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Old January 02, 2018, 13:10   #1
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they are not "kids" DACA or a wall, or both?

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...-over-dreamers

Congress is barreling toward a showdown over immigration in January.

Lawmakers were locked in a flurry of closed-door negotiations and meetings with top White House officials as they tried to make progress on an agreement before wrapping up their work for the year.

Instead, both chambers adjourned without a deal on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, kicking the fight into 2018. The program allows certain immigrants, often called "Dreamers," who came to the United States illegally as children to work and go to school here.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) are expected to meet with White House officials on Wednesday to discuss myriad upcoming policy fights, including DACA.

The sit-down comes as President Trump, a wild card in the immigration battle, is doubling down on his demand for funding for a U.S.-Mexico border wall.

“The Democrats have been told, and fully understand, that there can be no DACA without the desperately needed WALL at the Southern Border and an END to the horrible Chain Migration & ridiculous Lottery System of Immigration etc. We must protect our Country at all cost!” he said in a tweet.

The requirement would complicate any effort to get a deal because proposed funding is unlikely to get the 60 votes needed in the Senate.

Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) noted on Friday that Congress could pass a legislative fix for DACA that “beefs up border security, stops chain migration for the DREAMers, and addresses the unfairness of the diversity lottery.”

“If POTUS wants to protect these kids, we want to help him keep that promise,” he added.

Conservatives have homed in on cracking down on “chain migration” by limiting which family members U.S. citizens and permanent residents can try to sponsor for a green card.

Negotiators are hoping they will have a deal by next month, though wide gaps remain between what GOP lawmakers, the White House and Democrats will accept as part of any agreement.

“My preference obviously would be to do it earlier in January and attach it to the must-pass omnibus bill. That’s just me. ... We just need more time. We’ll run out of runway if we try to do it the end of February,” Flake, who is retiring at the end of his current term, told reporters before the holiday recess.
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Supporters of a DACA fix believe that the spending and budget negotiations give them the most leverage because GOP leadership will need support from Democrats to keep the government open and prevent automatic across-the-board budget cuts.

“Come January we are focused on the caps, the omnibus and the opportunity they present,” said Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), the No. 2 Senate Democrat, told The Hill.

Senate GOP leadership has pledged that if lawmakers can strike a deal in January they will bring the legislation up for a vote.

“There is a commitment to bring up a bill on the floor in January, but a bill does not currently exist so we have a lot of work we need to do,” said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas), asked if a commitment had been made to Flake.

McConnell has also downplayed that Democrats will be able to use an upcoming slate of fiscal deadlines to gain an advantage in the immigration fight.

“There isn't that much of an emergency there. The president's given us until March,” he said.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced in September that the administration would end the Obama-era program.

The decision teed up a mid-March deadline for Congress to pass legislation. If they fail to reach a deal, hundreds of thousands of immigrants will be at risk of being deported.

Lawmakers on both sides have appeared sympathetic to DACA recipients, but a deal has remained elusive.

Negotiators met with White House chief of staff John Kelly earlier this month but left Washington for the year without key issues resolved, including if DACA recipients would be given a path to citizenship, how many individuals would be covered and what security provisions would be part of a package.

Lawmakers have introduced wildly varying proposals, underscoring the challenge to getting an agreement that could clear both chambers.

GOP Sens. Thom Tillis (N.C.) and James Lankford (R-Okla.) offered a bill that would provide a pathway to citizenship.

But that would likely draw backlash from conservatives, who view the DACA program as “amnesty.”

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) told "Breitbart News Tonight" that Trump has a “mandate to build a wall [and] pass domestic [immigration] enforcement legislation.”

Flake told an Arizona radio station over the break that Ryan was “certainly committed” to fixing DACA, but the House Speaker promised conservatives in 2015 that he would not bring up any immigration bill that lacked support from a majority of Republicans.

Meanwhile, top Senate Republicans, including Cornyn and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), introduced the SECURE Act, which would pair a temporary extension of DACA with border security.

McConnell, who has sidestepped saying if he believes Dreamers should be given a path to citizenship, noted that he supports the principles included in the GOP legislation.

But that bill incorporates some provisions considered a non-starter for Democrats, including targeting cities that don’t comply with federal immigration law.

Democratic leadership is under growing pressure to take a hard stance on the immigration fight after failing to get a deal as part of an end-of-the-year stopgap bill.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who was one of several senators who voted against December’s short-term funding bill, appeared to blame Republicans for the delay.

“That the Republicans have been so busy trying to give tax breaks to billionaires and ignoring this crisis is a very, very sad state of affairs. ... We need, absolutely, to protect the Dreamers and pass that legislation,” he told CNN’s “State of the Union.”

But progressive outside groups and immigration activists have grown increasingly frustrated with Schumer and Pelosi.

