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Old November 20, 2017, 11:44   #1
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Sig 220: good and bad

got a 220 in like new condx this weekend; like it and don't. sort of a supersized P6, a single stack 45 with typical SIG styling and controls, but bigger. stronger recoil spring makes operating slide difficult and reach in double action is too long for comfort but manageable. all the advantages of SIG double action tied to the advantages of a 45. what could go wrong? the yugo 57 tokarev feels better in the hand. $400 seemed like a good deal.

anyone else like the 220? or not?
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Old November 20, 2017, 11:53   #2
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220

I picked up a very exc condition mid 2000 yrs one a few months back from a fellow filer.
My hands are prob avg size and I like the sig a lot.
I have not had chance to test it yet.
I have picked up a spare 8 rd factory mag and a pack of the 17 18 19 lb hammer springs to try.
I'll post when I mess w it some more and fire it.
I like the feel of it for a 45.
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Old November 20, 2017, 12:39   #3
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I picked up a European 220 that was abused but shoots really good. I really like Sigs and the 220 is one of the best in my opinion. I shoot lswc 200 grain bullet with 5.6 grains of 231 and it's really accurate in the Sig and feeds really well.
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Old November 20, 2017, 14:02   #4
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I keep a 220 by the bed and a 239 9mm for carry. I shoot better with the sigs than anything else.
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Old November 20, 2017, 15:51   #5
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The 220 is one of the best .45s available IMO. I haven't handled a newer one but the 1990s-vintage 220s are excellent guns
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Old November 20, 2017, 15:56   #6
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the 220 double action pull is a lot easier then the P6, i like it too and i have both
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Old November 20, 2017, 18:35   #7
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I collect them ..Did you know they made them in 9mm/38 super/9mm styer/38 luger and 22lr and of course 45 ?

That price is good

They are classic very good guns imop ..Easy to carry good controls and with a SRT trigger very very nice
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Old November 20, 2017, 20:08   #8
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In the condition you stated, $400 is a good deal. Triggers vary somewhat but are usually good.

Accuracy ought to be very good if mine is a representative sample.

MecGar magazines are essentially equivalent performers vs factory.
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Old November 20, 2017, 20:18   #9
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I love 100% German manufactured SIG-Sauers.





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Old November 20, 2017, 20:46   #10
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Sig220

enough said!

Still have mine!
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Old November 20, 2017, 21:19   #11
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I have 2: a steel frame in .45 and an old school American style magazine release in .38 Super. I enjoy both, and if you want a single column DA/SA pistol, I believe it's your best choice in those calibers.
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Old November 20, 2017, 21:36   #12
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sig 220

When I got my 2002ish one I took note of the adjustable rear sights that used to be offered on some of the elite types that came out 5 to 7 yrs ago. Sig discontinued these adj rear MMC type sights awhile back so I've spent time searching and finally sourced a sig orig #1200282R rear sight. I am now sourcing the missing 2 set screws fot it and a tiny .050 hex wrench to install and lock it on.
There have been pos amd neg thoughts on it however
mine will not be extensively shot. I just liked the looks
and it should be fine for casual use after sighted in.
I enjoy the hunt for these niches primarily anyway.
I'll try to post am email attachment for a pic for yall when it comes together in a bit
Search the Sig part # 1200282-R for a pic of this rear sight.
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Old November 20, 2017, 22:21   #13
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Had a P245 and it was the most accurate .45 ACP I've ever shot.

Stupidly traded it off and a couple year later ended up with a made in Germany P220. I am not disappointed, while it is not as accurate as my previous P245, it isn't far behind.

The grip isn't too far off a M1911, it's close and I think the E2 version is even closer.

All in all, a P series Sig has ALWAYS out shot a M!911.
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Old November 21, 2017, 00:14   #14
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I have the 220 elite in 10mm and the 245 (compact 220) in 45. love both. Shoot well and are well made.
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Old November 21, 2017, 11:48   #15
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Triggers vary somewhat but are usually good.

