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Old December 10, 2017, 21:21   #1
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"You Grow Up Wanting To Be Luke Skywalker, Then Realize You've Become A Stormtrooper

Might as well plop this in here.

You grew up wanting so bad to be Luke Skywalker, but you realize that you were basically a Stormtrooper, a faceless, nameless rifleman, carrying a spear for empire, and you start to accept the startlingly obvious truth that these are people like you.

Question: How do you Americans as a people walk around head held high, knowing that every few months your country is committing a 9/11 size atrocity to other people. Imagine if the 9/11 terror attacks were happening in America every few months. Again and again, innocent people dying all around you. Your brothers and sisters. For no reason.

Daniel Crimmins from U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division answered:

Many of us are unable. Many of us watched 9/11, and accepted the government and media’s definition of the attack as a act of war rather than a criminal action. A smaller portion, drifting along passively thought a major war was coming, that people we knew were going to fight and die. Some of us maybe worried about our younger brother being drafted, despite being in college. Now, it seems stupid, but in the 72 hours after 9/11, some Americans, maybe suffering from depression, certainly with a mind shaped by comic books and action movies, ate up the “us vs. them” good vs. evil rhetoric spouted by the cowboy in chief. After all, he was the president, and no matter how bright you might think yourself, you can still be swayed by passion and emotion, led to terrible decisions.

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Old December 10, 2017, 21:48   #2
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Once bummer took over the war you could expect no different. It's the way socialist Marxist fight wars.
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Old December 11, 2017, 04:06   #4
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I always question the post 911 call to war by dumbo Booosh

Tora Bora, bomb it into small chunks

Iraq was not even a 911 issue

myself, I'm a bastard but I would have deployed a smaller tactical nuke or two against Tora Bora post 911
We had a rare moral imperative we mostly wasted waging conventional war costing tens of thousands of lives on both sides

World would have still been kissing American ass had we went hard and struck with a hammer instead of sissy shit
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I've said this before, doing away with the draft was a stroke of genius ...thank you Dick Nixon! Now the US can be involved in unlimited carnage worldwide and nobody cares. Their little boy is not coming home in an aluminum shipping crate because he didn't volunteer to be a 'storm trouper'.
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Old December 11, 2017, 08:32   #6
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I would have deployed a smaller tactical nuke or two against Tora Bora post 911
We had a rare moral imperative we mostly wasted waging conventional war costing tens of thousands of lives on both sides

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I have to ask. Do you feel it is a wise precedent to start tossing around 'tactical' nuclear weapons? Even though they inflict only 'modest' destruction, 'low' radiation and are 'precision' tools. What we give to others are usually returned in kind.
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Old December 11, 2017, 09:59   #7
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as far as i am concerned the only good rag head is a dead rag head. it is a proven fact that middle easterners, negros, red dot indians, and mestizos have an average IQ of about 85 on average, with lower creative potential, and that they have an enhanced aggressiveness by nature, especially in relation to territorial and reproductive behaviours. this is the result of hundreds of generations in a deprived and super-competitive environment in which only hyper-aggressive men propogated. the genetic predisposition for aggression was passed on and became a part of the culture through darwinian process. the human genome project has documented the differences. accepting the reality is accepting science and rationality.

remove these ethnic groups from the world, en masse, and productivity would soar in a peaceful environment. standard of living would increase, and "happiness" would increase dramatically.

do it for the children.
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as far as i am concerned the only good rag head is a dead rag head. it is a proven fact that middle easterners, negros, red dot indians, and mestizos have an average IQ of about 85 on average, with lower creative potential, and that they have an enhanced aggressiveness by nature, especially in relation to territorial and reproductive behaviours. this is the result of hundreds of generations in a deprived and super-competitive environment in which only hyper-aggressive men propogated. the genetic predisposition for aggression was passed on and became a part of the culture through darwinian process. the human genome project has documented the differences. accepting the reality is accepting science and rationality.

remove these ethnic groups from the world, en masse, and productivity would soar in a peaceful environment. standard of living would increase, and "happiness" would increase dramatically.

do it for the children.
Was the justaracist username taken?

