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Old January 17, 2014, 19:50   #1
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Who do you think is coming for our GUNS

I often here people say " they'll have to take my gun out of my dead hands" or " I'll kill the SOB that tries to take my gun". I think it will come down to the GOV telling us to turn them in voluntarily at first and then send our local PD and Marshals to get the hold outs. Can you at that point take on a force that shows up unannounced at your door step?? I think that it would be hard to shoot a fellow American, he's just doing his job much like the rest of us. Personally the only way in my humble opinion to stop it is by banding together and not turning in our guns. Curious to hear what others think, thanks
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Old January 17, 2014, 19:51   #2
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Old January 17, 2014, 20:46   #3
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Old January 17, 2014, 21:34   #4
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The way it really works is they force you to first register them and then they just collect them.

Unass yourself from any state which compels you to register them. BTW, taking on anyone LE is a great way to prematurely meet your maker. Not an option.
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Old January 17, 2014, 22:02   #6
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Chances are you won't have to worry about shooting another American. Most likely they will use the UN troops for confiscation. However if a traitor meaning cops or military get involved like during Catarina then they deserve to die, along with the other nazis.
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Old January 17, 2014, 22:03   #7
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Most likely they will use the UN troops for confiscation.
Nope, they'll have American flags on their upper sleeve.
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Old January 17, 2014, 22:11   #8
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Nobody is coming to get my guns because I don't own any. I'm not a real gun owner but I play one on the internet.
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Old January 18, 2014, 00:12   #9
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I'm no lawyer, but have watched a lot of TV. I think it will be your local LE and/or the Feds. They will have court orders, search warrants, subpoenas.... At that point, the law is on their side. You better give up. Better yet, do something now. Don't let it happen.

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Old January 18, 2014, 01:44   #10
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Gun Confiscation REALLY?

The Supreme court has already upheld the Second amendment last year when Obimbo tried it and lost BIG time. Every LEO I know from City, County, State and even the Feds said HELL NO, They wouldn't even attempt it as they know it would start an outbreak of a Second Civil war and have already stated that they would just simply go home and get ready to defend their own homes. Even the LEO's wouldn't be exempt from any firearms confiscation of their personal weapons.

Even the UN knows that their are over 200 million weapons in this country according to BATFE and like the Japanese knew during WWII that if they tried to invade the USA that their was an american that was armed behind every blade of Grass in this country and back then their was only about 75 million people in this country. Now we have four times that population if not more and even the Illegals most likely have weapons.

Slowly the NRA is attacking states that have bans on weapons and have won a magor decision on Chicago about thier gun and gunshop bans and most likely won't appeal if they know what's good for them, Next will be New York and then Califorinia.

Another thing, Their are currently 48 million americans that are US Military Veterans in this country and if anybody even tried to confiscate weapons you would see them come out of the wood work to defend the US Constitution, That is 1/6 of the US population, Even the ones that are Korean, Vietnam Vets that are in Nursing homes would come out and fight.

I seen on the news the other day that 36 Democrats have turned against Obimbo on some of the stuff he is trying to pull with his so-called PEN and executive orders and will be fought in the federal courts as allot of politicians have lost total confidence in the(make your point with out the racist stuff-MM the moderator who resigned a month ago) moron. This Moron has been on vacation more than he's been in the White house, Or is it the Black house now? Their isn't a world leader that has ANY respect fo him at all. I'm just waiting for Congress to Defund Obimbo care as the young people would rather pay the fine instead of getting jacked up by any Health care insurance company who Obimbo is now in bed with.
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Old January 18, 2014, 08:41   #11
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Lee, a nice synopsis of what is currently some of the major issues in our country. However the Administration is more clever than to consider a frontal assault on gun owners as they will continue their divide and conquer tactics, city by city, state by state, cornering the market and controlling imports on ammunition, providing more free food (stamps) and even 100% subsidies if necessary on Obamacare for starters.

Appeasement is the real assault and they have a plan.
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Old January 18, 2014, 10:08   #12
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GET INVOLVED locally and nationally.

Yesterday we helped kill 6 major gun-control bills in Virginia and moved along 8 pro-gun bills in the Virginia House (no anti-gun bills made it out of committee). We have a super majority of pro-gun legislators so it will be interesting what our anti-gun governor will do.
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Old January 18, 2014, 11:34   #13
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The EPA will lead the way... A combination of regulations, fees, fines, taxes, paperwork, registration, inspections, etc. will make gun ownership so expensive and intrusive that gun owners will gladly hand over their guns.

The threat of Financial ruin and bankruptcy due to legal battles are much more effective than sending authorities to your door.

