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Old December 16, 2017, 11:40   #1
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I'm about done with local gun shows

I am already attending only in winter or on crappy rainy Saturdays anyway.
After today, I may be done altogether.

NIB plastic pistols priced $20 over LGS retail = CHECK!
ARs at 2013 Sandy Hook madness pricing = CHECK!
Beat up Pythons for $2,600 and up = CHECK!
Swords, knifes, and tomahawks = CHECK!
Bumper sticker and T-shirts = CHECK!
Miscellaneous sized ammo cans = CHECK!
Reloaded ammo higher than internet ordered NEW delivered to house price = CHECK!
Various Mosins, sporterized Mausers, and Japanese military rifles starting at $400 = CHECK!
One Garand in the building at $1,500 = CHECK!
One FAL consisting of Brit lower, Imbel barrel, FMAP receiver for $1,500 = CHECK!
Beef jerky = CHECK!

I drove 40 minutes each way and paid $6 to go in and walk a 1/2 hour lap for this
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Old December 16, 2017, 11:48   #2
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The ones here are teh suck. No beer, FAL mags for $30, that the guy claimed were Austrian, nope they weren't. People carrying around rifles and muzzle sweeping everyone in the place. Only thing I've bought is ammo cans but did get a source for a gun safe.
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Old December 16, 2017, 11:56   #3
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I am down to two local shows a year now. I used to hit them all if I could but the fire of want just isn't there anymore. When I do buy it's something I gave up in the past to get something new. However I passed up a little show 40 minutes away that I set up a table in for 20 years because it is no fun now. So packed you got no room to look at stuff and can't BS because the crowd pushes you along.

The gun club I am a life member of puts on two shows a year, I support the club by going and help friends at their tables so now it's all social.
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Old December 16, 2017, 12:03   #4
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Yep,

Older generation that hasnt figured out this inner web thing. Been said here before but gunshows now are for people that just want to show their guns, and maybe have a price tag on them. The internet is where guns actually get sold.

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Old December 16, 2017, 12:05   #5
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Years ago gun shows were fun. Never knew what you would stumble upon. Their was always a chance for a good deal on something.

For quite a few years now the shows just sux.
The vendors have always been horse thieves, but now the vendors have little if any grip on reality. Better deals online and at the LGS.
And of course their are fewer and fewer vendors. They age out and are not replaced.
Things change.
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Old December 16, 2017, 12:32   #6
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The net has a lot to offer and maybe some of us old guys don't get it but I have yet to buy without direct face to face contact with a seller. The local website has classifieds to sell guns and it cost more to see one gun than to go to a gun show. Plus more often than not the gun is misrepresented and you see it right away at the meeting.

Gun shows here are mostly FFL dealers with a set margin of profit that starts out in the hole at $65 a table. Big dealers have ten tables plus help to run them so volume is the winner. The one table seller is usually an old guy selling his collection for one reason or another.

The big seller is fugged because falling prices now hurts him because his inventory cost more than what he can sell for. The latest greatest plastic wonder gun is getting cheaper all the time and they can't sell for a profit their inventory.

So ya the shows change but the worst change is none of them have anything I want, not at the shows and not on the net.
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Old December 16, 2017, 13:38   #7
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Ah, the good old days. Going to a gun show was an almost magical experience. You never knew what treasure you might find. I remember getting butterflies the closer to the show I got. I would meet up with a friend or two for breakfast and make a day of it. At some point there became too many people and not enough good stuff, so now it's you guys and Gunbroker. Now I'll go over to a friends house and we'll talk guns, drink beer and watch the UFC. The gun stores around here have gotten a lot better and every now and then there's a gem in the used gun rack. I enjoy the hobby now as much as I ever did. It's kinda nice being able to buy guns from the comfort of my computer chair.
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Old December 16, 2017, 13:40   #8
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I used to be a regular denizen of the gun shows in my area, but the Internet has changed all that. When I started hearing vendors justifying their pricing with references to eBay or Gunbroker I couldn't help think "if it worth that online why aren't you selling there"? The gunshows around me have all become politically correct, rarely do you see the hobbyist selling off items from their collection, now you need a State Tax ID, a vendors license, an FFL and proof your kids are vaccinated before you can rent a table. It's a shame.
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Old December 16, 2017, 14:10   #9
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There is a local show promoter that I know that only allows Guns, Knives, and related items.