It is obvious by your serial posting of crimes of blacks, etc in N & CE that you have some issues.
And I don't think that a guy that can't find the cap key and makes so many other errors should really be pointing out the IQ of others.

ps.... your fact about IQs is based on erroneous testing procedures.





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Old December 11, 2017, 10:29   #9
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Tora Bora, bomb it into small chunks
Since no proof was offered, I am not the slightest convinced that OBL planned 9-11 in a cave in Afghanistan.

Sorry, but the claims of our govt are worthless w/o proof.



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as far as i am concerned the only good rag head is a dead rag head. it is a proven fact that middle easterners, negros, red dot indians, and mestizos have an average IQ of about 85 on average, with lower creative potential, and that they have an enhanced aggressiveness by nature, especially in relation to territorial and reproductive behaviours. this is the result of hundreds of generations in a deprived and super-competitive environment in which only hyper-aggressive men propogated. the genetic predisposition for aggression was passed on and became a part of the culture through darwinian process. the human genome project has documented the differences. accepting the reality is accepting science and rationality.

remove these ethnic groups from the world, en masse, and productivity would soar in a peaceful environment. standard of living would increase, and "happiness" would increase dramatically.

do it for the children.
It should be done for the children, I agree. Now, while we still can. It is only gonna be tougher to do it later on.
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Hmmm.

Ages ago, right after 9/11, stumbled onto a website/story about how it would take a "Pearl Harbor like event, to rally Americans en masse around a 'war on terror'..."

I think that for decades, many folks just didn't question the evening news- myself included- didn't occur that there might be a collusion/hookup between .gub and the media....you go to work, come home, turn on the tube to get a bit of info, eat dinner....go to bed, and repeat.

Started getting a bit pissed way back in Iran/Contra days...something didn't seem right, but couldn't put a point to it. Seemed like all of them were lying about something, but was trying to just get the daily life in order as a young guy...and kind of walked away from it again for a while.

After 9/11....became WAY more skeptical of the media, .gub, education system, etc....sigh...guess it took a long time to think about this, just didn't know or care, just trying to go to work, pay bills, etc. But for about the last 15-16 years, I don't trust a damn one of them.

Guess sometimes it takes a long time to either wake up, pay attention, or both. Wish I would have paid more attention earlier in life.

Been trying to talk to what is left of family and friends ever since, but they don't want to hear it. Some are pissed that O is gone, and that H lost, they love both of them. DJT is the devil, etc. I have no doubt if DJT gets impeached, they will do headstands in the street, and if H or some other communist wins in 2020, they would probably light off fireworks in celebration, same if in 2018 the house/senate flops back to D control, they will probably throw a party.

Guess almost 100 years of progressivism/communism is doing its intended job on the masses.
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I am not the slightest convinced that OBL planned 9-11 in a cave in Afghanistan...

Indeed, it was planned in a house in Yemen. IIRC that house didn't get drone-bombed until circa 2004-2005... gotta run now, might dig up links later.

That said, we definitely dropped the ball big-time in A-stan, post-1989 Soviet Exodus... the mindset was painted fairly well in the Hollyweird flick 'Charlie Wilson's War'...
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Guess sometimes it takes a long time to either wake up, pay attention, or both. Wish I would have paid more attention earlier in life.
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It takes a lot of time and personal observation. Remember you are up against propaganda techniques that have been carefully crafted over generations, delivered by the best technology that the planet can manage. All paid for by a fraudulent money scheme that has taken at least 300 years to evolve. And everyone you know, including yourself has been conditioned to want to believe it since birth. It very truly is the matrix and the odds were never in your favor.

So don't beat yourself up about it. You have managed to see it for what it is despite all that. This took a questioning mind and an honest intellect and is no small accomplishment, one that most people even here can't boast.
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It takes a lot of time and personal observation. Remember you are up against propaganda techniques that have been carefully crafted over generations, delivered by the best technology that the planet can manage. All paid for by a fraudulent money scheme that has taken at least 300 years to evolve. And everyone you know, including yourself has been conditioned to want to believe it since birth. It very truly is the matrix and the odds were never in your favor.

