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Old November 22, 2014, 16:10   #1
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Beretta 92S review

Beretta 92S review

I couldn’t resist the sub-$300 price on the Beretta 92S from Palmetto State Armory.



I’m quite satisfied with the specimen I received yesterday.
Not a museum piece by any means, but well worth the price paid.
It appears to have been very well-kept all these years, but with the exception of some pitting on the safety lever.



Pics will follow in a separate post to this thread.



I believe my gun to be from the general lot currently being sold by several vendors of the usual online suspects.



The gun I received appears to be in perfect working condition.
Much evidence of “carried a lot, and shot very little.”



The bore is excellent.
The bore was dirty when received.
At first I thought I saw a patch of pitting, which turned out to be just some hairy fouling, and which quickly disappeared after application of bronze brush and Break-Free.



Break Free is just about all I ever use to clean and maintain guns these days.
This gun got the usual robust Break-Free enema when I got into the man cave.
I mean I DROWN the gun in the stuff until it is seeping out of every crack and crevice.
A couple range trips usually shakes-out any excess, and it ensures that sufficient lube finds its way to the nether regions that would otherwise be neglected unless the owner gives it a full tear-down --- which I will not.



I field stripped the gun for the Break-Free treatment.
I did not remove the grip panels.
For whatever reason, Beretta has the notion that screw slots for grip-panel screws should be only slightly wider than a human hair.
I don’t own a screwdriver that will fit in that screw-slot, except a screwdriver I got in a kit at the drug store for fixing eyeglasses.
Removing the grips usually expedites clean-up of the Break-Free enema, but this one will just have to seep until I can get around to modifying a screwdriver to fit the grip-panel screw-slots.



The muzzle and breech look quite good.
You will see a whitish artifact from the camera at 6 o’clock in the muzzle pic.
I’m not sure what causes that artifact. There is nothing actually physically on (or wrong-with) the muzzle to explain the weird white image. Its just a flaw in the photo.



The slide engagement areas on the frame clearly show use.
I’m of the opinion that this “use” is more from repeated loading/unloading than actual firing.



The Italians actually used the lanyard loop.
You will notice that the lanyard loop shows considerable wear, and that the floorplate of the magazine has a corresponding “dent” from the hook of the lanyard loop compressing the baseplate.



Sights are miniscule, and pretty much a joke so far as a quality of aiming device.
Testament to the Italians subscribing to the notion that whoever draws and fires first usually wins, no matter whether “aiming” is really involved.
Just eyeballing it, I have to say that the horizontal edge of the front sight is slightly off-square with the vertical edge. Not that it matters, because the front sight is so short, you would never notice it in a gunfight.



None of the springs exhibited any visible wear, or decay.
The recoil spring, and recoil spring guide look immaculate.



The magazine looks like its seen a lot of handling and very little use.
The follower is made of some sort of metal alloy, and is in excellent condition, showing only a small area of wear from engagement with the magazine release lever.



I tried to get the best pics I could of the various markings.
It is interesting that the barrel has two conspicuous numbers. The “serial number” on the barrel matches the serial number on the frame of the pistol but for the upper-case letter prefix and suffix that are included on the frame of the pistol.
The second number on the barrel is very well-executed. A part number perhaps???



No range report yet.
If the weather is nice, and the world behaves, I might make it out as soon as Tuesday.
I’ll try it with some brass-case and steel-case 115 grain range ammo.
I’d be interested to know what the Italians think this gun is zeroed for – 124-grain NATO load perhaps?
Whose idea was it that all the 9mm range ammo has to be 115-grain? Can 9 grains of lead, and 0.2 grains of gunpowder really make THAT MUCH difference?



Also, I picked up a couple of the “correct” 92S genuine Beretta mags from Midway.
So, those will be tested too.
I got some 92SF mags also, but that don’t have the cutout in the right place. That will be a project for another day to modify those mags, and see if they will actually work in the 92S.




Right side
(white "smear" on frame below external trigger bar is just a reflection from the oily surface - finish is intact there)




Left side




Muzzle




Breech




Front sight




Frame wear




Frame wear 2




Serial numbers




Proof mark right side of barrel




Proof mark link lug




Proof mark frame




Grip screw and mag-release button




Hammer face




Mag well




Magazine markings




Magazine follower 1




Magazine follower 2




Magazine baseplate



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Gun in box




Box




Box label




Below, you will see the safety-lever pitting I mentioned earlier.
Judging from the looks of the pitting, I would estimate the pitting was the result of human blood that was left on the gun after some unfortunate Italian gendarme got the palm of his hand caught between the barrel and the slide during his annual qualification.
The peril of the “open top” slide.