No stun guns.

No beef jerky.

No t-shirts.

No camping gear.

No fishing tackle.

No archery.

No beanie babies.

No gold chain or jewelry.


Y'all ought to set up your own Gun Show.

It is so easy, that my Wife does it.

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Old December 16, 2017, 14:35   #10
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There is a local show promoter that I know that only allows Guns, Knives, and related items.

No stun guns.

No beef jerky.

No t-shirts.

No camping gear.

No fishing tackle.

No archery.

No beanie babies.

No gold chain or jewelry.


Y'all ought to set up your own Gun Show.

It is so easy, that my Wife does it.

This show? I'd go to.
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Old December 16, 2017, 17:06   #11
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You could still stumble upon a gem, but it would be sheer dumb luck. The dealers all have their eye out to screw any guy who isn't up on what he has, so you'd probably have a better shot at getting hit by lightning.
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Old December 16, 2017, 17:06   #12
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I am already attending only in winter or on crappy rainy Saturdays anyway.
After today, I may be done altogether.

NIB plastic pistols priced $20 over LGS retail = CHECK!
ARs at 2013 Sandy Hook madness pricing = CHECK!
Beat up Pythons for $2,600 and up = CHECK!
Swords, knifes, and tomahawks = CHECK!
Bumper sticker and T-shirts = CHECK!
Miscellaneous sized ammo cans = CHECK!
Reloaded ammo higher than internet ordered NEW delivered to house price = CHECK!
Various Mosins, sporterized Mausers, and Japanese military rifles starting at $400 = CHECK!
One Garand in the building at $1,500 = CHECK!
One FAL consisting of Brit lower, Imbel barrel, FMAP receiver for $1,500 = CHECK!
Beef jerky = CHECK!

I drove 40 minutes each way and paid $6 to go in and walk a 1/2 hour lap for this
It'll be a drive but got to Tulsa in the spring. The Wanenmacher Show was the absolutely biggest display of firearms for sale that I've ever seen. And, no jerky, costume jewelry, Scentsy, or paintball. Just millions of dollars worth of actual firearms, ammunition, and accessories. Was well worth the day off work and hotel room for the trip.
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Old December 16, 2017, 17:12   #13
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Well,

SWOHFAL has it about right. A Nebraska FFL, now convicted felon, I know used to brag about how he loved shows in the mid west like Nebraska because alot of old Farmers had no idea of their guns value and he could screw them blind. ATF eventually caught up with his ass. Shitbird.

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Old December 16, 2017, 17:28   #14
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I finished clearing out my storage area and have been down the basement sorting through a ton of of those 25gal tupperware containers. Gun parts, mags, web gear, scopes, uniforms, helmets...you name it.
You probably would have had better luck and a lot more fun at my place....
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Old December 16, 2017, 17:36   #15
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We had an FFL here get busted for selling to a felon. When the BATFE showed up the FFL even helped them carry all the guns out to be confiscated. He appeared before the judge for a plea and the judge said the FFL was truly remorseful and noted he helped carry the guns out so he gave him 3 years probation, a $400 fine and took his FFL away. He didn't get $250,000 worth of guns back yet.

This guy was always at the gun shows and I suspect at 73 they really didn't want to put his old ass in jail.
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Old December 16, 2017, 17:41   #16
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You probably would have had better luck and a lot more fun at my place....
Excellent idea brother!!!

We will be home from church by 11 and can head your way then.

You are almost an hour drive away, so noonish???

Are you fixing lunch, should we eat before we get there, or can we bring you lunch ???
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Old December 16, 2017, 17:44   #17
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We had an FFL here get busted for selling to a felon. When the BATFE showed up the FFL even helped them carry all the guns out to be confiscated. He appeared before the judge for a plea and the judge said the FFL was truly remorseful and noted he helped carry the guns out so he gave him 3 years probation, a $400 fine and took his FFL away. He didn't get $250,000 worth of guns back yet.