MecGar magazines are essentially equivalent performers vs factory.
trigger is excellent for a double action and came with 2 stainless factory magazines. i like the double action advantage for safe carry, so will consider carrying it, but really prefer the tokarev for balance and weight and profile.
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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
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Old November 21, 2017, 22:33   #16
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I don't care for them. I don't like da/sa guns to start with, don't like that big curly spring that powers the hammer drop lever (IIRC), and don't like alloy framed .45s...
That being said, I acknowledge they're well made guns and I know many knowledgeable shooters swear by them. I'd darn sure choose a 220 over a Yugo Tokarev (even though I like my commercial Zastava Tokarev). for serious carry. Interesting why those are your either or choices...
Personally, I'd choose a Ruger P 97 over a 220, and a Glock 21 or 30 over either of them.
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Old November 21, 2017, 23:33   #17
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Love my two tone Sig P220 that I bought new back in 1996. It was my transition weapon from my issued Smith and Wesson Model 66. I carried my Sig for 5 years or so before the department mandated the Glock 22 as their duty weapon and issued them to everyone.
I sincerely felt like I had the best duty weapon available at the time and that the Glock was a step down in duty carry.
I like hammer fired pistols over striker fired pistols as a duty pistol.
My P-220 is still pulling carry duty. This time as my wife's carry pistol which she totes around in her purse.
Some people might say that the single stack mag doesn't carry enough ammo as the more modern double stacked mags. I never felt that way as I went from carrying 18 rounds to 25 rounds on my duty rig. I was using 8 rounds mags and I tossed a couple of loaded mags in my gear bag as extra insurance.
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Old November 22, 2017, 08:05   #18
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I shoot mine well but it is a bit large for my hands. In a DA/SA .45 I actually prefer my even larger S&W 645..
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Old November 22, 2017, 11:13   #19
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SOG has these advertised and a while back I thought about getting one, but I just cannot accept a decocker instead of a safety, so I ended up going to CDNN for a Zenith 1911 Commander.

For those who like SIGs, it looks like SOG still has them listed:
http://www.southernohiogun.com/

For something even larger than the SIG, if you can still find one, look for a SAR ARMS K2 45. I bought one earlier this year and cannot say enough good things about it.
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The Euro SIGs are masterpieces. You couldn't give me a US-made SIG of any flavor. That said, the bore axis is too high for my liking, and they don't do a thing my Glocks won't.
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Yes. You can keep the American made models. I'll never own one.
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I wanted a DA/SA single stack .45 auto and bought a Colt Double Eagle. Big mistake and I got rid of it. Bought a Ruger P90. Another mistake so it went too. Finally bought what I should have the first time. A NIB made in 1995 triple serial German made P220 with five factory magazines.

AFAIC this is the only .45 ACP pistol that I would carry for serious social purposes. Seven rounds of Federal 230 grain Hydra-Shok plus one more in the chamber and a spare mag. It is accurate and shoots to point of aim with any of the 230 grain loads I have tried. It has an excellent trigger and I like the bar/dot sights.

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Old November 24, 2017, 22:47   #23
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i will get a 220 for my next fo-tay five. i do not understand the complaints about high bore axis on sigs. a few millimeters do not matter.
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I have found in practical matters that the "high bore axis" is one of those internet forum memes that sounds good in theory but in real terms means and counts for very little. I and others can shoot the Sig 220 as good as or better than any "low bore axis" pistol. I've heard people say the Walther PPQ has a high bore axis compared to Glock yet my PPQ will shoot a group half as wide as my Glock 17, shooting fast or slow.
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Old November 25, 2017, 20:19   #25
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I love P220's, fine guns in every way
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Old November 28, 2017, 13:30   #26
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I have found in practical matters that the "high bore axis" is one of those internet forum memes that sounds good in theory but in real terms means and counts for very little. I and others can shoot the Sig 220 as good as or better than any "low bore axis" pistol. I've heard people say the Walther PPQ has a high bore axis compared to Glock yet my PPQ will shoot a group half as wide as my Glock 17, shooting fast or slow.
It's a minor point, and, for me, affects shooting very little, but I like having the sighting plane as low as possible. My Glocks manage this in spectacular fashion, and even my Hi Power does a pretty good job.
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Old November 28, 2017, 15:33   #27
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Didn't like mine much. Too big. Don't like a de-cocker or that long/heavy double-action pull. Traded it for a PENN International two-speed reel. ;-)
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My Sig P220

This was my first .45, and I bought it in 1992. Love this weapon! Smooth trigger pull w/ 3.5 lbs break! Well built in West Germany in the mid 80's. Excellent choice. I do have the .357 Sig kit too, just for a hopped up choice! Woo Hoo!
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