I traded-away my previous 92SF for three reasons:
1. I got a sweet trade on a .22 Smith and Wesson “kit gun” in excellent condition.
2. Let’s face it, the grip on any Beretta 92 series is seriously FAT for being just a 9mm, and OK… my hands just aren’t that big. But don’t believe the rumours.
3. Beretta bite. That 92SF bit the palm of my hand viciously! Yes… 100% my fault that I let it happen, but after that, I had queasy feelings about that gun.



Now, about that pitting.
When the Beretta 92 series bites, it REALLY HURTS, and you WILL BLEED.
The area of the gun where the blood from your bloody palm will land is on the back of the slide in the area of the selector.
The area of the pitting on the 92S was pretty hairy-looking (rust) when I received it, so I jabbed at it with an old copper penny until all the rust-bloom was knocked-off, and then I worked on it a bit with a dental pick to dig any residual human matter from the pits.
You will see it in the pics as a silvery-shiny (and still somewhat pitted) area.
I’ll keep Break-Free on the afflicted area, and live with it. Every service gun seems to come with a scar.




Safety pitting




Beretta bite 1




Beretta bite 2




Beretta bite 3




Beretta bite 4




Beretta bite 5





At the end of the day, I have to say that it was this picture of a couple Marines and a misbehaving skinny in Somalia that made me always want to still have a Beretta 92.



…and now I gots me one again!


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Old November 22, 2014, 16:22   #2
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I have one I got new probably around 20 years ago. No more than 500 rounds down the tube. It was my 1st DA/SA pistol. Can't bring myself to carry it nor can I bring myself to getting rid of it. Thought maybe it would be one to see if my wife can shoot as she has trouble manipulating the slide on my P239 Sig and don't even consider with my 1911's.

One thing though is they hold a wad of cartridges. Good reveiw Gary
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I have one I got new probably around 20 years ago. No more than 500 rounds down the tube. It was my 1st DA/SA pistol. Can't bring myself to carry it nor can I bring myself to getting rid of it. Thought maybe it would be one to see if my wife can shoot as she has trouble manipulating the slide on my P239 Sig and don't even consider with my 1911's.

One thing though is they hold a wad of cartridges. Good reveiw Gary

World's easiest to operate 9mm slide is the Ruger P95.
I have a few of those around as "beaters" too.

P95 has way slimmer grip than the Beretta 92 or the Browning Hi-Power.
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After viewing all those photo's of the 92S I would say that you did okay for the money you spent. You will never have to worry about carrying that 92S and getting it banged up or scratched. One or two more won't matter at all.

Now about that biting that you describe. I have two 92FS's and an INOX 96 .40 S&W. I have smallish hands and have never been bitten by any of the three. Can't really say why but maybe it is just the way I grip them. I bought both of the 92FS's new in the box. The 96 was purchased by a co-worker at the federal prison NIB who put exactly 15 rounds of Rem-UMC 180 grain FMJ through it and decided that he didn't like it. So he offered it to me with the remainder of the ammo for $400. It came with two of the post ban ten round mags. The standard capacity mag holds eleven and there was no way I was going to pay the asking price of $50 per mag for an eleven rounder. A few years later the AWB died in 2004 and I ended up buying three used eleven round mags from CDNN for $30 for the three. BTW the 92 9mm and the 96 .40 mags are interchangeable and a 15 round 92 mag will hold eleven .40 rounds.....

I know that some people love the 92/96 series and that others hate them with a passion. I have other high cap DA 9mm's in the safe. Like a Sig P226 and a CZ 85 Combat. If ever I needed to carry a high cap 9mm I would go with one of the 92FS's. Got lots of mags and to date neither one of them has ever had a failure of any kind. And that includes the 96 as well. Beretta hit a grand slam with this design IMHO.