Remember, it's the lawmakers we all keep voting for that have been eroding our freedoms with tremendous success.
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Old January 18, 2014, 12:04   #14
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This thread reminds me of lyrics from The Clash song "Guns of Brixton"

When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
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Old January 18, 2014, 12:06   #15
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The EPA will lead the way... A combination of regulations, fees, fines, taxes, paperwork, registration, inspections, etc. will make gun ownership so expensive and intrusive that gun owners will gladly hand over their guns.
The EPA is going to make lead expensive. They are shutting down the smelters in the US and are forcing all lead smelting overseas.
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Old January 18, 2014, 12:36   #16
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Lead Vs Plastic

Theirs been some news about the smelters, But most of the current lead for munitions companies comes from recycled automotive batteries and such, But yes it will cause the ammo companies to raise thier prices in the USA and impose new taxes on the import of munitions and such. I'd say the ammo companies should go with a super hard Plastic instead of Lead, Plastic is a by product of Petroleum based chemicals so it shouldn't be to hard to reconfigure the plastic for the ammo companies.
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Old January 18, 2014, 14:37   #17
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Ask the Aussie's & Brit's. They never thought it could happen to them either but guess what, and yes, I know they never had a second amendment but in the end that wont matter.
If we don’t deserver to be free ….we won’t be. Elections have consequences people. Right down to your local school board.
Hell with what is being taught to our young people today, (They) won’t have to come and take them.
They’ll all be turned in willfully….evil things that they are (Guns). Don’t for a moment think it can’t happen…it already IS! Kids kicked out for making a finger gun….or a pop tart gun….or a gun on a t-shirt…need I go on? Remember ...they only need 51% to think like they want them to.


Guys.....the Obama phone people are kickin our asses.....we either wake the hell up as a people....or we lose. It's that frickin simple.

Most people I know are just to busy to even pay attention anymore....or just wore down from fighting this for soo damn long......sad.

I get it....been there too. But I always try....even if it's just keeping up to speed on current events....or helping fund say the NRA or Second Amendment Foundation....or Faith based groups....anything to keep in the fight.
The opposition will never quit, so neither can we.
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Old January 18, 2014, 14:43   #18
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Who do you think is coming for our GUNS?

It will be the US federal government behind it. You can bet on that.

The real question is what thugs they will use to try to do it.

If American....DHS. Our very own gestapo. They'll want local police backing them up of course. But I believe most police will be at home protecting their own.

Our own NCO's and officers in the services will revolt.

I can see a scenario where the UN comes in. If so....Then it's no holds barred!

Every good American will have a collection of light blue helmets with 30 to 50cal/shrapnel holes in them..... And every country that sends their young men to do this will have a large collection of full bodybags to deal with.

Like the Vietnamese.....We don't have to win the battles. We just have to send enough of their own boys home in bloody pieces to win the war.
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Old January 18, 2014, 14:49   #19
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The way it really works is they force you to first register them and then they just collect them.

Unass yourself from any state which compels you to register them. BTW, taking on anyone LE is a great way to prematurely meet your maker. Not an option.
Taking on LE like when citizens met British "LE" who were coming to take away weapons 19 April 1775? Although the citizens were outnumbered they stopped the "LE" and turned them at Concord.

IMHO they are not LE if they are acting outside of the law. Then they are just criminals.

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I can see a scenario where the UN comes in. If so....Then it's no holds barred!
Which UN Force will dare to come over? It's not gonna happen.
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I often here people say " they'll have to take my gun out of my dead hands" or " I'll kill the SOB that tries to take my gun". I think it will come down to the GOV telling us to turn them in voluntarily at first and then send our local PD and Marshals to get the hold outs.

Can you at that point take on a force that shows up unannounced at your door step??

I think that it would be hard to shoot a fellow American, he's just doing his job much like the rest of us.

Personally the only way in my humble opinion to stop it is by banding together and not turning in our guns. Curious to hear what others think, thanks
1) Once this policy starts, you always have the option to show up at THEIR doorstep unannounced.

2) Do you really, seriously, consider someone who would strip you of your constitutionally guaranteed natural rights to be a fellow American?
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I often here people say " they'll have to take my gun out of my dead hands" or " I'll kill the SOB that tries to take my gun". I think it will come down to the GOV telling us to turn them in voluntarily at first and then send our local PD and Marshals to get the hold outs. Can you at that point take on a force that shows up unannounced at your door step?? I think that it would be hard to shoot a fellow American, he's just doing his job much like the rest of us. Personally the only way in my humble opinion to stop it is by banding together and not turning in our guns. Curious to hear what others think, thanks
He also would shot you if you refuse to give it to him......
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"he's just doing his job much like the rest of us."

Isn't that the same excuse the guards in the Nazi concentration camps used at Nuremberg?

"I'm sorry I killed your family.....I was just doing my job."