“This is a monumental failure of leadership on the part of Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi,” Murshed Zaheed, the political director for Credo, said after lawmakers left for the year without a deal.

The Congressional Hispanic Caucus didn’t specifically call out Democratic leadership but noted that they will “leverage every single opportunity to keep all Congressional leaders committed to the goal of permanently protecting Dreamers by mid-January.”

Democrats are warning Republicans to avoid attaching larger fights, like curbs to legal immigration or tougher interior enforcement legislation to, any deal.

But Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who initially worked on the 2013 comprehensive legislation, warned that the demand was “unrealistic.”

“It’s unrealistic to think you’re going to get 60 votes in the Senate and a majority of the House and a presidential signature on a permanent change to the immigration status of hundreds of thousands of people and not pair that up with permanent changes in enforcement,” he told a local Florida paper.

He added that “the obsessive opposition to anything that involves enforcement by those on the left is beyond me.”
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Old January 03, 2018, 13:57   #2
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Something is going to pass............or not.

Deporting DACA's is fine with me.............THAT will cause the Dems to give up the ship..

However, with California in rebellion against any Fed deportation efforts, it will be time for Trump to act and call it out......after the 2018 election.

He can call it in rebellion, which allows the use of Military, and not allow its Senators or Congressmen to vote or enter the Capitol or for the population to vote in any election, without id certifications.
He can set up a Federal Territory, with Congress' help and occupy the entire state; THINK RECONSTRUCTION.

He has powers to act for 90 days and to invade California to grab illegals in vans and trucks.

It is an idea whose time has come.

NYS should be next on that list.
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Something is going to pass............or not.

Deporting DACA's is fine with me.............THAT will cause the Dems to give up the ship..

However, with California in rebellion against any Fed deportation efforts, it will be time for Trump to act and call it out......after the 2018 election.

He can call it in rebellion, which allows the use of Military, and not allow its Senators or Congressmen to vote or enter the Capitol or for the population to vote in any election, without id certifications.
He can set up a Federal Territory, with Congress' help and occupy the entire state; THINK RECONSTRUCTION.

He has powers to act for 90 days and to invade California to grab illegals in vans and trucks.

It is an idea whose time has come.

NYS should be next on that list.
serious question: why bother?

if states are in open rebellion/insurrection, then let them leave, and good riddance; on the condition that they leave and stay gone; if they want back in they have to ask for permission just like any other prospective territory.

I am not seeing any evidence at all to support acting otherwise--
there is no worthwhile cause to expand on the monumental tyranny of lincoln, to force any state to remain in the federal superstate.

Trump and the deplorables did not make this problem, there is no "fixing" the problem.

in fact we would all benefit from more separation, the reality is that there is no federal "union", there is only disunion, the rational choice is to split up the federal superstate into at least three distinct regions, let the blue hives eat themselves.

they need us, we do not need them, and would be well rid of them and all the problems they generate.

of course, this is predicated on the understanding that you cannot solve problems on the same level of thinking (or lack thereof) that created the problems in the first place.

higher level thinking is not something americans are particularly good at.
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Old January 03, 2018, 17:42   #4
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if kommiefornia were to be allowed to leave, the Chinese invasion would begin in earnest. they would own most of the state within years and have the whole west coast as a staging ground.

i would have no problems erecting a wall and working a deal on those "dreamers" already here, if it were not for many of those "dreamers" protesting and chanting that the southern US should revert back to mexico while waving the mexican flag all over the place.

visa lotteries and chain immigration need to end period.
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if kommiefornia were to be allowed to leave, the Chinese invasion would begin in earnest. they would own most of the state within years and have the whole west coast as a staging ground....
and your alternative is what?

act to use conventional military force to subjugate the populace for the benefit of whom, exactly ?

that is no more legal or prudent now than it was when the tyrant lincoln did it, or parliament before him.

the domestic commies infesting the federal deep superstate are a far more clear and present danger than the chicoms in bejing.
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and your alternative is what?

act to use conventional military force to subjugate the populace for the benefit of whom, exactly ?

that is no more legal or prudent now than it was when the tyrant lincoln did it, or parliament before him.

the domestic commies infesting the federal deep superstate are a far more clear and present danger than the chicoms in bejing.
You don't need to subject the populace of CA. Just the judges and politicians. And remember at least 40% of the state probably doesn't want to go along with the Kommifornia B.S. , they're just regular Americans.

CA provides valuable produce for the rest of America - they grow a ton of stuff there once you get away from the wretched people of the coastal cities.

