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Old October 11, 2012, 20:38   #1
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Buck 110 upgrade - Damascus blade

Blade from Grand at Snake River Knives arrived today - here it is with the sacrificial knife:



Pretty stuff - I'm gettin' excited to put this together.
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Old October 11, 2012, 20:46   #2
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What a great (and obvious, now...) idea! It never even occurred to me to do something like this.

I'd like to see the finished product.
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Thank you kindly

Some progress - drilled out the brass pins with a 1/16th bit and punched them out and got the whole knife disassembled, then removed the bronze bushing from the sacrificial blade and pressed it into the new blade. Here it is faked up (pardon the lighting, I need better lights near my workbench):





I don't think I'm going to keep those scales, though - I'm not sure of the contrast of colors against the blade, plus I'd have to pin them back in place which is a bit fiddly. I'd rather make another set of scales and simply epoxy them in position.

If anyone else is going to try this, you don't have to remove the scales - just the 3 pins in the brass bolsters and the steel pin in the upper center of the scales, which is the pivot for the lock.
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Pardon my ignorance about blades, but what is the advantage to a Damascus blade?

I own 1 knife that has one, and it won't skin and quarter a complete deer. I didn't even bother taking it to Wyoming this year. Did I get a bad one?

I've been totally happy with my 110's stock blades.
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Pardon my ignorance about blades, but what is the advantage to a Damascus blade?

I own 1 knife that has one, and it won't skin and quarter a complete deer. I didn't even bother taking it to Wyoming this year. Did I get a bad one?

I've been totally happy with my 110's stock blades.
That is like asking what is the advantage to a steel blade, Or my knife is made of steel, doesn't hold an edge, is it a bad one?
Like homogenous steels, pattern welded blades run the gamut from Pakistani garbage to high end tool steel. There is no advantage over a similar grade of plain steel, it just has a look some people like. There are even stainless pattern welded steels. Without knowing the particulars of your blade I can't make a guess about its quality.
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Hey I said I was ignorant about Damascus blades.

I'm just trying to learn something here.

WHY are they considered better?
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Hey I said I was ignorant about Damascus blades.

I'm just trying to learn something here.

WHY are they considered better?
They are not considered better.
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I'm just trying to learn something. I hear a lot of talk about Damascus blades.
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I just like the aesthetics of a Damascus blade and wanted to turn a regular run-of-the-mill Buck knife into something semi-custom.

Some might argue the pros and cons of Damascus vs Stainless vs whatever... for example, the flexibility and toughness of a laminated blade like Damascus. I just like the artistry which results from hand-forging steel and iron over an anvil; something hand-made as opposed to the everyday blade simply ground from a steel bar.
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Is it laminated? Most damascus is not.
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Well, if it really matters, what else would you call alternating layers of metal?
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Pattern welding.

Laminated blades generally have a premium steel laminated between two outer layers for flexibility and/or appearance. The outer layers can be pattern welded steel.
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Laminated blades generally have a premium steel laminated between two outer layers for flexibility and/or appearance.
Premium steel is pretty vague. Selected for a particular attribute I can understand. But for a hand held cutting blade the demands are minor. It never gets hot, it isn't designed to cut other metals, and it operates in benign environments.

Metallurgy today is a wonderful thing. We have steel alloys that will suit almost any task.

Marketing however, has surpassed that. The amount of 'ass smoke' wafted to knife buyers is a wonder.

I know Andy and I know why he bought that lovely blade. It suits his purposes to a "T". But laminating steels in a knife designed to be used with human hands is marketing.

Just my opinion, and as I own not a single 'custom' knife I didn't make myself, exactly worth every penny paid for it.

The consumers of the smoke and marketing are now free to howl at will.
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Premium steel is pretty vague. Selected for a particular attribute I can understand. But for a hand held cutting blade the demands are minor. It never gets hot, it isn't designed to cut other metals, and it operates in benign environments.

Metallurgy today is a wonderful thing. We have steel alloys that will suit almost any task.

Marketing however, has surpassed that. The amount of 'ass smoke' wafted to knife buyers is a wonder.

I know Andy and I know why he bought that lovely blade. It suits his purposes to a "T". But laminating steels in a knife designed to be used with human hands is marketing.

Just my opinion, and as I own not a single 'custom' knife I didn't make myself, exactly worth every penny paid for it.