No excuse. Even if they didn't take an oath....It doesn't matter. They are war criminals and in time will be dealt with as such. If they live long enough.
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If we give up our guns. Then we are dead anyway. Just slower and more painfully.........

Ain't giving them up for anybody. Do ya hear me?
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"If we had as many misconceptions about the FN FAL as we do about the constitution. The body count from accidents would be much, much higher around here."
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Pistolwiz, theirs a big difference between killing millions of Jews and taking millions of guns. If the LE comes for them its because its know the law. Falonious is right, we need to vote because once the tide changes its hard to reverse the course, I know I live in Cali. It would be different if the second amendment was still in place. Look at the differences between your state and Cali we both have the same second amendment right???

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Ask the Aussie's & Brit's. They never thought it could happen to them either but guess what, and yes, I know they never had a second amendment but in the end that wont matter.
If we don’t deserver to be free ….we won’t be. Elections have consequences people. Right down to your local school board.
Hell with what is being taught to our young people today, (They) won’t have to come and take them.
They’ll all be turned in willfully….evil things that they are (Guns). Don’t for a moment think it can’t happen…it already IS! Kids kicked out for making a finger gun….or a pop tart gun….or a gun on a t-shirt…need I go on? Remember ...they only need 51% to think like they want them to.


Guys.....the Obama phone people are kickin our asses.....we either wake the hell up as a people....or we lose. It's that frickin simple.

Most people I know are just to busy to even pay attention anymore....or just wore down from fighting this for soo damn long......sad.

I get it....been there too. But I always try....even if it's just keeping up to speed on current events....or helping fund say the NRA or Second Amendment Foundation....or Faith based groups....anything to keep in the fight.
The opposition will never quit, so neither can we.


As long as the lefties have young people, gays and illegal immigrants in their corner they'll keep winning elections too.

I just noticed your sig line FALonious I wonder what they would do with our unbuilt kits ,would they let us keep them or give them to the Chinese for scrap to pay down the debt and then they can turn them into high quality goods for us?

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the only thing you need to know in regard to this issue is that whoever it is that shows up at your door and points a gun at you demanding that you give them yours, they have already decided that they are willing to kill you for it. the only thing you need to do is to decide whether you are willing to return the favor, proactively.
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People don't seem to know that nazis did not institute gun control. The Allies did that in Germany after WWI. The limit was 20 yrs old, but the NAZI party lowered it to 18 when they gained power. And they hated communists, so they would have hated this administration. Communism was their #1 enemy.
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Would the LE be in the wrong if they were just following the law. We make up the laws by voting. Nobody is just going to take it upon themselves to come and take our guns. Some of you are much braver than I am. If LE showed up at my door holding their weapons I don't think I would give them a reason to waste my life. I believe in fighting but I would like to have a chance and not get shot running to the safe!, unless you carry when you go to the door.
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"Just following orders"? How many people have died because of that mentality? When 'they' come to strip you of your rights and freedoms it will not be by a fellow American. They will be toady servants to your new 'president for life'. The current "war on drugs'' and "war on terrorism" is really a war on the American people. Your government is waging war in far off lands. Learn from those 'enemies' as the methods of their fighting may well be needed to continue your 'war for freedom'. Anything less would be a disgrace to those who fought the revolutionary war and to those who dreamt of a new country free of tyranny.
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Katrina: police were confiscating arms without Constitutional authority weren't they? And from individuals in their own homes, tackling an old woman across her kitchen for explaining her reason for staying in her home.

Also, officers are just people. People are corrupt in all classes. Some of us have probably witnessed police officers lying in order to make a stop, arrest or any action they took to be justified. They aren't immune. I used to work at night driving from restaurant to restaurant after they closed and got stopped several times. Sometimes the officer would lie as a reason to stop me. "You ran that red light." No, he was just gambling that I was a drunk driver/drugged driver because of being out at 3 am.
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Exactly ... those who think UN troops are going to police the US of A have never worked with UN troops. Of course that could change, but not in out lifetime.

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Katrina: police were confiscating arms without Constitutional authority weren't they? And from individuals in their own homes, tackling an old woman across her kitchen for explaining her reason for staying in her home.
They confiscated by ignorance, NOT by "Constitutional Authority" which many courts have ruled on. Unfortunately after the fact. Which is why many states passed firearms protection laws for such events after Katrina.

