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Old April 13, 2014, 17:56   #1
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Pattern 58 Hi Power Magazine pouch?

I've managed to get everything in the Pattern 58 Webbing except the magazine pouches for the pistol. Anyone know where I could find what they look like or where to get a few?
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Old April 14, 2014, 13:42   #2
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Are you sure they exist?
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Old April 14, 2014, 15:38   #3
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Are you sure they exist?
I would think so. I doubt the brits only carried around one mag with their pistols. Who knows, maybe they just put spare mags in their rucksacks or something.
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Old April 14, 2014, 15:53   #4
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Didn't the holster incorporate a magazine pouch ?



Though I did find this...

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When I questioned why there were so many 1911 pouches coming from England I was told that these were used for the HiPower. I have not tried to put a HP mag in the 1911 pouch but I might work.
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I haven't seen any mention of P58 hi power mag pouches anywhere..

http://josephs-militaria-and-homefro...uk/PAGE67.HTML

http://www.karkeeweb.com/patterns/1958/set.html

Andy? Is that a WW2 P37 pouch? Not pattern 58 specific but would work..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-WW...-/271221371507
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I am not sure mate, I was google'ing around for British BHP holsters. The Aussie issue holsters all had the magazine pouch as part of the holster (Canadian as well) so I am not sure.
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I am not sure mate, I was google'ing around for British BHP holsters. The Aussie issue holsters all had the magazine pouch as part of the holster (Canadian as well) so I am not sure.
jdmcomp, a Hi-Power mag does NOT fit a 1911 mag pouch. I wish they did! I tried but no luck! And the Beretta 92/M9 mag pouch is too big.

I looked around for Hi-Power mag pouches as well, but didn't find much. Seems the Officer's only carried one extra mag unless they stuck them in their trouser pockets!

Here are the Canuck holsters........

Canadian pattern 51, 64 and 82 (taken from the internet).



I had to settle for a Pattern 51. This is one I bought from a board member some time back.



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The HP mags WILL fit in the USGI 1911 double mag pouch, you just need the right one
What you want is the canvas pouches that look like their bunched up or pleated at the bottom, rather than the regular smooth sewn ones.
Those were made to be generious and fit either type mag.
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The HP mags WILL fit in the USGI 1911 double mag pouch, you just need the right one
What you want is the canvas pouches that look like their bunched up or pleated at the bottom, rather than the regular smooth sewn ones.
Those were made to be generious and fit either type mag.
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Where can I buy those??
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Where can I buy those??
I dont know anywhere you can just order some from,,,that might take some searching...I've found all mine at gun shows and such over the years. Many times someone will have a bunch of them for sale, with some of each type. Most people dont even realize theirs a difference between them, kind of like the true M14 double pouches and the 'universal' pouches (made for 2-m14 or 4-carbine mags) are commonly just called and sold as the same double M14 pouches.
Let me dig through my junk and see if I have an extra....If so I'll PM you....might take a little while though,,I'm not sure if my extras on canvas pouches are here in KY or still in storage in IL.

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BTW; They would be WWII khaki,,,not OD green...
AFAIK, they never made any that style in OD.
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mag pouch

When I had my H_P I used a WW1 pouch with the two snaps. You will find that the WW1 pouch has more room than theWW2 mod.
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That looks like it could have been made by a rigger. Sewing lines not straight like on the holster.
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The Brits used an OD green modified copy of the WWII holster Andy posted. They did have mag pouches in WWII because they used their universal revolver holsters for pretty much everything. Once the post war green holster with built in pouch appeared I suspect they dropped the extra mag pouch.

Google British green browning hi power holster
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Isn't that what I got from you?? A Brit one?? The HP fits along with a spare mag, pretty nice actually.

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The Brits used an OD green modified copy of the WWII holster Andy posted. They did have mag pouches in WWII because they used their universal revolver holsters for pretty much everything. Once the post war green holster with built in pouch appeared I suspect they dropped the extra mag pouch.

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I believe I saw a few on eBay a few days ago. Check it out, they may still be available.
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I've managed to get everything in the Pattern 58 Webbing except the magazine pouches for the pistol. Anyone know where I could find what they look like or where to get a few?
To address, rather than answer, your original question, the situation is somewhat murky.

Based on what I have been told independently by multiple sources, yes, they did/do exist. They were never an official item in the Army list of stores, and were privately purchased by units or individual soldiers. It needs to be remembered that, at the time these were in use (as far as I've been able to determine, exclusively in Northern Ireland) the Army Staff Tables listed the issue of pistols as 2 per battalion. Troops on active service started demanding them and the scale of issue in NI was much higher. As the P38 attachment system does not mesh well with the P58 webbing, some enterprising manufacturer came up with a pouch to hold 5 Hi-Power magazines.

As it has been described to me, in layout it resembled the 75-round cartridge carrier pouch from the P08 webbing, with 3 pockets in front and 2 more staggered behind such that the centerline of the back pockets lined up with the seam between the pockets of the front row.

In nearly 10 years of looking I have never even turned up a photo of this item, however given that 5 individuals who, to the best of my knowledge, do not know each other, and two of whom oversaw snipers who had been on active duty in NI, gave nearly identical descriptions of what this pouch looked like, I am convinced it did exist. Also, since the individuals I spoke with were from a variety of units, I strongly doubt these were a unit-made item, but were something that was being made commercially by one of the existing P58 webbing manufacturers.

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