So don't beat yourself up about it. You have managed to see it for what it is despite all that. This took a questioning mind and an honest intellect and is no small accomplishment, one that most people even here can't boast.
Yep, about the time I turned 50, I started realizing that I had been brainwashed. Now I have come to the point that I don't believe anything that is published for consumption by the general public.
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Yep, about the time I turned 50, I started realizing that I had been brainwashed. Now I have come to the point that I don't believe anything that is published for consumption by the general public.
Just a point of view but the same can be said for the net, who can you believe? It's like zero hedges story for this thread, it's just a point of view shared by those who hate America but with enough truth in it to persuade a fence sitter to believe it. Not everyone who joined the military did it for the same reasons, some wanted to be storm troopers who kill our enemies. Some couldn't find a job and others were looking for college funds. It's a volunteer army.
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Not quite right.

Many did find out that they were Luke Skywalker and bombed the shit out of the Islamic crazies. They flew A-10's, F16's F18's, Stealth Fighers, etc etc.

Many others became virtual Jedi, in Seal and SF units, clearing out the jihadis in hand to hand combat.

Plato knew this long ago.

War is our only real product, and the sooner people get used to the fact that they only live off the fat of the land between wars, is truth.

Libertarians are only that until they have to use the pubic highway.



Oh it will come here for sure.
Tell me how many firearms in the USA today?
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Not quite right.

Many did find out that they were Luke Skywalker and bombed the shit out of the Islamic crazies. They flew A-10's, F16's F18's, Stealth Fighers, etc etc.

Many others became virtual Jedi, in Seal and SF units, clearing out the jihadis in hand to hand combat.

Plato knew this long ago.

War is our only real product, and the sooner people get used to the fact that they only live off the fat of the land between wars, is truth.

Libertarians are only that until they have to use the pubic highway.



Oh it will come here for sure.
Tell me how many firearms in the USA today?
"Life," is to fight, and an opposing side always shows up.
Not in all cases. It's like this thread, it was posted because the poster agrees with the point of view. The conditions needed to win the war and do it right were changed by Obama the loser. He never wanted to win the war, he used our troops to get the countries we were involved with to hate us. His rules of engagement made our troops storm troopers rather than victors winning a war.

While it is true that the war has been a failure because after 17 years we are still fighting it, it's not because the troops were dissalussioned over why we fight. It's because nobody knows what winning looks like now and that is pure bad leadership. I seriously doubt anyone goes into the war machine thinking they will be Skywalker, John Wayne maybe but not a little faggot like Skywalker.
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Not in all cases. It's like this thread, it was posted because the poster agrees with the point of view. The conditions needed to win the war and do it right were changed by Obama the loser. He never wanted to win the war, he used our troops to get the countries we were involved with to hate us. His rules of engagement made our troops storm troopers rather than victors winning a war.

While it is true that the war has been a failure because after 17 years we are still fighting it, it's not because the troops were dissalussioned over why we fight. It's because nobody knows what winning looks like now and that is pure bad leadership. I seriously doubt anyone goes into the war machine thinking they will be Skywalker, John Wayne maybe but not a little faggot like Skywalker.
pssss...... it was always unwinnable.
Bush had 8 years and didn't, yet you want to blame Obama.
Afghanistan has a long history of refusing to be conquered by foreign powers.
Other than extermination they will always resist.

Bush just made the same blunder the Soviet Union and Briton did twice.





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Not to mention the trillions spent on these conflicts.
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Afghanistan was invaded in the name of "doing something" in retribution for 9/11 and based on the intel that said the master organizer was there.

Iraq was started to force Iran's neighbor to trade oil on the US dollar and finish Daddy's business he'd started during his tenure as POTUS.

It's all been fought to keep terrorists/revolutionaries/unfriendly government forces away from Rome's doorstep, ensure that oil continues to trade on the dollar, feed the Mil-Industrial Complex, and under pin Bush's vision of a New World Order.