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I don't understand the bite. I've been using 92fs pistols for two decades and have never been bitten. After viewing the pics I can see how one can be bit and they deserve it. Covering the ejection port on an auto pistol is bad practice, especially when clearing a loaded round. Stop it.
And TADA! no more bite.
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Old November 22, 2014, 18:49   #6
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"For whatever reason, Beretta has the notion that screw slots for grip-panel screws should be only slightly wider than a human hair."

Don't EVEN get me started on this shit. Huge screws with hair slots, tiny, itsy bitsy ones with gaping canyons of mill plowing.

Bolt heads OVER an inch in diameter that resolve to sixteenths!

Goddam, I'd love to be the bitchslapper general in a few engineering shops.
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Careless noobs.

At least I haven't actually shot myself since 1971.

I did slam the bolt of my Garand on my trigger finger right before a recent match though.

People often find riding in the car with me frightening too.
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People often find riding in the car with me frightening too.
Had a couple try to frighten me. They were unaware I am insane.

When they kept speeding up, looking at me from the corner of my eye, I'd panic for them.

Stomp my left foot on top of their right, holding the gas pedal to the floor in a paroxysm of blind panic. I'd scream, foretelling our death which they suddenly started to believe in. They had to fight, and mean it.

Word got around.
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Bitch of a trigger...

Spend 50 bucks more and get yourself a Glock. Spend 50 bucks more on ammo (which you would do wit a 92s anyway) and shoot it in...

10 times the weapon.

Popcorn.
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I asked my uncle, who always has a large number of pistols and knows more about them than anyone I know, about these. He often caries an M9. He didn't think they were that bad of a deal but not a great one. He pointed out all of the stuff you did like the tiny sights. He cautioned that if I bought it I'd never find anyone to buy it. He called it the world's greatest sock drawer gun though.
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Bitch of a trigger...

Spend 50 bucks more and get yourself a Glock. Spend 50 bucks more on ammo (which you would do wit a 92s anyway) and shoot it in...

10 times the weapon.

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+1 on this. A Glock is definitely worth the extra money.
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+1 on this. A Glock is definitely worth the extra money.
You know what they say about opinions.
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Old November 22, 2014, 21:50   #13
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Just shot my 92fs again last night....helluva gun...16 rounds , super reliable eats everything I have ever put through it...it's a big gun for sure but I got decent size paws. Real accurate when I do my part. I'm a 45.guy but would not have a problem carrying this gun. 16 rounds of 147grain speer gold dots is decent medicine. Mags are cheap, holsters a plenty. ..I like it for sure...almost bought one of the italians like the one you did WEG just for a cheap fun shooter..thanks for the review.
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Bitch of a trigger...

Spend 50 bucks more and get yourself a Glock. Spend 50 bucks more on ammo (which you would do wit a 92s anyway) and shoot it in...

10 times the weapon.

Popcorn.
I already have a crate-load of Glocks.

Glocks are better guns in my mind.

But I wanted a 92.

You don't have to wear a white shirt and a tie EVERY SINGLE day.
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Thanks for the write-up.

Yes, always nice to get into a vintage arm.

I always appreciated the Star Modelo Super then I got one, shot it and now I LOVE it. It's not a carry gun, it's a take it out and enjoy it like a '69 Camaro gun.
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i had the 92 with the frame mounted thumb safety which was pretty slick, carry cocked & locked.
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Bitch of a trigger...

Spend 50 bucks more and get yourself a Glock. Spend 50 bucks more on ammo (which you would do wit a 92s anyway) and shoot it in...

10 times the weapon.

Popcorn.
I have over 2 dozen Glocks.

I had over 20 M9 mags doing nothing....
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I have always liked the Beretta 92. Down to only one right now. The guns fits my hands just right, and I can really point and hit with it, which is what counts.
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I don't understand the bite. I've been using 92fs pistols for two decades and have never been bitten. After viewing the pics I can see how one can be bit and they deserve it. Covering the ejection port on an auto pistol is bad practice, especially when clearing a loaded round. Stop it.
And TADA! no more bite.
Have owned two over the years as felt need to keep compliant with National Guard, Army Reserve or Blue helmets was important. That train of thought has softenend as realized if piggybacking their systems comes to pilfering battleground any weapons that use their ammo and mags will be available also. Just be sure to keep a 9mm, 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 for those tail end of belts, dropped stripper clip or otherwise scavanged ammo. Of the two owned and a least a dozen others fired. Never had one bite me.