The consumers of the smoke and marketing are now free to howl at will.
By premium steel, I mean a high quality blade steel. I am not going to sit here and list a plethora of steels. Laminating steels has a purpose, you can run a cutting edge of higher end steel while allowing the blade to be tougher and more flexible. The idea that premium blade steel is ass smoke marketing is just ignorance. Better steel holds a better edge. Laminating a blade can make a tougher or more stain resistant blade, or simply appeal to a particular aesthetic. I never said his blade was not lovely.
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Pattern welding.

Laminated blades generally have a premium steel laminated between two outer layers for flexibility and/or appearance. The outer layers can be pattern welded steel.
Oh, boy - so despite the fact that Damascus blades consists of layers of steel pattern-welded together, it's somehow not a laminate? Uh huh

You have a very narrow-minded definition of a laminated material, but let's hear from an expert:

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What was this secret steel of the Near East, its forging guarded so well by the swordsmiths of Syria?

That steel was called Damascus Steel, a term used by Crusaders to describe the metal used by the artisans and swordsmiths of Damascus, Syria. These metalworkers, particularly during the Middle Ages, were famous for their ability to hammer and temper wootz steel into fine and supple blades.

Ok, thats where the name (Damascus) came from. But (wootz) Damascus is different than pattern welded or (laminated) Damascus. They look much the same, but differ greatly in how they are made. What I make is (Laminated) Damascus steel and is the result of stacking different types of metals and forge-welding them into different patterns. The patterning on these blades goes all the way through . . . it is each of these forged layers of metal that you are seeing.
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Feel free to tell an ABS master smith that his Damascus steel - or, if you prefer, his pattern-welded steel - isn't a laminated steel
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Not laminated in the sense that it adds any flexibility or toughness. It is done for aesthetics alone. Pattern welding results in a steel uniform throughout. Laminated steel as I described- which can be clad with damascus or have a different damascus core, can have performance advantages.

You will also note that he does not say his pattern welded billets have added performance, because that is not the case.
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And since he is an ABS Mastersmith, I am sure he has made laminated blades as I have described. It is not uncommon.
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Not laminated in the sense that it adds any flexibility or toughness. It is done for aesthetics alone.
Nobody has claimed otherwise

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Pattern welding results in a steel uniform throughout.
No, it doesn't. The word "pattern" might be a hint here:

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Pattern welding is the practice in sword and knife making of forming a blade of several metal pieces of differing composition that are forge-welded together and twisted and manipulated to form a pattern. Often called Damascus steel, blades forged in this manner often display bands of slightly different patterning along their entire length. These bands can be highlighted for cosmetic purposes by proper polishing or acid etching.

Pattern welding was an outgrowth of laminated or piled steel, a similar technique used to combine steels of different carbon contents, providing a desired mix of hardness and toughness. Although modern steelmaking processes negate the need to blend different steels, pattern welded steel is still used by custom knifemakers for the cosmetic effects it produces.
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Laminated steel as I described...
No, it isn't. You described ONE type of laminate - an example of which might be Cold Steel's San Mai, which consists of 3 layers of steel. That doesn't mean that it's the only type of steel which conforms to the definition of "laminated", by any manner of means.

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...which can be clad with damascus or have a different damascus core, can have performance advantages.
It may or may not have performance advantages - it has nothing to do with my reasons for choosing the blade here, so I'm unsure why you're even raising the subject of performance

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You will also note that he does not say his pattern welded billets have added performance, because that is not the case.
Again - because nobody claimed otherwise
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This is an excellent discussion. Beats the shit out of politics.

One thing I'm sure of. Everybody on here is a fan of steel blades and what can be accomplished, from the physical properties to the sublime aesthetic appeal.

It's science, and it's art. What more can you ask of something you can hold in your hand AND will do work for you?

We really should be sitting around a fire sippin' whiskey and smoking 5$ cigars while we discuss these matters.

Damn, why ain't we?
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Nobody has claimed otherwise


No, it doesn't. The word "pattern" might be a hint here:




No, it isn't. You described ONE type of laminate - an example of which might be Cold Steel's San Mai, which consists of 3 layers of steel. That doesn't mean that it's the only type of steel which conforms to the definition of "laminated", by any manner of means.


It may or may not have performance advantages - it has nothing to do with my reasons for choosing the blade here, so I'm unsure why you're even raising the subject of performance


Again - because nobody claimed otherwise
Nobody raised the subject of performance, except you.