This guy was always at the gun shows and I suspect at 73 they really didn't want to put his old ass in jail.
Ironic thing is many probably ended up in the hands of felons through the black market.
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Old December 16, 2017, 17:55   #18
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Gun shows started to suck when the internet became popular. I don't waste my time going to them. Pay a bunch of money to get in and walk out empty handed. Nah, not for me.
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Old December 16, 2017, 18:15   #19
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I don't bother to attend any gun shows now. It once was fun taking the boys and good deals could be had. No more. Anything I want is either a 'click' away and delivered to my door within a few days or with local dealers who appreciate my business. 'F' gun shows!
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Fat dudes waddling down the aisles getting French Fry grease on weapons - check!

Straw purchasers on the phone to their significant others - check!

Narcs following along in the wake of the above - check!

'Experts' pontificating their knowledge - check!

Hapless fools sweeping everyone with their dead Granddad's Remington 700 that they want to trade for an AR15 - check!
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Local shows are the only place to find rare items at stupid low prices.
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Old December 16, 2017, 18:54   #22
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I haven't been to a gun show in many years. A long time ago here in Houston there was a huge gunshow at the Astrohall that was so big I couldn't see everything there in one day. It was so much fun those days. I think I actually bought my first STG-58 kit there back in like 2000. They had boxes and boxes of them and heavy barrel Izzy's.
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Pretty sure that the hope that one can do so is what still drives many to go.
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Old December 16, 2017, 20:03   #24
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Iím about done with local shows here in Virginia myself. Aside from the occasions where I just need ammo or accessories, there isnít anything that I get excited about as far as firearms go.
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Picked up some 10mm brass today at the lcoal show. Reloading stuff is pretty good at the shows here..bout the only reason to go.
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I'm back to going to shows from time to time because I don't want anything. I'm just there to see what's there, and maybe buy something I didnt know I wanted if the spirits move me.
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I haven't been to a gun show in many years. A long time ago here in Houston there was a huge gunshow at the Astrohall that was so big I couldn't see everything there in one day. It was so much fun those days. I think I actually bought my first STG-58 kit there back in like 2000. They had boxes and boxes of them and heavy barrel Izzy's.
The Houston Gun Collectors Association show , you're right you could find anything you wanted there and spend all weekend looking,
since they tore down the astrohall and moved it into the new building it lost all it's glory.
It's still the best show in the area but a mere shadow of what it once was
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Excellent idea brother!!!

We will be home from church by 11 and can head your way then.

You are almost an hour drive away, so noonish???

Are you fixing lunch, should we eat before we get there, or can we bring you lunch ???
Seriously ??
Your more than welcome to run down, visit and peruse my junk, but be forwarned, my place is a completely 'in construction' disaster...and I have enough 'stuff' for a normal household of about 30 people, crammed into a 3bdr house,,,lol
You know I cant eat any mammal meat or milk products with the allergy,,and Im doing no carbs right now, so you better eat before you come unless you want rabbit food...
Text and lmk if your coming...
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I echo most peoples gripes about the current state of shows. I still go and usually leave empty handed but every so often I score. Last week was a 1891 Trapdoor Springfield with the ramrod bayonet....

you just never know what you might find...
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Here's my two cents. IMHO young guys should pay heed, and I'm surprised at the attitudes of the older crowd.

No doubt gunshows have changed. Putting aside the dreamcatchers and jerky, clearly there's an increase of AR15 type "junk" which is obtainable on Amazon. And, the old reliable surplus (which you old folks will remember as always being there) such as Mausers and Garand bayonets has- surprise! dried up as new collectors came in and prices went up. Likewise FAL stuff- it didn't go to the incinerator, it dissipated into collections.

Exhibitors are comprised largely of three types- old gents who've collected a long time, new guys selling generic NIB cheap guns, and scroungers who sell whatever junk they come across in estate sales, barns, and retiring gunshops.

New cheap gun guys are making a living off young kids with little money. Pass them by and let them do their thing.

Scroungers are where the real steals are. God knows where they get this stuff. They have maybe a 10% product turnover every year, so if you want to see what's new you have to dig through the same old crap at every show. But this is where the rarities show up at low prices. For example, my two Type B bayonets ($325 and $100), a Force Publique GL for $20 (has Falcon or EX1 seen one?), and unusual Garand, Carbine, and 1917/1919 parts. If you get lucky (and I do) you can find stuff that you won't find on GB or Ebay and you'll pay next to nothing for it.