Somehow always traded them off, usually for a 1911 or High Power, replaced and traded again. If see a smoking deal on another, might jump on it, but unsure if would keep for a few days or lifetime. I always liked them well enough, found them to do all of the misions in their T, O & E to minimum or better than average standards. I am still in the camp which feels the U.S. military should carry a sidearm with little more muzzle energy and bore diameter but my opinion seldom sways the procurement staff at the Pentegon.

The combined firing of two I owned along with shooting units owned by friends, military and law enforcement over the years probably has totalled up to a couple thousand rounds or so. In that amount of use have not found any real reason for complaint with platform nor distinct advantage either. I have found it to be a reliable weapon in a marginal caliber for military/police sidearm.

If purchased a military surplus or LEO surplus would swap magazine springs, recoil springs and any other questionable parts. LEO pistols you don't know if cop issued stuffed magazines to max and left that way till qualification where magazines used, gun cleaned and mags stuffed to max again. On military models was it issued a dozen times to combat troops in the different renditions of sandpit operations or to a rear echelon cook where on occasion some flour and grease bad to be wiped off. Worse yet was it issued to training base where it was drawn for range duty five days a week for decades and parts swapped as broken. I have seen Uncle Sam units that were just a little better than scrap metal due to poor treatment/over use and others that were no more used than a nightstand gun with less than a box of ammo through it in lifetime. Not buying LEO or milsurp without a hands on inspection. Such wide range of abuse they have seen inspection and then, some maintenance necessary. It would be my luck to get USMC daily fired range pistol and my buddy would get an Air Force supply sergeant issue.

Other than life its seen, the 92f or 92fs are capable pistols if 9mm is your round of choice. Some days its even my choice.
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As someone who carried a 92S as his duty weapon, I would buy a Glock before a Beretta and I hate Glocks.

The Beretta's were accurate enough but the grip was too fat for my small hands. I made it work though. When I was in, we were required to change the slides out after every 1000 or 1500 rounds of use due to parts breakage in a sister service unit's Beretta's. Ever since that time, I guess I'very been biased against the Beretta.
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The first handgun I fell in love with and finally bought when I was 21 was a 92fs. Big yes, my only complaint.
My skinny (back then) ass carried that brick concealed for years in a variety of holsters with a couple of different grip changes and we got along very well.
When I began shooting bulls eye competition, being a noob I used what I had. The 92 being more accurate than I, I still managed to win several events with it proving it's not the gun, it's the shooter.
Move up a couple of years and I became interested in USPSA/IPSC shooting. Again, being a noob, I used what I had and was intimately familiar with, the 92fs. My first few matches were with the 92, using it in pistol and 3-gun type matches.
Many years and thousands of rounds later the gun never failed me. It never failed to feed, extract, or eject, and never broke a single part and proved to me it's a viable and reliable side arm.

As I progressed in the sport I moved away from the 92, eventually selling it to acquire better equipment for the sport but my love for the pistol has never waned and to this day I wish I'd have kept it. Plan on replacing it soon.

In the last twenty-some years I've only seen one Beretta 92 type fail. It was a brand spanking new stainless Italian model we had just sold. Buyer grabbed some ammo and went straight to the indoor range. "Jammed" he said. I test fired it and confirmed failure to eject properly. Field stripped it, observed dry as a bone, oiled it for the guy and sent him back to the range. Perfect pistol, happy customer.

Just for the Glock luvers that simply have to pipe up here, in a Beretta thread (kind of like gays who think the rest of the world simply MUST give a shit what they suck), being a shop and range employee for that length of time I saw a lot of guns, wide variety. We rented Glock pistols for the range as well as a variety of others makes and models. Had two "Glock Day" events where reps/armorers would spend a day selling deeply discounted pistols, customizing (with Glock brand parts) and installing night sights. Generally a good time and very busy day.
This led to I, myself, becoming an armorer for Glock. This gave the shop someone who could order parts and do work for customers as well as keep our range pistols in working order. It also ruined me on Glock pistols because I had never up until then and have never since then repaired so many pistols of one make.
I used to keep a log of what serials I worked on and what repairs were made but after a decade and a half and six moves it's gone missing. But trust me when I say the Glock portion was thick. Everything from broken trigger springs, to chipped extractors, cracked slides, and broken locking blocks. From memory I believe I've replaced every piece of a Glock pistol but the frame at some point.
I was also an HK USP armorer. Local LE were armorers for S&W and SIG. None of these ever required as much attention and as big a stock of parts as Glock did.