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Some might argue the pros and cons of Damascus vs Stainless vs whatever... for example, the flexibility and toughness of a laminated blade like Damascus. I just like the artistry which results from hand-forging steel and iron over an anvil; something hand-made as opposed to the everyday blade simply ground from a steel bar.

Also, pattern welded steel is uniform throughout. two types of steel layered together, but it is uniform throughout the billet. It does not have any benefit beyond aesthetics.

And cold steel's laminated steel is shit- their core steel is low end stainless.
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You get points for using the word "plethora". But you're still on probation.

We're a demanding lot around here.


ETA: "Two types laminated and uniform throughout" is an oxymoron. If you mean the laminations are uniform, that also is an oxymoron. They can be 'regular' as in predictable in sequence. I'm using regular in the most exact sense.
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One thing I'm sure of. Everybody on here is a fan of steel blades
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Cool background......

An old style Pattern Welded sword being made starting @2:48 and into the next segment.

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Nobody raised the subject of performance, except you.
Oh, bollocks.

I said:

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Some might argue the pros and cons of Damascus vs Stainless vs whatever... for example, the flexibility and toughness of a laminated blade like Damascus. I just like the artistry which results from hand-forging steel and iron over an anvil; something hand-made as opposed to the everyday blade simply ground from a steel bar."
Now, if plain English is too tough for you, let me decipher that:

Some folks out there ie. NOT me - might argue pros and cons of Damascus - whatever factors they feel beats regular steel. They can knock themselves out arguing over performance - I don't care because it's not why I bought this.

What *I* care about is, as I said, "the artistry which results from hand-forging steel and iron over an anvil" - aesthetics. Is that clear enough for you now?

You're the one who'd rabbiting on about perceived performance - not me. Bloody hell.... talk about putting words into a guy's mouth...

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Also, pattern welded steel is uniform throughout. two types of steel layered together, but it is uniform throughout the billet.
Uniform?? TOTAL bollocks. You seriously need to learn what you're talking about. Once again, with feeling:

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Yep, those layers sure look uniform Don't post when you're toast, pal.

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And cold steel's laminated steel is shit- their core steel is low end stainless.
I don't give a rat's ass if it's shit or if it's awesome. It's one example of a laminate steel which consists of 3 layers - which you claim is the only type of steel deserving of the word "laminate".
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Oh, bollocks.

I said:



Now, if plain English is too tough for you, let me decipher that:

Some folks out there ie. NOT me - might argue pros and cons of Damascus - whatever factors they feel beats regular steel. They can knock themselves out arguing over performance - I don't care because it's not why I bought this.

What *I* care about is, as I said, "the artistry which results from hand-forging steel and iron over an anvil" - aesthetics. Is that clear enough for you now?

You're the one who'd rabbiting on about perceived performance - not me. Bloody hell.... talk about putting words into a guy's mouth...


Uniform?? TOTAL bollocks. You seriously need to learn what you're talking about. Once again, with feeling:




Yep, those layers sure look uniform Don't post when you're toast, pal.


I don't give a rat's ass if it's shit or if it's awesome. It's one example of a laminate steel which consists of 3 layers - which you claim is the only type of steel deserving of the word "laminate".
Nobody argues pros and cons of damascus vs regular steel, unless they don't know much if anything about steel. Closest you get to that is people saying they like how it looks or they hate how it looks.

I was responding to your statement about laminated damascus having performance enhancements, which is exactly what you said. Instead of calling your statement a load of "bollocks", which it clearly was, I tried to be nice. Now you are arguing semantic BS about the term "laminate" despite clearly knowing what I meant. All the googled knowledge in the world will not make you right, if you can even recall why your panties got bunched in the first place.
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Nobody argues pros and cons of damascus vs regular steel, unless they don't know much if anything about steel. Closest you get to that is people saying they like how it looks or they hate how it looks.
Oh, I've seen 'smiths almost come to blows over the subject - but I guess you know better

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I was responding to your statement about laminated damascus having performance enhancements, which is exactly what you said
Excuse me? I said what? Where? Does English happen to be your second language or something?

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Now you are arguing semantic BS about the term "laminate" despite clearly knowing what I meant. All the googled knowledge in the world will not make you right, if you can even recall why your panties got bunched in the first place.
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pattern welded steel is uniform throughout. two types of steel layered together, but it is uniform throughout the billet.
You're quite simply wrong; all the blademakers in the world will tell you that you're wrong. I posted a few examples in my previous posts as a courtesy.

