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Conversation with a California gun lover.
So yesterday, I had a guy in the shop who just happened to be a recent transplant from California who came to North Texas following the jobs and great economy.
He professed a love of Christ and appreciated the lower taxes and inexpensive housing compared to SoCal. Eventually, his gaze landed on my 1860 Henry repro propped in the corner and the conversation turned to guns. He launched into a monologue on how he thought guns were OK and how guys obviously liked hunting and target shooting, but he couldn't understand how it was necessary to have a gun that was designed to kill 'many people with just one clip' and was designed to be used by an Army. He them went on to state now the Government needs to better control who gets guns and to get unsafe military guns away from people because we have no business having them. I attempted to talk about 2A but he again launched into how he understands how people want to hunt and possibly a system of signing out a hunting gun from a police department might be a way to allow people a way to hunt, but guns really have no business being in private homes in America. By this time I must have been rolling my eyes because he asked me if I feel as he does. Not having a chance to respond, he said he doesn't believe in gun control, he thinks people should be able to access guns when they have a legitimate need, such as hunting. I pointed out that is control and he looked at me like I was stupid... I then pointed out that a hunting rifle makes a fine sniper rifle and he said he would limit hunting rifles to lower power calibers. Point being, this is the New Texan, and this is the new reality here. We're gonna be fooked. He really believes this shit....
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January 04, 2018, 22:00
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That's why you have to work to convert as many people as possible. I do and it has some impact. As a 2A advocate it's what we do. Some people take a while. Understand there are millions out there that have never heard the other side. One of the things I fault the Republican Party with is abandoning the cities and places like California.
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January 04, 2018, 22:31
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Show him the door.
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January 04, 2018, 22:55
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The liberals are fleeing the "Blue" states because they made their homes unlivable with socialism and idiocy. Now they are spreading like a disease across America and bringing their problems with them to make our homes unlivable.
Our hope is that they continue to embrace abortion and keep slaying their infants to cull the liberal herds and keep their numbers in check. We are at war with these morons and the more they do to reduce their numbers the better. Too bad we can't wall off the borders between Cali, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, etc.
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January 04, 2018, 22:58
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Sorry you Texans got stuck with that liberal skewed pos, but it's likely he wasn't a California anyway. What I mean is this; California has been been a gathering ground for many years now of these libtard jackwagons, they came here for the good life which really was the good life. Lots of jobs at good pay, best weather in the world, recreation unlimited.
Enough of their ilk had amassed here that by the late 1970's things started to change, at that time we were a solid conservative state. In the 80's as more occupiers came we lost ground fast. The current wave of social marxist don't speak english or care to. California's population has nearly doubled in 40 years, all these new citizens were not born in this state, they came from other states and more recently from across the border. So while I feel sorry for anybody who has to deal these goobers it's important to note that most of them are fleeing the mess they caused after 20 years or maybe one generation of living here, they not so long ago came from where you live. They fucked up this place up but good and now they are moving on (or going back where they came from) to soil another nice place. They are vermin and are not missed by longtime Californians.
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January 04, 2018, 23:06
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My point being, he considers himself a "gun guy". He thinks he's pro gun in his mind. He feels that being 'pro gun' is 'allowing' us to go to the library or police station and 'sign out' a gun to go hunting with for a day.
He has NO clue about 2A, NO clue about what gun rights really mean, what shooting sports are, what hunting is, what self defense is, or what any of the original reasons to own one gun or 50 are. He needs to be edumacated, not shown the door. He needs to be taken out and allowed to shoot, then sat down and taught a history lesson. His mind is open, he's just full of Jerry Brown bullshit. I got his number. I think I'll call Andy and Phillip, and hit the range with the guy. I bet you a guy like this can be salvaged. We need to walk towards these guys, not away from them.
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January 04, 2018, 23:17
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January 04, 2018, 23:25
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Not for nothing but when the Brits went after the rifles in lexington and the cannon in Concorde patriots from as far as Georgia went en masses to New England to protect gun rights. When the current masters of our lands banned and took guns in California and New York nobody moved a muscle. During the mass protests in Albany against the latest infringements I’ll bet there wasn’t a soul from Texas or Alabama or Georgia.
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January 04, 2018, 23:29
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show him a cloth soaked in chloroform and throw him in a box and send him back to California before he wakes up..
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January 05, 2018, 07:58
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I am so sorry for your loss.....
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January 05, 2018, 08:45
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Sure it was a "he"? Not one of those "something in between" types?
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Meh! Not much mercy here for Texans afflicted with Californians. We get Texans all the time. Did I ever tell you about the Texas-New Mexico Expedition? Damn Texans got lost and we had to rescue them.
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You folks born and raised in "free states" don't know what it was like to be immersed in in the suburbs or metros of states like Cali, NY, NJ, IL, etc. People are indoctrinated in that nonsense since birth. 99% of the people you have contact with believe it. The schools teach it. The local government preaches it. I was a transplant from suburban NY to NC. I never liked taxes, crowds or government nannies, but I did not understand why anyone needed a handgun or semi-auto. They were difficult to own in the community I grew up in and you were nearly shunned if you tried. I was taught that the police would protect you. I remember my family's astonished "What do you need that for?" reaction when I bought my first handgun in NC. Now, I realize what freedom and personal responsibility means. I was lucky to have friends and neighbors who were understanding, patient and showed me the way.
