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Old February 18, 2015, 19:47   #1
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M855 Petition: Where are all the gun owners?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...ition/XrvVh1cj

There are an estimated 4.5 million NRA members, 650,000 SAF members, tens of thousands of state association members. Millions of non-affiliated gun owners and 50,000 Plus falfiles members.

As of this posts time stamp, only 37,979 have signed the above petition to protest or counter the proposed ban.

The 5.45 surplus ban caught a lot of us off guard when it hit. We have been warned on this one. We need not be silent, petition, petition petition. Spread the word around, share the link. Please post other petitions if you know of one.

Gunowners should have blown this one up already.

5.45, M855, What's next on the list?
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Old February 18, 2015, 19:52   #2
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Old February 18, 2015, 20:16   #3
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Old February 18, 2015, 20:17   #4
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I guess so W.E.G......surely there are 70K or so who aren't

Thanks Flypaper, please spread the word.

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Old February 18, 2015, 20:34   #5
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You should make this link a sticky in our time of need.

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Old February 18, 2015, 21:30   #7
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Old February 18, 2015, 21:39   #8
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It might be odd, or wrong but I do think that some people just don't want to get 'on a list'. Sometimes you just have to man up, or I guess shut up.
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Old February 18, 2015, 21:43   #9
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I was #38762,,when signed.
We're half way,,at least ,,hope it helps.
ATF needs to go like DCM,,I mean OCM,,oh wait its CMP now.
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Old February 18, 2015, 21:46   #10
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Get on a list?

You are already on it.

A life lived in fear is a life half lived. We have to whack these fruity government mandates that get handed down in the head otherwise years down the road you will not have to worry about your guns, ammo and all your stuff, because it will be contraband or gone anyways.

Our system of government is not above us, it is us. We elected the representatives to represent us and for better or worse they spend our dollars, create bureaucracies and staff those bureaucracies with citizens. We must participate and make our voices heard, otherwise we lose.
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Old February 18, 2015, 22:16   #12
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As well as forwarded to others.
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ooooh,,,an on-line petition,,,I'm sure that will scare those snide, arrogant, malicious bureaucrats into submission...

Either write or call your cogress person,,,,or placate yourself w/ a petition that can be deleted w/ the push of a button...boo (!)
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Old February 19, 2015, 00:37   #14
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Get on a list?

You are already on it.

A life lived in fear is a life half lived. We have to whack these fruity government mandates that get handed down in the head otherwise years down the road you will not have to worry about your guns, ammo and all your stuff, because it will be contraband or gone anyways.

Our system of government is not above us, it is us. We elected the representatives to represent us and for better or worse they spend our dollars, create bureaucracies and staff those bureaucracies with citizens. We must participate and make our voices heard, otherwise we lose.
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Old February 19, 2015, 01:14   #15
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Old February 19, 2015, 01:36   #16
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...ition/XrvVh1cj

There are an estimated 4.5 million NRA members, 650,000 SAF members, tens of thousands of state association members. Millions of non-affiliated gun owners and 50,000 Plus falfiles members.

As of this posts time stamp, only 37,979 have signed the above petition to protest or counter the proposed ban.

The 5.45 surplus ban caught a lot of us off guard when it hit. We have been warned on this one. We need not be silent, petition, petition petition. Spread the word around, share the link. Please post other petitions if you know of one.

Gunowners should have blown this one up already.

5.45, M855, What's next on the list?
Sorry to say but a Billion petitions will not do the job or make any difference, hope I'm wrong, we shall see.
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Old February 19, 2015, 04:20   #17
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even though I really do not believe these petitions do much.

it is writing my reps that has more of an effect. Which I did.

Of course, I never liked that green tipped crap in the first place, and only have 55 and 75 grain pills in my 5.56 ammo.. NO bullets are evil and there has not been one case of a cop getting killed by one for the reason they state.

I think this M855 issue is our LINE IN THE SAND

NO MORE BACKDOOR GUN BANS.
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Old February 19, 2015, 12:55   #18
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Old February 19, 2015, 14:32   #19
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Old February 20, 2015, 11:02   #21
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Old February 20, 2015, 12:17   #22
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Signed earlier this morning. Petition is now at 43,723.
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Old February 22, 2015, 19:06   #23
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Old February 22, 2015, 19:37   #24
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As of this date/time stamp, 47,457 signatures. Thanks all and to WEG for the sticky.

Really we need hundreds of thousands if not millions of signatures to get the point across. The petition is steady but slow, there is about 3 more weeks remaining. Get everyone you know to call their reps, senators and BATFE.

I had a few acquaintances locally that refused to do anything even though they totally disagreed with any bans. We as law abiding gun owners have to overcome this mentality and get involved at some point.

Again, thanks to all you are getting the info out. Keep it up.
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Old February 22, 2015, 19:41   #25
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Sorry to say but a Billion petitions will not do the job or make any difference, hope I'm wrong, we shall see.
Did you take any action?
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Old February 22, 2015, 19:44   #26
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ooooh,,,an on-line petition,,,I'm sure that will scare those snide, arrogant, malicious bureaucrats into submission...