Geo. W Bush and Geo. H.W Bush wrote a book to be released soon called "The Last Republicans" about their political careers. Frankly, if they consider themselves the last Republicans, I'm tickled pink. Their party has done nothing but bring us endless wars and trillions in debt if so that's what's riding off into the sunset, more power to them.
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The appeal that Luke SW., exemplifies is akin to a FPS game. In real life death happens - to Stormtroopers, and Star Trek Redshirts! Hollywood and bullet proof 'Celebs', Nationalism and Testosterone make our Young vulnerable, to exploitation - .....be all the Storm Trooper, you can be, Luke!
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Roman soldiers/Centurions just fought who they were told to fight.

And so it goes.

Can you imagine that we fought a Civil War over ...............what?
You gotta be shitting me!!
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A person going to war thinking they are Skywalker never grew up. Those that sit back and watch the wars are the skywalkers.
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Afghanistan is unable to fed its population. The only thing keeping them from feasting on each other is the infusion of millions of $$$ and supplies from Uncle Sammy. The only product they have that people are interested in buying is dope.

Pull out our people. Take even the shitter seats. Spray the poppy fields on a regular basis and let nature take its course.
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After Basic Training if you have any notion that the military, is like Star Wars you are deluded. I love Star Wars but knew it in no way resembled what I volunteered to join back in 92. I grew up watching Vietnam movies and knew that war is ugly. That impression was confirmed by spending two and a half years in Iraq Kuwait and Afghanistan.

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I think a few of you guy's take the metaphor Luke Skywalker a bit to literally.

Believe it is more he thought it would be joining a noble cause, protecting the citizenry and found out he was just another cog in the MIC war biz.




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Nobody wants to be Luke.

You want to fly the Millennium Falcon and date HoTT ALieN ChiXX.
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You want to fly the Millennium Falcon and date HoTT ALieN ChiXX.
^^^Winner!!
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Actually Afghanistan has quite a lot of valuable mineral resources. The Chinese would like to get their greedy hands on these resources and then sell them at a huge profit to others.

The poppy fields are as far as I know the only cash crop grown is that shithole of a country. So whatever happened to Agent Orange anyway?

And so it goes.


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So whatever happened to Agent Orange anyway?
Rebranded as Roundup and in all the food and water you drink.





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Rebranded as Roundup and in all the food and water you drink.

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Chemically it is nothing at all like Roundup. Even O-Chem ignoramuses like yourself could figure that out with three minutes of effort on the interweb, that you didn't even bother is another indicator of how you respond emotionally instead of rationally.
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Not to mention the trillions spent on these conflicts.
Where did those trillions of dollars go?
A very large percentage went right back into the U.S. economy.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and of course, profits for the capitalists. Probably BIG profits.
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Chemically it is nothing at all like Roundup. Even O-Chem ignoramuses like yourself could figure that out with three minutes of effort on the interweb, that you didn't even bother is another indicator of how you respond emotionally instead of rationally.
Don't confuse the issue with facts, Sir !

Everyone knows that Glyphosate, 2-4D, and 2,4,5-T are the same !

Mother Jones said so !
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Chemically it is nothing at all like Roundup. Even O-Chem ignoramuses like yourself could figure that out with three minutes of effort on the interweb, that you didn't even bother is another indicator of how you respond emotionally instead of rationally.
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Pull out our people. Take even the shitter seats. Spray the poppy fields on a regular basis and let nature take its course.
So, no involvement, ( soldiers, et cetera ) but stay involved ( aircraft, et cetera ) ?




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So, no involvement, ( soldiers, et cetera ) but stay involved ( aircraft, et cetera ) ?




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Afghanistan is unable to fed its population. The only thing keeping them from feasting on each other is the infusion of millions of $$$ and supplies from Uncle Sammy. The only product they have that people are interested in buying is dope.

Pull out our people. Take even the shitter seats. Spray the poppy fields on a regular basis and let nature take its course.

Um... that's what was happening (spraying the poppy fields) when ISIS was there. Poppies are back since the CIA is in country. Gotta keep the off-budget revenue coming.

As for feeding themselves? They've been doing fine for centuries - and long before we took an interest. And the people living there? Healthy enough to kill Brits by the thousands. Fought a decent (proxy) war against the Russians, too.