The old crotchety guys are the ones that bring the same Garands, G43s, and the like to every show. This is, after all, a SHOW, not a sale. Heck, they get to handle their collection more than you do yours. Prices are high because they're financially secure and don't have to sell.

These old guys are the ones you want to know well. They have a close knit community. The best stuff changes hands before the doors open. Newsflash, this happens on FAL Files too- the best stuff changes hands off-board...and often without an exchange of cash. You wouldn't believe the stuff that changes hands on the 1919 forum with no cash moving...I'm taking four or five thousand dollar transactions, either kept in some memory bank or PIF. Same with Knob Creek- I've seen five grand in parts move with a promise to pay two grand some time in the future.

But these old guys...they're sitting on loads of stuff, not just what they bring to the show. Stuff that's not worth dragging out to the show. Stuff that if you know them and mention you need a part, they'll bring it to the next show and you darned well might get it for free. The price on the label is for Johnny Nobody...my price is a lot lower.

And "God forbid" you do something for the inner circle. I was GIVEN a museum quality semi 1919a4. My buddy was recently GIVEN a Postal Meter carbine. The guy who got a registered MP44 for $6k because the seller- who knew the value- liked him. I could go on for pages.

The old guys also know who has what. They might not have what you want, but they know who does.

My recommendation is to start exhibiting at shows. Or at least spend all day, both days, there walking around talking to vendors. Don't expect anything on day one...you need to prove your worthiness to be adopted into the circle. It takes time- a couple years even. But the payoff is well worth it.
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Old December 17, 2017, 11:11   #31
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I try to make one per year. It is local to me and a friend of mine puts it on. There used to be an older guy with a box of old loading dies there. I think he died as he has not been there the last two years. I would go through the box and buy the likes of 30 Gibbs dies NIB for $10. That was fun and I have several die that I will never have firearms for but I have the dies. I am sure I could sell NIB RCBS dies in RCBS cardboard boxes for way more than $10. I still go just because it is close and a friend puts it on. The local dealers are there and I could buy from them anytime. But why do that when I could buy from myself cheaper.
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The ones here are teh suck. No beer, FAL mags for $30, that the guy claimed were Austrian, nope they weren't. People carrying around rifles and muzzle sweeping everyone in the place. Only thing I've bought is ammo cans but did get a source for a gun safe.
They still serve beer at a big gun show here in MA. They hope you forget how sucky the gun laws are and make you think you're getting a deal for a banged up, pieces parts 1903 for $1500.

But the golden days of gun shows has set for me. I used to love to go the Manchester NH Armory shows when we were awash in surplus parts and ammo in the mid 1990's. But you can still always find a table with a box of parts that the seller doesn't know or really care what somethings are worth, they just want it gone.
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I had not attended any shows for a number of years, but int he past year my sone decided he wanted to buy his first pistol so we tried some of the local shows and it was extremely disappointing.

It seems the local gun shows have turned into places to buy jerky, knives, surplus military uniforms, food, etc... and once it a while you may get lucky to find someone that actually is selling a firearm... but even then it will be some type of AR, a plastic something... or an over priced something else...

All that said, we ended up buying from one of the established FFL Internet dealers and shipping to a local FFL.

It seems like the good days of the local gun shows are gone.

Just my angry rants on this topic, your mileage and experiences may vary...
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I'm with you nog, gotta scratch below the surface of those gunshows to get at the gems. Worked the CWGCA Fond Du Lac show for many years and now doing the same in Alabama/Georgia.
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I've owned two-or-more of every "tough-guy-toy" a fella could ever want.

I quit collecting tough-guy-toys when I realized that owning tough-guy-toys didn't necessarily make me a tough guy. I further realized I had so many of those things, that I didn't have time to use even half of them while I pretended to be a tough guy.

Not much point in keeping going to the tough guy show and buying shit I won't use.

I sold a bunch of that stuff and bought some cars and car parts. I'm not sure what its called. I just know the sound it makes when I push my foot down. If I break it, all the better gives me more things to actually do with it. Its as much fun putting it back together as it breaking it.