But if NK dropped a nuuke on SF I wouldn't be TOO upset.
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I think we should surprise them all and just annex Mexico. Lots of resources to harvest and plenty of work building infrastructure and civilization.
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You don't need to subject the populace of CA. Just the judges and politicians. And remember at least 40% of the state probably doesn't want to go along with the Kommifornia B.S. , they're just regular Americans....
so your alternative to legal/lawful divorce is to act with official public authority at the executive federal level, on behalf of wethepeople to use conventional military to kill the persons sitting in office as executive, legislative, and judicial politicians?

okay, and then what?

now that you have acted to declare/inflict war upon the states, what are you going to do next ?
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DEATH BY DACA -- analysis.



demographics = destiny

5.1 million imported non-americans that will vote left to virtual exclusion is de facto disenfranchisement/replacement of 5.1 million americans.

but for a complete reversal of established statist lawlessness, the 2018 election will be the end of discourse, and the beginning of what comes next.

you have about 10 months left to prepare for what comes next, best invest it wisely.
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take el chappos money and build a wall the way Israel did,

walls work, the Chinese built one centuries ago and it still is there

place the footer 30 feet deep, geo-phones every 30 feet to detect tunneling

make wall 30 feet tall to give the impression that illegals are not wanted

guard towers every 1/2 mile w/ Fn-Herstal M2 .50 cal automated firing units

use catapults to send captured illegals back over the wall, no bus ticket
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and your alternative is what?

act to use conventional military force to subjugate the populace for the benefit of whom, exactly ?

that is no more legal or prudent now than it was when the tyrant lincoln did it, or parliament before him.

the domestic commies infesting the federal deep superstate are a far more clear and present danger than the chicoms in bejing.
the chinese long game is economic, but don't think for a
NY minute that they wouldn't fire the first shot if they knew they had a strong advantage in making it a short game.

that's like saying they don't support NK under the table to this day.

the alternative is already in place, it's called follow and enforce the laws of our country, and remove those that abuse the power entrusted to them. you would have to be blind to not see the corruption in most areas of Gov. at this point.
the problem is, those same self serving public servants that are trying to destroy this country from within, are the same people that would allow a foreign power to gain a foothold in this country. (in a way they already are with the immigration BS)
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the alternative is already in place, it's called follow and enforce the laws of our country, and remove those that abuse the power entrusted to them. you would have to be blind to not see the corruption in most areas of Gov. at this point.
the problem is, those same self serving public servants that are trying to destroy this country from within, are the same people that would allow a foreign power to gain a foothold in this country. (in a way they already are with the immigration BS)
to clear up misunderstanding, "our country" is quite literally wethepeople, the common wealth,
"this country" is not the federal superstate, not foreign trade partners, it is not some "public private partnership" swindle and the agenda 21 agenda they are pushing.
wethepeople have been disenfranchised, by legal presumption.

"...follow and enforce the laws of our country, and remove those that abuse the power entrusted to them..." is not going to happen because the elements necessary for that to happen are simply not there, not even close,
so that notion is just an imaginary fantasy, not a viable alternative.

the chicoms are prospering by exploiting trade weaknesses of america, and the federal deep statists are profiting right along with the chicoms.
so too, the democrats are profiting greatly from the statist criminal business enterprise, right along with their RINO allies.

the chicoms are not about to "invade", invasions are really expensive, and the chicoms are too smart and busy making way too much money to do something that retarded.

domestic statists are raping the prosperity of wethepeople, and they like it that way,.
these deep state shits are not going to give up without a fight to the death.
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to clear up misunderstanding, "our country" is quite literally wethepeople, the common wealth,
"this country" is not the federal superstate, not foreign trade partners, it is not some "public private partnership" swindle and the agenda 21 agenda they are pushing.
wethepeople have been disenfranchised, by legal presumption.

"...follow and enforce the laws of our country, and remove those that abuse the power entrusted to them..." is not going to happen because the elements necessary for that to happen are simply not there, not even close,
so that notion is just an imaginary fantasy, not a viable alternative.

the chicoms are prospering by exploiting trade weaknesses of america, and the federal deep statists are profiting right along with the chicoms.
so too, the democrats are profiting greatly from the statist criminal business enterprise, right along with their RINO allies.

the chicoms are not about to "invade", invasions are really expensive, and the chicoms are too smart and busy making way too much money to do something that retarded.

domestic statists are raping the prosperity of wethepeople, and they like it that way,.
these deep state shits are not going to give up without a fight to the death.
i think we are on the same page. i'm just not as eloquent.
(and i think those bad actors are not above using a foreign "partner" to do their dirty work)
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... i think those bad actors are not above using a foreign "partner" to do their dirty work)
already are: awan family/DNC spy ring, just the tip of the iceberg.

there are 17 intel/counterintel federal pseudo-agencies working in DC against Turmp and against the deplorables.

that nest of vipers has to be cleaned out, with extreme prejudice -- chipper shredder feet first style.
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there is a certain value in the methodology of Vlad the Impaler

visual deterrents work on those smart enough to understand
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visual deterrents work on those smart enough to understand
I like the way you think..
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a pair of these every 500 meters on top of the wall would do wonders



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