school system. They were quite successful at assimilating into the white culture at that time. Cherokees and Creeks actually served with and fought with Jackson in many battles. Lyncoya Jackson was the second adopted son of Jackson and his wife Rachel Jackson. He was born to Creek (Muscogee/Red Stick) parents and was orphaned during the Creek War. Yet he seemed to turn on them later and had them illegally removed. The Removal Act of 1830 was signed by Jackson and the removal of the Cherokees was done while Jackson was President (1829 to 1837).
BTW, the Cherokees fought and won a judgment in the Supreme Court against their removal from the Eastern Seaboard, but Jackson ignored it.
Yeah that remains a Stain upon him I can not easily dismiss.
The Cherokee had enough wealth to take the matter before the Supreme Court. Jackson just ignored the rule of law as he always had and did his own thing.. That's what makes him a pile of turd.

Basically the Court found that the Nation were indeed Citizens, Jacksonites argued they had no lawful standing in the republic and were without any rights under the Constitution

This idiot thinking stood well into the 20th century as part of Federal Indian policy
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Jackson had balls. Something most folks haven't seen in such a long time that they don't even recognize them,

IMO, he was one of the baddest mofo's we've ever had at the helm. A hero and a national treasure. We could use him again.

Jackson was a murdering thief.

He was a part of the plan designed by the Founders to rid the country of the Indian. British trading post owners were told to allow Indian tribes to go deep in debt. When they couldn't pay, the British would try to get the tribe to hand over their lands to settle the debt. Sometimes they'd bribe the chief into approving it. If it was a no-go they'd force them off using guys like Jackson. The presidency was his reward for being a loyal servant. The British then sold the land cheap to Americans land speculators and they in turn sold it to large scale farmers that would farm the land until it was no good, the move on to another parcel. Thomas Jefferson was also a part of this. The largest stain on his record IMO.
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America was a far different place in the 1800's.
The post Civil War history of the West is a good example.
Lots of PTSD was worked out in social settings.

We killed off the buffalo, the Indians, Mexicans, rustlers/bandits, and anyone else who needed killing, before the law finally matured enough to bring a semblance of civilization to the land.

Today the basic nature of man lies just below the surface and can be seen in ghetto man's violence.

We are all just a hairsbreadth away from open warfare in any country. We just have the luxury of the 2nd amendment that gives us a bit of a clamp down on the have-nots, but not coup d 'etats done by pen.
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So what would the country be like without the whiteman? Let's just say America was never discovered so what would life be like for the Indians? Would the Inca still be murdering other tribes in blood sacrifice? Would there be a bridge to cross any river, roads to travel and trade on? Hospitals or dentist, any science to make medicine? Would they have built the loom or gather cotton for making clothes? Would they still wander the country looking for food as hunter gatherers?

Just saying the Indians were on this land for many generations yet about the best you can say was they were noble savages. Ya I know that sounds bad it's what killed them, they had no progress so civilization wiped them out. If they would have been discovered by today's people they would have been given welfare and an education but early generations didn't see it that way.
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So what would the country be like without the whiteman? Let's just say America was never discovered so what would life be like for the Indians? Would the Inca still be murdering other tribes in blood sacrifice? Would there be a bridge to cross any river, roads to travel and trade on? Hospitals or dentist, any science to make medicine? Would they have built the loom or gather cotton for making clothes? Would they still wander the country looking for food as hunter gatherers?

Just saying the Indians were on this land for many generations yet about the best you can say was they were noble savages. Ya I know that sounds bad it's what killed them, they had no progress so civilization wiped them out. If they would have been discovered by today's people they would have been given welfare and an education but early generations didn't see it that way.
man you are totally Vapid

1st off the Inca and Mexica built many bridges
The Aztec capital was in the middle of a damn lake retard.

Dentistry ?
Invented in ancient America
root canals, fillings, etc were being done here well before any White influance.

same with cataract surgery

We had superior weapons, that's about it, the rest of European technology was in the Stone age