I'm amazed at how far the battery-powered wrenches have come. If you EVER turn wrenches on a car - especially if you do any work on suspension - you GOTTA get a Milwaukee M18 half-inch-drive gun. Oh. My. God.

The project doesn't have to be cool or fast - but it helps. Really just needs to keep my mind occupied with a foward objective. My mind turns to Jello when I walk into gun shows or gun stores these days.

I'm not buying any more of that stuff. I've still got 5x more than I can use.
I for damn sure aint gonna "collect" it for the sake of being conservator of it for somebody else. No disrespect for the special folks who live for that role of ownership. Not for me though. I'm the "keep your foot in it until it breaks" kind of guy.
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I keep threatening to quit, but keep going. Sometimes I buy nothing and leave empty handed, others I score a lot or just a little. It is enough to keep me coming back I suppose. I do walk right by most of it though.
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I wish I could go, but I'm always working. I just like guns and looking at everything, and seeing if I can get a gurl to wave at me.
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I took 30 guns home with me from the Harrisburg PA show. There is a wholesaler who deals in police trade-ins. Brand New Gen 4 Glock 22's for $340 out the door. 3 of them were sequentially numbered. I took home a slew of S&W 10's, Remmy shotguns (870 Police Magnums and 870 Marines) and some S&W M&P's. I should make out OK on them. Glad I caught him early, I just about cleaned him out of the good stuff.

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Man , I bought one of those 1/2 inch drive Milwaukee impact guns two years ago and it's 18volt power leaves my ingersol rand air gun deals in the dust !!!. With the 5.0 batteries it's the shiznit !!!. I can do all kinds of awesome with the Milwaukee fuel 1/4 inch drive impactors too with tap sockets and the right tap bits. DeWalt batteries just don't hold up in comparison to Milwaukee. Bosch even less so.
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Still attend 2 local shows and rent tables at both.
I'm the guy selling his own extras and overflow.

One show is relaxed small town and I invite my dad to work the table with me.
The other is more hectic in a bigger town which I work with a shooting buddy or two.
Both of these have really wide isles and are comfortable to amble around and look.
I talk with all the old guys, several of which have left *the green side* in recent years.
Reminds me of the temporary nature of my physical existence.

I still dig around the tables and usually find something useful.
Last show was an 8lb jug of AA2520 for $25 that nobody seemed interested in...I tried to resist but couldn't.
When I paid him, he then proceeded to give me 2lbs of Bullseye and 1lb of RedDot along with it.
Now how can a guy resist that!?

Bottom line: Most of my buying and selling is done online nowadays, but gunshows are still enjoyable in small doses for selling, mainly.
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I've owned two-or-more of every "tough-guy-toy" a fella could ever want.

I quit collecting tough-guy-toys when I realized that owning tough-guy-toys didn't necessarily make me a tough guy. I further realized I had so many of those things, that I didn't have time to use even half of them while I pretended to be a tough guy.

Not much point in keeping going to the tough guy show and buying shit I won't use.

I sold a bunch of that stuff and bought some cars and car parts. I'm not sure what its called. I just know the sound it makes when I push my foot down. If I break it, all the better gives me more things to actually do with it. Its as much fun putting it back together as it breaking it.

I'm amazed at how far the battery-powered wrenches have come. If you EVER turn wrenches on a car - especially if you do any work on suspension - you GOTTA get a Milwaukee M18 half-inch-drive gun. Oh. My. God.

The project doesn't have to be cool or fast - but it helps. Really just needs to keep my mind occupied with a foward objective. My mind turns to Jello when I walk into gun shows or gun stores these days.

I'm not buying any more of that stuff. I've still got 5x more than I can use.
I for damn sure aint gonna "collect" it for the sake of being conservator of it for somebody else. No disrespect for the special folks who live for that role of ownership. Not for me though. I'm the "keep your foot in it until it breaks" kind of guy.
I had a lull for a few years being single and then getting married. During the the lull bought the guns and ammo that I had always wanted. Now my tough guy toys are a tractor, implements and chainsaws. Pick up is next.

Down the road maybe would like to get an M14 just to see how accurate they are, but it's a can of worms as to what is an acceptable build that will hold it's value. I don't have the money to trade up and around anymore like when I was buying FALs. So looking around for one at a gun show would be a crap shoot.