I sold all of my Glock pistols and moved on. Sad, too, because the 19 was my favorite carry gun, a role now filled by an HK.
You koolaide drinkers can have your Glocks. And when you get to feeling mighty because you do, maybe think twice before you poopoo something else. Y'all's Glocks ain't as high and mighty as the media and magazine articles have led you to believe they are.
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Good deal it looks like to me. My 92FS has never bitten me. I don't really
like the mag release location on 92S but for a range gun it won't matter.
As far as the slide failures -
http://www.thegunzone.com/m9-a.html
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/defense-beretta-92/
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This to me is more important than anything in a handgun.
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Thanks for posting. I am down to 2 92's a modern version and my Air Force trials gun, a 92s-1. Its still a sweet shooter with the best trigger on a 92 I've shot.

Sorry, crappy pictures I took years ago. I need to get it out and take some better pictures..







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Careless noobs.

At least I haven't actually shot myself since 1971.

I did slam the bolt of my Garand on my trigger finger right before a recent match though.

People often find riding in the car with me frightening too.
I was screwing around checking the piston and gas tube alignment dropping the piston with the bolt cocked and realized the force of the piston will disengage the BHO the hard way. Damn near lost my fingernail.
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I assume your definition of the term pitting was rather loose when referring to the safety. That looks more like pitting caused by the meeting of the safety with concrete. Looks that way to me anyway.
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I was screwing around checking the piston and gas tube alignment dropping the piston with the bolt cocked and realized the force of the piston will disengage the BHO the hard way. Damn near lost my fingernail.
Aint that a bitch!!
There is a split second when the Piston hits the bolt face when you "might" be able to get your finger out of there.. Reality is however you don't register what has happened until you feel the pain..

As to the Beretta 92 pistols while not exactly the same the OLD TAURUS 99's and 92's where/are great handguns as well..
IIRC very little changed from the original Beretta design when the contract w/Brazil was filled and the Italians left.. I don't think that can be said today however as Taurus quality has really gone in the shitter..

My 99AF is over 30 years old and my 92 is probably about the same (not 100%certain on that because it belonged to my Pops)..
Really good pistols, the open top slide helps to make them very reliable, and they are quite accurate.
A downer (if you have small hands) is the frame/grip width as it is pretty large.
That said if your in the market for a high cap 9 megameter the $300.00 Beretta is a bargain price for a very good pistol..
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The first handgun I fell in love with and finally bought when I was 21 was a 92fs. Big yes, my only complaint.
My skinny (back then) ass carried that brick concealed for years in a variety of holsters with a couple of different grip changes and we got along very well.
When I began shooting bulls eye competition, being a noob I used what I had. The 92 being more accurate than I, I still managed to win several events with it proving it's not the gun, it's the shooter.
Move up a couple of years and I became interested in USPSA/IPSC shooting. Again, being a noob, I used what I had and was intimately familiar with, the 92fs. My first few matches were with the 92, using it in pistol and 3-gun type matches.
Many years and thousands of rounds later the gun never failed me. It never failed to feed, extract, or eject, and never broke a single part and proved to me it's a viable and reliable side arm.

As I progressed in the sport I moved away from the 92, eventually selling it to acquire better equipment for the sport but my love for the pistol has never waned and to this day I wish I'd have kept it. Plan on replacing it soon.

In the last twenty-some years I've only seen one Beretta 92 type fail. It was a brand spanking new stainless Italian model we had just sold. Buyer grabbed some ammo and went straight to the indoor range. "Jammed" he said. I test fired it and confirmed failure to eject properly. Field stripped it, observed dry as a bone, oiled it for the guy and sent him back to the range. Perfect pistol, happy customer.