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I have to ask. Do you feel it is a wise precedent to start tossing around 'tactical' nuclear weapons? Even though they inflict only 'modest' destruction, 'low' radiation and are 'precision' tools. What we give to others are usually returned in kind.
Okay, how many megatons did we drop into the sandbox using "conventional" weapons such as FAEs.
We had the moral high ground at the time, much of the world actually expected us to respond with measured nuclear fury.

The better way to look at this is how would have Saddam and the Norks have viewed a new willingness by America to deploy the hammer if they didn't behave ?

Instead we became a Paper Tiger.

Whether OBL was guilty or not is another discussion
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Um... that's what was happening (spraying the poppy fields) when ISIS was there. Poppies are back since the CIA is in country. Gotta keep the off-budget revenue coming.

As for feeding themselves? They've been doing fine for centuries - and long before we took an interest. And the people living there? Healthy enough to kill Brits by the thousands. Fought a decent (proxy) war against the Russians, too.


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Minor correction
That was the Taliban and we paid them MILLIONS to do it.
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Where did those trillions of dollars go?
A very large percentage went right back into the U.S. economy.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and of course, profits for the capitalists. Probably BIG profits.
Yes but one cannot complain about our national deficits and then applaud defense contractors for making record profits.
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You should read it. It is full of amusements.
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Yes but one cannot complain about our national deficits and then applaud defense contractors for making record profits.
Did someone do that?
I merely added to your comment.
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Um... that's what was happening (spraying the poppy fields) when ISIS was there. Poppies are back since the CIA is in country. Gotta keep the off-budget revenue coming.

As for feeding themselves? They've been doing fine for centuries - and long before we took an interest. And the people living there? Healthy enough to kill Brits by the thousands. Fought a decent (proxy) war against the Russians, too.


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http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=12055

They have never had the influx of cash and supplies like they are enjoying now. I doubt they will ever move from the lucrative trade in opium to wheat. Do you?
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They have never had the influx of cash and supplies like they are enjoying now. I doubt they will ever move from the lucrative trade in opium to wheat. Do you?
You fell victim to one of the Classic Blunders !

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Guess I don't get the joke. It happens, but I have been told that to be funny a joke has to contain some aspect of truth. This does not.
It is a joke because of the popular belief that Agent Orange and Roundup are the same.

I am not a Roundup guy, when I want to kill weeds not fertilize them I use Esplanade EZ.





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Okay, how many megatons did we drop into the sandbox using "conventional" weapons such as FAEs.
We had the moral high ground at the time, much of the world actually expected us to respond with measured nuclear fury. ...
Declaring, "We had the moral high ground at the time ..." for the devastation we helped wrought in the MENA is not something I would like to go to the hereafter knowing I was part of it ... but that's another issue. Using tactical weapons 'with measured nuclear fury' is a genie we don't want out of the bottle anymore than it already is. Words/phrases like; things just spun out of control, unintended consequences, endgame should be seriously contemplated before any nuclear button is pushed. Contemplation and restraint unfortunately rare qualities in a country run by psychopathic lunatics.
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Declaring, "We had the moral high ground at the time ..." for the devastation we helped wrought in the MENA is not something I would like to go to the hereafter knowing I was part of it ... but that's another issue. Using tactical weapons 'with measured nuclear fury' is a genie we don't want out of the bottle anymore than it already is. Words/phrases like; things just spun out of control, unintended consequences, endgame should be seriously contemplated before any nuclear button is pushed. Contemplation and restraint unfortunately rare qualities in a country run by psychopathic lunatics.
I respect what you are stating totally

conversely we ended up destroying two nations, according to some studies over a million casualties
My position is had we deployed a measured hammer the fatalities would have been rather limited. Pakis would have shit themselves badly. Saddam would have rolled over, Norks would have shut up.

I don't have a great deal of fright regarding nukes, FAEs are at a tactical nuclear Kt level however they are somewhat ineffective munitions when deployed against say a mountain bunker complex.
Further, this is all about shocking and awing the shit out of bad actors elsewhere on the planet. That's the tactical objective

Rather than becoming a Paper Tiger we would have became a rabid Jaguar thus limiting further bad behavior by other actors

I would ask at what point would you unleash the hammer against cave dwellers ?
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I am not a Roundup guy, when I want to kill weeds not fertilize them I use Esplanade EZ.





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