I have pneumatic tools that I've held on to for 35 years and use once in awhile. Problem with battery stuff is eventually they get thrown out when the batteries die because the replacements cost as much as a new tool.
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Don't go nearly as often as I used to for most of the reasons stated above, but it does make for a nice day of exercise for my fat azz, and I rack up 5-6k steps on the Fitbit when I go.

For the deals though I will venture out of town to the tiny local shows where the dealer don't roam. Went to one a few weeks ago, picked up some GREAT ammo deals... 3 boxes of the Federal American Eagle M1a ammo for $30, couple of boxes of 10mm for $35, couple hundred pieces of 10mm brass for $5. Came out happy as a clam.

I've gotten to where I'll plan an hr or 2 when taking a weekend road trip, and do it in the direction of Podunksville VFW hall where the local show will be. Often works out pretty well.
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Best deals are in the parking lot most times. Unless you like beef jerky and ammo key chains.
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I am probably just old and confused, but for some reason I do not get the connection between what someone owns and their "toughness", real or perceived.

With that said, I started on collecting the firearms I have now back when FAL kits were cheap and to be very honest, building the weapons with my own hands had a great appeal.

Over time, that evolved into picking up other interesting firearms along the way, few to none came from big box or large sporting goods chain stores, most came from gun shows, small gun shops, or other similar sources.

From early 2009 to just this year I purchased zero firearms and by the end of 2009 had enough ammo stored to avoid the need of any additional purchases.

Now in 2017, the climate has moved to a less insane state, and while helping my son look for his first pistol, as I already said in an earlier reply gun shows in my area had become "very different", not many guns, but lots of other stuff.

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I still make gun shows when I have the time. I don't expect much, so I am never really disappointed. I rarely buy anymore, or just buy minor items like parts, tools, cleaning implements, and the like. I sometimes run into old friends at the shows, which makes the time and nominal fee spent to get in well worth it. I run into a lot of buffoons that act like their wares are priceless, but I also run into people that really know a hell of a lot more than I do (or ever will) about some of the firearms I like/own, and/or about which I have questions. Some of these folks are happy to share their knowledge.

Although there are a lot of overpriced guns at the shows, every now and then there is some screaming deal that, once purchased, makes all the years of entrance fees seem like chickenfeed .

I still like going to shows when I can.
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One in three years and local venue is less than 100 yards from my office. Back in summer friend called to say he saw one of those funny FNL's you like so much. Hopped over fence at rear loading dock, walked down to door, paid like ten bucks to find a frankenfal, guy said assembled just a few days ago. Asked how it grouped and said didn't shoot it but all his builds worked. Couldn't find more than two parts on it needed for any of my builds.

Lots of AR's on Anderson lowers with lots of tacticool bling priced three times value. Plenty of T-Shirts, reloading components at 50% over value, tons of prepper trash, some night vision at double value and so on. Walked back down sidewalk, climbed fence and in back door of shop. Called friend and said next time text picture when saw one of those FNL's while looking at gun so I could ask questions before taking $10 bill out of my pocket and wasting an hour of my time.
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Here's my two cents. IMHO young guys should pay heed, and I'm surprised at the attitudes of the older crowd.

No doubt gunshows have changed. Putting aside the dreamcatchers and jerky, clearly there's an increase of AR15 type "junk" which is obtainable on Amazon. And, the old reliable surplus (which you old folks will remember as always being there) such as Mausers and Garand bayonets has- surprise! dried up as new collectors came in and prices went up. Likewise FAL stuff- it didn't go to the incinerator, it dissipated into collections.

Exhibitors are comprised largely of three types- old gents who've collected a long time, new guys selling generic NIB cheap guns, and scroungers who sell whatever junk they come across in estate sales, barns, and retiring gunshops.

New cheap gun guys are making a living off young kids with little money. Pass them by and let them do their thing.

Scroungers are where the real steals are. God knows where they get this stuff. They have maybe a 10% product turnover every year, so if you want to see what's new you have to dig through the same old crap at every show. But this is where the rarities show up at low prices. For example, my two Type B bayonets ($325 and $100), a Force Publique GL for $20 (has Falcon or EX1 seen one?), and unusual Garand, Carbine, and 1917/1919 parts. If you get lucky (and I do) you can find stuff that you won't find on GB or Ebay and you'll pay next to nothing for it.