Either write or call your cogress person,,,,or placate yourself w/ a petition that can be deleted w/ the push of a button...boo (!)
This is in addition to writing you reps and senators. You can save and print the pages if you are concerned about it being deleted. Point is to get involved at some level. Sadly, I have run into several that are just ok with it, they will complain about prices but won't do anything about it.
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Old February 28, 2015, 09:54   #27
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We are screwed NRA and Fudds dont care. "Touch my 30.06 and .30-.30 and there will be words" are their answers.

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We are screwed NRA and Fudds dont care.

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You would be wrong.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...osed-ammo-ban/

http://bearingarms.com/confirmed-nra...mmunition-ban/
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Old February 28, 2015, 11:45   #29
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61,102 Signatures and it stopped moving yesterday (Friday Feb 27), either eveyone suddenly stopped signing or something is wrong with the website.

NRA-ILA has a good blanket letter to everyone involved and so does the national shooting sports foundation, a google search will pull them up. I also noticed several congress critters are getting involved so their is movement.
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Old February 28, 2015, 11:52   #31
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Old March 01, 2015, 10:47   #32
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Rep. Tom Rooney (R from Florida) has introduced a bill to stop the ban in the house. Progress, keep pushing.

The petition is frozen at 61,102. Other petitions are frozen as well, conspiracies theories abound. If anyone has a different count, please post it. It has been seized up since Friday as have some other petitions.
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Old March 01, 2015, 10:57   #33
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Now for the spam to start.
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Old March 01, 2015, 11:32   #34
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Thanks! You should not get any spam if you clicked the no email box. I've never gotten any.

What number were you on the petition? The website still says 61,102 (that number is from Friday).

http://www.naturalnews.com/048806_va...use_fraud.html

News conspiracy on why the petition is not updating, not sure how great this source is but the count is definately stuck for the ammo petition.
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Ok, 70,375 signatures now, looks like the counter is back up, was down for about 72 hours or more.

Over 130 reps have signed off on stopping the ban, some talk of pushing back other bans on ammo (7N6 specifically mentioned in an article or two) if successful.

Keep spreading the word. I still have few more I'm working on locally (gun owners move like pond water sometimes).
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Old March 04, 2015, 23:19   #36
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77,535 Signatures with 11 days to go. Should get there but it should not be this close, it should be millions. Please pass it around.

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I signed it, but think the whole petition process is just a silly sham to make people feel like they've participated.

It's not like the politicians don't know how we feel about this. They know it's wrong. But, they're going to do it anyway.
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I signed it too, but about all it will do is insure everyone winds up on some list. I gurantee you that the ATF does not give a shit about the will of the public, and politicians won't do anything meaningful either, since they don't have to be accountable for some bureaucrat's actions. Accountability is the name of the game here, and it's why congress was supposed to vote for shit like this. Now they don't have too and can still talk out of both sides of their mouths. Best of both worlds for them.
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I signed it too, but about all it will do is insure everyone winds up on some list. I gurantee you that the ATF does not give a shit about the will of the public, and politicians won't do anything meaningful either, since they don't have to be accountable for some bureaucrat's actions. Accountability is the name of the game here, and it's why congress was supposed to vote for shit like this. Now they don't have too and can still talk out of both sides of their mouths. Best of both worlds for them.
Thanks for signing.

We are already on a list somewhere, the petition should be overwhelmed, hard to track down a list of millions. There are 237 Reps that have signed off on stopping this action so there is movement unlike the 7N6 ban last year.

I don't think politicians have heard gun owners because so few are active in the process. If gun owners say nothing (only complain on gun boards) then we will accept any and all regulations that besiege us.

Step one is to petition our elected representatives, if gun owners would come together (tens of millions on one accord) things will happen. If the petition fails with that many participating then there is truly an effort of deceit. See link below and get as many people involved as possible. It is not over unless we become silent on the issue.

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How typical of this Administration

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EXCLUSIVE: Common AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition Already Banned in New ATF Regulation Guide
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A review of the timeline:

January 2015:
ATF published a new, 2015 OMB approved Regulation Guide stripping AR-15 "green-tip" from its armor piercing exemption list.

February 2015:
ATF proposes a ban (which they've already put in place through their handbook published in January) on AR-15 "green-tip" ammunition and opens up a comment period.

March 16, 2015:
The public comment period about the proposed/already implemented ban on AR-15 "green-tip" ammunition closes, ATF ignores tens-of-thousands of comments because they were never going to consider them in the first place, and continues with the regulations outlined in the new 2015 Regulation Guide. (Which was written in 2014)

ATF changed the law unilaterally, didn't tell anyone about it and has now put up a bogus comment period that means nothing. Because of these actions, ATF and the White House have not only failed to follow the Administrative Procedure Act, but has gone around Congress to violate the Second Amendment rights of Americans.

