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Old November 06, 2013, 23:12   #1
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Latch lever question

What is an acceptable level of latch lever "offset"? In other words, how far towards the "open" direction of travel is considered normal? Is there a "normal"?
I've been checking pics of various vertical lever type rifles and while I see some variance, mine seems to be a bit more than the average. This lever was bent so I removed it and straightened it but once reinstalled I can see why it was bent.
The rifle functions fine and does not pop open when fired like I've seen a rare example do. I just want to be sure all is good and if not, what the acceptable fix is.
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Old November 06, 2013, 23:14   #2
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Sorry for the pic angle. I rotated it but it still loads up turned left. Weird.
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Old November 07, 2013, 03:14   #3
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It seems to be ok, but to be sure you are getting a good engagement, just open and close it a few times. This will mark slightly the inside of the catch (plunger) and the receiver hook on the inside. Open it and check to see where the marks are from opening and closing it. This will actually increase slightly as you fire and use it. VERY CAREFULLY remove only the SLIGHTEST AMOUNT with a file if you are not satisfied with its lockup. You may not even have to use a file, but more like some crocus cloth (emery cloth), polishing the mating parts. This will do more than you think. DO NOT REMOVE MUCH METAL. If you think that this lockup is good, then leave it alone. It will increase anyway.

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Old November 07, 2013, 08:43   #4
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It is factory normal for the locking lever to close against the back plate, however depending on which commercial receiver you build there may be some displacement with the locking latch and the lever is secure for firing in your photo.

Just don't fire any grenades.
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Old November 07, 2013, 09:35   #5
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It is factory normal for the locking lever to close against the back plate, however depending on which commercial receiver you build there may be some displacement with the locking latch and the lever is secure for firing in your photo.

Just don't fire any grenades.
I could not disagree more. The latch in the photo is right where it should be. If the lever touches the recoil plate you have a problem.
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Old November 07, 2013, 20:53   #6
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I had considered removing the latch plunger and cutting the engaging surface a couple thousandths but wanted the opinions of the group. Of the four FALs I've owned I've never had one quite like this one in that area. The is an IMBEL on an StG lower. Three of my previous rifles were built on IMBEL and a third was Coonan.
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Old November 07, 2013, 23:29   #7
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Perfect would be vertical but not touching the back plate. The hook on the receiver should stop forward motion, not the back plate.
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Your rifle looks a tiny bit too far to the rear, but not by much. As long as it doesn't pop open when shooting, you should be fine.

It is not supposed to be vertical. With the rearward slack removed, the specification is 4-6 mm from the backplate (vertical) or 19-21mm from the top (horizontal) to the underside of the receiver. Must not touch top of pistol grip.
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Nice looking wood there.
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If it actually touches, it is limiting the forward travel of the plunger inside at the lockup point.


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Take a look in there: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254976

there are many photos of factory new FAL and L1A1 rifles.
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Mark, are those figures from the tip of the lever to the underside of the lower and back plate?

Thanks again for the help everyone.
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Nice looking wood there.
Thanks. IWD.
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It looks fine to me. Better to have a little more angle than not enough. It will wear in eventually. Don't touch it.

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Mark, are those figures from the tip of the lever to the underside of the lower and back plate?

Thanks again for the help everyone.
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4-6 mm from the backplate (vertical)
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19-21mm from the top (horizontal) to the underside of the receiver.
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Yes. GP means the upper tip for the vertical. But note the tip is curved. So the point of measurement is a little hard to find.

Check out the thread Brian posted above (Post #5). There are 2 brand new T48 rifles (H&R) that show 2 different positions of the latch lever. Yours looks just like one of those new rifles. (See post #9 of the referenced thread. towards the bottom...)

If you pull back to open the lever, you will note you have plenty of movement of the lever before the upper starts to move much, so your pic is fine IMO.

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Thanks, I figured his response was affirmation of my assumption.

Thanks for the additional input. Because of the feed back here I feel much better about the lever.
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