Just for the Glock luvers that simply have to pipe up here, in a Beretta thread (kind of like gays who think the rest of the world simply MUST give a shit what they suck), being a shop and range employee for that length of time I saw a lot of guns, wide variety. We rented Glock pistols for the range as well as a variety of others makes and models. Had two "Glock Day" events where reps/armorers would spend a day selling deeply discounted pistols, customizing (with Glock brand parts) and installing night sights. Generally a good time and very busy day.
This led to I, myself, becoming an armorer for Glock. This gave the shop someone who could order parts and do work for customers as well as keep our range pistols in working order. It also ruined me on Glock pistols because I had never up until then and have never since then repaired so many pistols of one make.
I used to keep a log of what serials I worked on and what repairs were made but after a decade and a half and six moves it's gone missing. But trust me when I say the Glock portion was thick. Everything from broken trigger springs, to chipped extractors, cracked slides, and broken locking blocks. From memory I believe I've replaced every piece of a Glock pistol but the frame at some point.
I was also an HK USP armorer. Local LE were armorers for S&W and SIG. None of these ever required as much attention and as big a stock of parts as Glock did.

I sold all of my Glock pistols and moved on. Sad, too, because the 19 was my favorite carry gun, a role now filled by an HK.
You koolaide drinkers can have your Glocks. And when you get to feeling mighty because you do, maybe think twice before you poopoo something else. Y'all's Glocks ain't as high and mighty as the media and magazine articles have led you to believe they are.
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You apparently did not catch my sarcasm. I am not a Glock Kool-aid drinker. I hate Glocks almost as much as I hated the Beretta I had to carry when I was in the service. Read my first sentence again.

What I was saying is that I would buy a pistol I hated (Glock) before I would buy a Beretta. In reality, I would buy neither.

Look up my recent posts on the "What have you done to your Glock" thread and you will see that I sold all my Glocks back in the mid 1990's. The grip angle just didn't work for me. I prefer pistols that allow me to shoot accurately and naturally. Muscle memory and sight alignment did not come to me naturally with the Glock or the Beretta. I had to work on it thus I was slower with the Glock and Beretta versus my 1911 or Browning Hi-Power.

My major beef with the Beretta was that it was too fat, and the second beef was the longevity of the slide issue.

Imagine going to a shooting course and you have to bring 2 additional slides per pistol just to finish the course. We didn't have an option; we were required to replace the slides after we fired the prescribed amounts of 9mm.

The slide issue might have been fixed but I still wouldn't buy one if I wanted another 9mm. That is why I bought an HK P30S.

Thanks for the laugh though thinking I was a Glock lover.
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Wasn't the slide cracking issue due to the military using an overly powerful 9mm load? Thought I read that somewhere. I'm kind of curious since my other half got a chance to handle a new 92 and thinks that's the 9 she wants.
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raexcct2, my post wasn't directed at any one individual and I didn't get that you were a fan of Glock from your post at all.
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raexcct2, my post wasn't directed at any one individual and I didn't get that you were a fan of them from your post at all.
OK. It gave me a good laugh though.

The funny part is that I like the Walther P38's which the Beretta took a lot of their design cues from. I almost bought a 1951 Beretta back in the '80's since it was only an 8 shot and the grip width wasn't as wide as an M9.

A good read for the M9 story is onhttp://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/true_story_m9.htm

The Beretta's a good pistol and I've had many a chance to buy one especially with 20 round magazines but that wide grip still gives me fits with my small hands.

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OK. It gave me a good laugh though.

The funny part is that I like the Walther P38's which the Beretta took a lot of their design cues from. I almost bought a 1951 Beretta back in the '80's since it was only an 8 shot and the grip width wasn't as wide as an M9.

A good read for the M9 story is onhttp://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/true_story_m9.htm

The Beretta's a good pistol and I've had many a chance to buy one especially with 20 round magazines but that wide grip still gives me fits with my small hands.
I have big old meat grabbers so the Beretta is very comfortable. Consequently, my nine inch hand span can be crowded up on a Glock. Though I loved the 19 for carry, a couple of mags would leave the web of my hand raw and bloody if I wasn't very careful as to how I held the pistol. The bottom of the slide would rub across the web of my hand during recoil.

I also own a P38, something that hasn't seen range time is most likely 20 years. I should address that.
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I sold my last P38, a PIV, last year also to pay for daughter's college tuition. I miss that pistol as it was slim and fit my hand like a glove. Still getting used to the HK P30S. The main problem is the transition from double to single action. I might just send it off for a trigger job as this will most likely turn into my daily CCW.
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I assume your definition of the term pitting was rather loose when referring to the safety. That looks more like pitting caused by the meeting of the safety with concrete. Looks that way to me anyway.
No, because the radius of the metal is in no way deformed in the way that would have resulted from an impact. Further, the area with the worst pitting is in an area that would have been shielded from such impact. I've seen what blued guns look like that have been left with blood to dry on them. Blood is one of the saltiest, and most adhesive liquids there is.