So, what' next? ATF is going to have to explain why the change was made under the radar and will also have to explain what this means for people in possession of "green-tip" ammunition after January 2015 when the new ATF Regulation Guide was published with the exemption missing. Is there no grandfathering period for possession? When will manufactures be forced to stop producing? What does this mean for buyers and sellers? States are also going to have to find a way to implement these regulations and define compliance under separate state ammunition possession laws.
I'm so not amused with BATFE and Obama's screw up minions.
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I'm so not amused with BATFE and Obama's screw up minions.
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Oh, Good for you.
C'mon, no crapping on the parade route. We all have our personal opinions. This is about getting as many gun owners as possible to get involved at any and all levels, nothing less. Converted a avid hunter (bolt gun only guy) today but we need more.

80,822 Signatures so far, need 100,000 by 16 March.

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About the same as the percentage that join the NRA.

Figure 2.8% of firearms owners join the NRA. Probably about the same percentage of M855 users will sign the petition.
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I signed, but I think anyone who believes it will even be looked at are delusional.

The weeping and gnashing of teeth means less than nothing to the government anymore. Whether a petition or the ballot box. Hurts to say it, but it's true.
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I signed, but I think anyone who believes it will even be looked at are delusional.

The weeping and gnashing of teeth means less than nothing to the government anymore. Whether a petition or the ballot box. Hurts to say it, but it's true.
Why does'nt the govenment care about gun owners? Is it because gun owners don't care enough? Is it because we are delusional to think we can make a difference? A gun owner took the time to write and start the petition, we need to support it as much as possible.

Thank you for signing. It is a process, the petition is a way to show enough people are interested in stopping the ban on the administrations own website, just think if it was millions but we will be lucky to get 100,000.

Calling/emailing your state reps and senators is the most important. See link below, they (BATFE) are "crawfishing" with just 2% fussing. If anything, this whole incident proves further deceit.

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Can't hurt much to sign the petition - just by virtue of being on this site I would assume most of us are on at least one "naughty" list of the evil doers.

Might as well auto-annoy the congressional critters and the BATF too - http://savem855.com/Default.aspx makes sending out form or modified faxes super duper easy - just fill in fields and click send.

Plus, a few calls or letters. All low-level easy stuff. May not help but won't hurt. Makes it a bit tougher for the BATF when they get 10K or so faxed comment letters, with another K or so per day just from this site - http://savem855.com/AfterActionReport.aspx
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Can't hurt much to sign the petition - just by virtue of being on this site I would assume most of us are on at least one "naughty" list of the evil doers.

Might as well auto-annoy the congressional critters and the BATF too - http://savem855.com/Default.aspx makes sending out form or modified faxes super duper easy - just fill in fields and click send.

Plus, a few calls or letters. All low-level easy stuff. May not help but won't hurt. Makes it a bit tougher for the BATF when they get 10K or so faxed comment letters, with another K or so per day just from this site - http://savem855.com/AfterActionReport.aspx
Agreed and thank you for posting the M855 links I was just about to as well. The White House one is only important because it will look bad on gun owners if we do not reach the 100,000 mark, that is all. Right now we are at 84,477 with about 7 days left. We may not make it, again, it just looks bad.

Keep sending those emails, letters and faxes, it is not a waste of time.

Another thing I am running into is the fear of being placed on a list if you sign a petition. If you file taxes, have a smart phone, are a vet or military, LE, bought a firearm, purchased large quanities of ammo or powder, have a CCW/CCP , NFA or post here or anywhere else, you are already on a list.

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Agreed and thank you for posting the M855 links I was just about to as well. The White House one is only important because it will look bad on gun owners if we do not reach the 100,000 mark, that is all. Right now we are at 84,477 with about 7 days left. We may not make it, again, it just looks bad.

Keep sending those emails, letters and faxes, it is not a waste of time.

Another thing I am running into is the fear of being placed on a list if you sign a petition. If you file taxes, have a smart phone, are a vet or military, LE, bought a firearm, purchased large quanities of ammo or powder, have a CCW/CCP , NFA or post here or anywhere else, you are already on a list.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...ition/XrvVh1cj
Sheeple are afraid, MEN are Not afraid of a list , Dieing,.GOV., or much else.

Will be interesting to see if the petition makes it, I signed for ??

Billy, I am a friend, not a foe, but if I had one round of ammo for each time I wrote the .GOV. folks, I would never worry for ammo again.
If the ONE round were put in my basket for each success I would have Three rounds. The ratio is POOR.
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Thanks and I know what you mean. I still believe that if most gun owners kept in touch with their reps we would not be in the position we are in , always defensive and reactionary. For every one of us contacting and calling, there are supposedly thousands who do not.

I actually had one senator reply and acknowledge the "sporting clause issue" in the GCA and how I (we) believe it is abused and used for infringement not to mention that sport was not part of the 2nd Amendment anyway. If millions asked and demanded the same thing, I believe it could be done but it will take everyones involvement which seems very difficult.

There are an estimated 5+ million AR owners, 4-5 million NRA members, mayabe 2-600,000 in all the others. Only 84,914 petition signers and about 34,000 faxes to reps and senators that are known, I am sure there are a lot of emails/faxes that are not counted but still it does not represent the number of gun owners. Sad reality, hopefully those that participate will be enough to stop it.

Our founders trusted the people with the most advanced arms at the time of the writing of the Constitution. These days, gun owners have to petition for bullets.
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