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January 05, 2018, 11:27
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wouldn't it be easier to just shoot all of the anti-gun liberals?
once you get a few thousand all of the rest will sit up and take notice, and begin to understand that power comes not from the barrel of a gun, and that the only way to guarantee that the people retain the power is... 150 million people have been murdered by their own governments in this century, because they allowed their government to tell them they had to register their guns, and then took the guns from them, and used the same guns to kill them.
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Are you sure that he wasn't from Austin, and ashamed to admit it ?
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January 05, 2018, 15:02
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anti gun types NEVER change. its like the idiots who believe in chemtrails & the "gov bombed the twin towers", no amount of logic, history or well presented facts will change them.
most indians i know are anti gun & their gg grandfathers were hunted like jack rabbits by white folks. same for jews & blacks, mexicans seem to be 50-50. most gun owners are p$&&ies with strong fudd beliefs. how many gun owners dog on the nra? |
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 Yes Texas is fukced eventually. I'll move the 1st time it swings blue. Actually Texas scores down the list for gun friendly
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Duuuude ,that guy is no ca gun lover,he is a cancer cell posing as a gun lover in an attempt to pass Texan muster. I'm a ca gun lover and can tell when a poser smells as Libby and fishy as this guy.
He needs a bitch slap,crash course in what the 2A means and what the ramifications are if we citizens are disarmed. If someone asks me why I have want or need a semi auto rifle,isaybecause I want it,I need it and I am left handed so I can't safely operate a bolt action due to my 'disability' . So I have to use a semi auto. Should be a requirement where people moving to a pro 2a state must buy a gun and certify to the pledge of allegiance and the COTUS. |
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January 06, 2018, 15:20
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I've met many CA gun owners who oppose any kind of gun control but when a new law is proposed they won't lift a finger to help stop it but will go out and buy whatever is going to be banned and then say "They can pass whatever law they want now, I have mine". This mentality surprised me but I now think it would be a common attitude wherever draconian laws are proposed.
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January 06, 2018, 15:22
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Thanks for that. My tongue was firmly in my cheek with the title in case you didn't know.
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Sorry man, didn't mean to be a buzz kill.
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When he said he didn't believe in gun control, you should have asked him to recite the 2A.
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When he said he didn't believe in gun control, you should have asked him to recite the 2A.
If he couldn't, then you should recite it for him. And then ask where it mentions hunting anywhere in it. Then if we're ever attacked or invaded AGAIN, make sure he understands maybe they'll be hunting him and then you'll ask him again how he feels about those hunting guns. |
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LOL....I saw the same shite when I passed through there a few years back....but I knew to expect it....still, was not normal TX folk there. Reminded me of Ann Arbor here....
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I genuinely wish you good luck in this crusade.
One thing I notice when countering a liberal's spiel, they do not see self defense as an accepted use of a gun. -That's what the police are for. They still think the police will show up like the cavalry in a 1950's western. They still think the police are expert marksmen. They also think the police are prescient and know who the bad guy is. They still envision a utopia where only police have guns. - If only... So what happens if the police decide they will abandon an area to criminals? This happened blatantly in 1992. Korean businessmen were left to defend their families, homes and businesses without any law enforcement support. If they had to 'sign out' their own guns from a police station they would have been burned to death. Following Katrina, neighborhoods in southern Louisiana were isolated by flood waters. Power was out and the police had no way to respond even if they wanted to. Citizens who decided to stay had to fend off looters with what they had. Signing guns out at the police station would not have produced a good outcome. Really, I think the liberal is often unable to believe that people are responsible enough to own a gun. Its a psychological obstacle they can't get past. In some situations its projection too. They can't personally handle it so no one can. They point out the AR can be used to kill so many people. That only happens if the person who has the AR wants to kill a bunch of people -and- no one is on site with the power to intervene. Usually the bad guy arranges it this way. It should be noted that more people get shot where there is more gun-control law. A gun-free zone just makes for easier victims. Seriously, good luck.
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Interesting of the rot that comes from the shitholes. I'm trying to figure out why the population increase doesnt balance with the decrease
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...record-numbers
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G-d this thread is a complete TOTAL Joke
See, CDN is a wacky assed CANUCK  He is in no way Texican, most Wetbacks have a better claim then he does really so you can all get off that shit. Canadian Conservatives ? No different than those from New York or New Jersey half my family is in Canada, very Conservative and hard core gun control CDN to me represents no less of a possible nexus of infestation than Californian fools |
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January 09, 2018, 08:25
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"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." -Ayn Rand, "The Nature of Government" |
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January 09, 2018, 09:20
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Since he was eyeing your Henry, you should have told him how it was the "assault weapon" of its day, as was the Flintlock, the Percussion rifle, the revolver, etc. As technology advances, what becomes new and scary causes other to forget what those old guns can do. MY grandkids may one day be shooting their Laser rifles, when somebody breaks out an ar15 like "pawpaw" used to have.
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