Those SHOULD have been tackled and pushed. They created a VERY dangerous situation for those that had to go save their sorry asses. When you walk out your front door everyday and look UP at the Atlantic Ocean, you DON'T stand in the patch of a Cat 4 hurricane. If you are TOO STUPID to know that, you should be left to wallow in your stupidity. But the political backlash would have been greater than what it was.
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Would the LE be in the wrong if they were just following the law. We make up the laws by voting. .
The bill of rights is NOT up for a majority rule vote (why don't people get that?) they are rights of EVERY free man NEVER to be trampled on, and ANYONE coming to take your arms is not doing it legally because any law not within the constitutional limits IS AN ILLEGAL LAW and anyone following it would be committing treason.
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Falover57, If the LE are the ones to come and take my guns its because it must be the law of the land. At this point the rights and freedoms you and I have today have been changed. If you were to shot the officer you would be condemned for having shot some one for DOING HIS JOB. Their are many laws I don't agree to, Hell I live in Cali and we have the most F-ed up laws on the books. The rest of the union shuns Cali like the plague, and I'm sure if your state started passing unjust laws the union will shun you as well. Eventually you will meet the LE at your door with a flint lock or cap and ball. Personally I don't think that anybody is coming for our guns, they will just take them a piece at a time until theirs nothing left. We must all join organizations such as NRA or your local gun club and stop it today.
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you can revoke or modify anything in the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, with a constitutional amendment.
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you can revoke or modify anything in the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, with a constitutional amendment.
And if TPTB all got together and shredded the constitution, they ALL would be traitors committing treason and would need hanged, as would ALL following their orders.

ETA, Actually, as far as the gov has over stepped their boundaries , I think it applies to some currently.
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Katrina: police were confiscating arms without Constitutional authority weren't they? And from individuals in their own homes, tackling an old woman across her kitchen for explaining her reason for staying in her home.

Also, officers are just people. People are corrupt in all classes. Some of us have probably witnessed police officers lying in order to make a stop, arrest or any action they took to be justified. They aren't immune. I used to work at night driving from restaurant to restaurant after they closed and got stopped several times. Sometimes the officer would lie as a reason to stop me. "You ran that red light." No, he was just gambling that I was a drunk driver/drugged driver because of being out at 3 am.
The greater issue was some police in NOLA believed they had authorization to shoot looters through miss-communication on several levels.

During Martial Law authorities can and often do seize firearms displayed in public.
When I was with the National Guard in 1963 Cambridge, Maryland, My squad seized quite a few firearms and other weapons over several weeks from civilians, vehicles stopped at our checkpoints and homes where suspicious activity was reported during the riots. We were occasionally fired on at night without casualties and the shit hit really the fan when a perp fired a shot through the front window of a local ANG Brigadier General. (Not in our command)

To address your last comment, some LO are more diligent in their jobs than others and do wish to run up their arrest record for advancement in their careers, but I believe they are in the minority.
I can certainly understand the resentment towards the few from a personal point of view.
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What would you do if that was your mother?

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Olaf, I would stand shoulder to shoulder with you if somebody shredded our constitution. I don't think this would happen or it would already have happened. Thankfully it still takes the people to pass laws with a vote in this country.
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And they got a news crew inside her house to film all that reprehensible activity too.

They should have never been allowed to cross the threshold of the front door.


NO - means, No.

Keep the door closed.

Breach it at your peril.

Leave us in peace, Sir.

The morons went after the soft targets because they were too chicken to go after the hoodies shooting at anything that moved as a propaganda move.

When you see it for what it was you become fully aware of your options under these circumstances.

BE difficult - they will go elsewhere . . .

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I rant at people about keeping their doors and their mouths shut.

...as if I would know ANYTHING about that.

When I try to explain the reasoning, I almost universally get the response from them.

I've been tempted to just stop with my rants. But there was this one character I ranted at all the time, and I was sure he was determined to defy every bit of "free advice" I gave him. Then the shit went down one time, and I found out how he acted. FTW.
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They don't care about the guns, it's the ammunition - which is why there's so much of it about!!! Gun restriction scares, simply boost firearms sales, but hand in hand they raise the cost of ammo - thus making money and inhibiting use (though not criminal use). Who makes all the ammo, who buys the bulk of it, who restricts manufacture etc….. same old crowd! Chances are they'll restrict reloading first, and the picking up of one's brass - maybe 5 cents redeemable stamps soon, not nato!
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I'd quietly wait.
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Exactly ... those who think UN troops are going to police the US of A have never worked with UN troops. Of course that could change, but not in out lifetime.



LEFTIST !!!!!!! Lefties are lefthanded people and really are nice people. You should not hate lefthanded people.



They confiscated by ignorance, NOT by "Constitutional Authority" which many courts have ruled on. Unfortunately after the fact. Which is why many states passed firearms protection laws for such events after Katrina.

Those SHOULD have been tackled and pushed. They created a VERY dangerous situation for those that had to go save their sorry asses. When you walk out your front door everyday and look UP at the Atlantic Ocean, you DON'T stand in the patch of a Cat 4 hurricane. If you are TOO STUPID to know that, you should be left to wallow in your stupidity. But the political backlash would have been greater than what it was.


Forgive me for my spelling but I have nothing against left handed people my Brother-in-law & Nephew are left handed.

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