Looms were ancient in America btw retard
seen some retarded shit online but this takes the 2017 award for stupidity.
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i realize most Americans knowledge of American history & especially American Indian is limited to tv shows & maybe a high school class. the relationship with the American Indian is very complex & misunderstood. the Cherokees & others were working hard on integrating into the U.S. but still betrayed by the likes of Jackson. The Civil War was devastating, over 25% of the tribe lost, but today the average Cherokee has no frickin idea of their own recent history. A lot of Americans helped the Cherokees, like Sam Houston, Christians, others, & I think that helped ensure the survival of many Indians.
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i realize most Americans knowledge of American history & especially American Indian is limited to tv shows & maybe a high school class. the relationship with the American Indian is very complex & misunderstood. the Cherokees & others were working hard on integrating into the U.S. but still betrayed by the likes of Jackson. The Civil War was devastating, over 25% of the tribe lost, but today the average Cherokee has no frickin idea of their own recent history. A lot of Americans helped the Cherokees, like Sam Houston, Christians, others, & I think that helped ensure the survival of many Indians.
Many young Navajo are equally ignorant of their heritage. See lots of them talking, dressing and attempting to behave like gang bangers out of Chiraq and Detroit. Totally ignorant of their tribal history and traditions. The venerated Code Talkers would have whipped their asses...
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i realize most Americans knowledge of American history & especially American Indian is limited to tv shows & maybe a high school class. the relationship with the American Indian is very complex & misunderstood. the Cherokees & others were working hard on integrating into the U.S. but still betrayed by the likes of Jackson. The Civil War was devastating, over 25% of the tribe lost, but today the average Cherokee has no frickin idea of their own recent history. A lot of Americans helped the Cherokees, like Sam Houston, Christians, others, & I think that helped ensure the survival of many Indians.
What did they leave behind to even show they were here? That's why nobody knows anything about them. One of the finest people in the world I ever met was from the Confederate tribes here in Oregon. No better heart and skill and ability hunting better than any man I ever met. She left all that in her kids when she died and all who new her are still filled with sorrow about her passing. Something no rock could ever tell the story of or any historical dig could pass on.

We could use people like her in our society now.
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Jackson fought the bank and was hunted (two assassination attempts) because of it.

Best POTUS ever.
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Jackson fought the bank and was hunted (two assassination attempts) because of it.

Best POTUS ever.
^^ Yup. Beat 'em too, showing it can be done.
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"Perhaps no American president was more rapacious than Jackson. After the War of 1812, as a colonel in the Army responsible for fighting Indians in the Southeastern United States, he used his military conquests to buy huge tracts of land in Alabama and Tennessee for himself and his business partners. After “liberating” millions of acres of Indian land and bringing it into settlement, he used his government status to position himself and his friends as first in line at land auctions, to hire his friends as surveyors, and to make side deals with tribal leaders (complete with doceurs — sweeteners, or bribes — to have some of the best parcels set aside for himself)."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.32e49aa9eb2f

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"Perhaps no American president was more rapacious than Jackson. After the War of 1812, as a colonel in the Army responsible for fighting Indians in the Southeastern United States, he used his military conquests to buy huge tracts of land in Alabama and Tennessee for himself and his business partners. After “liberating” millions of acres of Indian land and bringing it into settlement, he used his government status to position himself and his friends as first in line at land auctions, to hire his friends as surveyors, and to make side deals with tribal leaders (complete with doceurs — sweeteners, or bribes — to have some of the best parcels set aside for himself)."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.32e49aa9eb2f

another thief low rent thief.
Again - how did the Cherokee and Creek acquire and hold the land before the White Devils came on the scene?

Did the other tribes just say - "OK, y'all are some good guys, we'll just let you control this".......?

Maybe the Comanche moved south to OklaTex because they liked the climate and abundant resources of the arid southwest? The Apache, Tonkawa and others just peacefully coexisted?

How many slaves died on the Trail of Tears? Uh-oh...that brings up a nasty angle to the whole "victim mentality", now don't it? The biggest slaveholders and cotton growers in IT before the War were Choctaw and Chickasaw....
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Various tribes were removed from 1830 to 1850. The most infamous "Trail of Tears" and the one the public knows about was the Cherokee removal of 1838 and Jackson was still President.
http://www.cherokee.org/About-The-Na...Trail-of-Tears

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

President of what?
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Some fun reading.
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Couldn't if I wanted to. Don't even own one. Haven't since the '80s. From what I see around me I ain't missed anything either.
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"Perhaps no American president was more rapacious than Jackson. After the War of 1812, as a colonel in the Army responsible for fighting Indians in the Southeastern United States, he used his military conquests to buy huge tracts of land in Alabama and Tennessee for himself and his business partners. After “liberating” millions of acres of Indian land and bringing it into settlement, he used his government status to position himself and his friends as first in line at land auctions, to hire his friends as surveyors, and to make side deals with tribal leaders (complete with doceurs — sweeteners, or bribes — to have some of the best parcels set aside for himself)."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.32e49aa9eb2f

another thief low rent thief.

LOL.... you’re gonna need a better source than the WAPO for anyone to see your point of view with any degree of credibility.
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