We can speculate about how the blood got on that area, but the simplest conclusion is that somebody jacked up their hand while they were handling the gun, and then put it away with the blood still on it.

I've got an AK top cover that looks like it got "put away" with a real good splash of blood.

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I should pick one up now that they are cheap.....I love my 92G....I should get a real beater to use.
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Finally got the opportunity to shoot a 92S just two months ago. I liked it. I got the impression there was not a mongo chunk of slide racking back and forth affecting my aim. Pleasant to shoot and hit with accurately.

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Can you alter regular 92 mags to work with the 92s by cutting a new mag catch hole?
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Can you alter regular 92 mags to work with the 92s by cutting a new mag catch hole?
Yes you can. I have done it.

It can either be done neatly with a mill cut slot or not-so-neatly with a dremel cut of wheel or file and a drill bit.

USGI mags are not cut for the heel, but are sometimes available for dirt cheap and you can mod them. Some will say not worth the effort as many factory mags for beretta around are cut for both.
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I sold my last P38, a PIV, last year also to pay for daughter's college tuition. I miss that pistol as it was slim and fit my hand like a glove. Still getting used to the HK P30S. The main problem is the transition from double to single action. I might just send it off for a trigger job as this will most likely turn into my daily CCW.
Try the VP 9 it's possibly the best polymer full size carry gun out there now. I've ran S&W,CZ, Glock, and Walther and the VP 9 beats them all.And I never thought i would like anything HK put out.
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I'm all for buying solid guns on the cheap, if that is what you want. But I have a 92FS just sitting around now because the grip is too big for my fat hands. I also still have my first "wondernine" one of the old Taurus 92 pistols that had the "cocked and locked" safety. I would greatly prefer one of these Taurus pistols over a heel catch Beretta.
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Try the VP 9 it's possibly the best polymer full size carry gun out there now. I've ran S&W,CZ, Glock, and Walther and the VP 9 beats them all.And I never thought i would like anything HK put out.
The VP 9 is the reason I bought the P30S. I wanted a pistol that would fit my small hands but that also had a manual safety. VP 9 doesn't have a manual safety while the P30S does. If HK made a variant of the VP 9 with a manual safety, I would have bought it.
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This is as good a place as any to ask, I guess. What model of the 92 most closely resembles the M9 service pistol? Like a lot of us here I have developed an interest in aquiring old service weapons. There just seem to be a few different models of the 92 and they all look the same to me.
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For the money, I'm having great fun with these 92S guns.

Won't be replacing my Glock though.
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I think these 92S guns most resemble the M9.

I have yet to see an M9 in service that wasn't beat to shit worse than the current crop of surplus 92S guns.

It's all about the beat to shit look that excites me.

I found one that I call the "vinegar" gun.
Looks like Guido bumped the vinegar jar at the salad bar, and instantly removed 75% of the bluing on the slide. Otherwise, the gun appears well-kept.
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Out of a half dozen inspected, only one had a ding on the muzzle.
Ding did not extend to the inner radius of the deep crown, but there was some light rust on that inner radius. The other 5 were almost 100% free of any rust.
One had a little "peppering" on the top of the slide. Found several "wool boogers" in the mags. Looks like disassembly of mags for cleaning was rare.

I may make a "project" of the one with the muzzle issues.
Noticed that the recoil spring on that one had some rust too.
Or I may just make it my "range bitch" to see how tough she really is.
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Interesting.

The grips in the link are not "correct" for the 92S, but they may install with a mod for the heel mag release. Have not seen A 92S yet with a broken grip. Thinking the 92S grips may be tough as nails.
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I couldn’t resist the sub-$300 price on the Beretta 92S from Palmetto State Armory.

Note to left handers - I had decided to order one when I realized they didn't have an ambi safety.
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These guns do not have a "safety."

They have a non-rebounding hammer-drop lever, which gives you a first-shot trigger pull which is longer and heavier than any double-action revolver.

Carry with hammer down, and de-cock lever in FIRE position unless you want your first (attempt at a) shot to fail when the weapon is used in haste.
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