The old crotchety guys are the ones that bring the same Garands, G43s, and the like to every show. This is, after all, a SHOW, not a sale. Heck, they get to handle their collection more than you do yours. Prices are high because they're financially secure and don't have to sell.

These old guys are the ones you want to know well. They have a close knit community. The best stuff changes hands before the doors open. Newsflash, this happens on FAL Files too- the best stuff changes hands off-board...and often without an exchange of cash. You wouldn't believe the stuff that changes hands on the 1919 forum with no cash moving...I'm taking four or five thousand dollar transactions, either kept in some memory bank or PIF. Same with Knob Creek- I've seen five grand in parts move with a promise to pay two grand some time in the future.

But these old guys...they're sitting on loads of stuff, not just what they bring to the show. Stuff that's not worth dragging out to the show. Stuff that if you know them and mention you need a part, they'll bring it to the next show and you darned well might get it for free. The price on the label is for Johnny Nobody...my price is a lot lower.

And "God forbid" you do something for the inner circle. I was GIVEN a museum quality semi 1919a4. My buddy was recently GIVEN a Postal Meter carbine. The guy who got a registered MP44 for $6k because the seller- who knew the value- liked him. I could go on for pages.

The old guys also know who has what. They might not have what you want, but they know who does.

My recommendation is to start exhibiting at shows. Or at least spend all day, both days, there walking around talking to vendors. Don't expect anything on day one...you need to prove your worthiness to be adopted into the circle. It takes time- a couple years even. But the payoff is well worth it.
95% Of this Asshats...

Some further things:

We don't do many shows anymore mostly because of children posting in this thread who seem to expect that we should be selling our goods for less than what they may have been able to pick it up for a decade back.
Did a show over the weekend, ran into a few faggots with this mental state
Had a few internet Queers who were put off over my price on Soviet bakalite AKM mags a $65 a pop, one shitbird WHINED over them being $40 bucks a few years ago. Told him Fuk Off & walked away.

Here is how it works idiots
We drive SIX hours to do a damn show
We pay $40+ a damn table
then there is motels & meals

That's all off the top before you start to make ANY profit

So figure you are already $500+ in the hole, likely more before your first sale.

Internet fools begrudge anyone even a slight markup, nope they seem to think the deserve everything well under cost. I will nearly spit in your collective faces faggots.
I'm real easy to deal with but when you sissies pull out the damn Stupid phone as your substitute brain I'm done with your ass. You are just another Web based moron. No time for your type.
I mean why are you even at a show ?

We run 4 to 8 tables of mostly parts
twice over the weekend I had young asshats try to tell me they could buy G1 kits easily for under $200.00
Yeah right
all while they fingerbanged the hand held silicon brain in a vain attempt to keep up with me.
I'm hardly any expert but I have a nose for shit, this whole thread reeks of it.

Sold all he Soviet Bakalites we brought, Web faggots offered $30.00, well NO. I'm not some damn charity operation for dumb assed web kidz.

Yes there are plenty of Vendor tards too
something to register in your thick ass heads is prices differ vendor to vendor and vendor to public. Say an item is tagged at $1650, you might get it for $1500 but if I am interested it's often $1100 or less and it's been that way since at least the 70s. Most of you are on the wrong side of the tables.
Sorry you special little snowflakes, that's the truth of that industry

btw, same goes on with collectors cars or the Vespas a few homos here use to chase children in Missouri and Arkansas
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I've stopped going to the local "open to the public" gun shows for the reasons stated above; plus too much jerky is bad for my diet.

OTOH, I have been a member of the Ohio Gun Collectors Association for several years. OGCA is, I believe, the largest collector club in the country, and their shows are light years ahead of the public offerings. If your area has a members only collector club, it might be worth your time and energy to join.

One of my favorite aspects of OGCA is the large number of authors of gun history who are members. Want to know something about Astras, Marlin lever guns, Thompsons? There is the guy who literally wrote the book on that particular firearm, at a table two rows over.
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That is an image I did not need to have etched in my mind...
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