My "panties got bunched", as you say, because you're telling me what my motives were for buying this blade when I quite plainly said it was for aesthetic reasons - and then showing your complete ignorance on the subject of laminated steels but preaching ignorance nonetheless. Good luck with that
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Referring to pattern welded damascus as laminated steel is not common terminology. When people say laminated steel, they do not mean pattern welded.

Attempting to insult me does not change what you wrote, despite your attempt to spin it. You gave a fallacious example of what "some might argue".

Why would anyone argue about something that only applies to the kind of laminated steel people mean when they say "laminated steel?"
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My "panties got bunched", as you say, because you're telling me what my motives were for buying this blade when I quite plainly said it was for aesthetic reasons - and then showing your complete ignorance on the subject of laminated steels but preaching ignorance nonetheless. Good luck with that
Preaching ignorance would be googling madly in order to shore up a nebulous semantic argument over a misused industry term. It might be used to describe the process, especially to a layman, but not the final product, because that would be confusing to anyone looking for a laminated blade.

I wasn't telling you anything about your motives for buying your blade, but you appear to be terminally butt hurt over what you imagine was said.

Trying to insult me doesn't make you less ignorant.
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Referring to pattern welded damascus as laminated steel is not common terminology.
It's perfectly correct terminology and I used it because I know what I'm talking about; I don't care what terms common - or ignorant - people use.

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When people say laminated steel, they do not mean pattern welded.
I don't care nor can control "what people say". I care what *I* say, and I'm quite specific about it. Let me say this slowly so you can keep up: Pattern-welded steel - is - a - laminate; not all laminates are pattern-welded. If you knew anything about the subject, you'd know that.

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Attempting to insult me does not change what you wrote, despite your attempt to spin it. You gave a fallacious example of what "some might argue".
Sonny, you seem to be having a real difficult time with written English. I meant precisely what I said - despite your attempts to twist it to try and make it out that I said something along the lines of "I would argue....". I never said that at all, never meant that at all, never even implied it at all.

Quite frankly, you're trying to infer something I never said nor implied; do you know enough English to be be able to tell the difference?

Now, a Damascus or pattern-welded blade consists of layers of steel; layers of materials can be referred to as a laminated material. I seriously have NO idea how you don't understand that.

From Merriam Webster:

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b : made by bonding or impregnating superposed layers (as of paper, wood, or fabric) with resin and compressing under heat
Getting the point now?

And oh, I'm sorry - finding various websites (one from an ABS Mastersmith who specializes in pattern-welding steel) which absolutely and unequivocally show that you're talking out your ass, is "a nebulous semantic argument over a misused industry term". Sorry that I used the Merriam Webster dictionary to prove you wrong, too.

You're the one saying that Damascus isn't a laminated material.
You're the one saying that pattern-welded steel is uniform.
You're the one saying that only 3 layers of metal qualify for the term "laminate"

Sorry that you're so butt-hurt over being wrong that you desperately try to cover your ass by saying that the facts which everyone (but you) agree upon are "a nebulous semantic argument over a misused industry term".

Right

Your credibility is taking a serious nose-dive - but keep responding, do.
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It's perfectly correct terminology and I used it because I know what I'm talking about; I don't care what terms common - or ignorant - people use.
That reads like you are stamping your feet and crossing your arms.

Common, as in everyone uses it, you know- in the knife industry you pretend to know about?

You still don't get it, and likely never will. Maybe you should use some more googling. Show me where an ABS mastersmith is selling a blade of "laminated steel" that is in fact plain old pattern welded steel. It doesn't happen, because the term is generally not used to refer to pattern welded steel, other than to describe the process to a layman (as in your link)
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Sorry, sonny - you're the one who doesn't get it. Pattern-welded steel is a laminated metal - it consists of laminated layers of welded metal. Good grief, how on earth can you possibly deny that?

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Show me where an ABS mastersmith is selling a blade of "laminated steel" that is in fact plain old pattern welded steel.
Now you're moving the goalposts - getting desperate? More smoke & mirrors, but oh well - I actually already have:

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Wootz Damascus is different than pattern welded or laminated Damascus. They look much the same, but differ greatly in how they are made. What I make is Laminated Damascus steel - Shane Taylor - ABS Mastersmith

You know, I've watched, taken part in and enjoyed many an argument over intelligent subjects as to whether, for example, pattern-welded steel is Damascus or not - but you have to be the first person on planet earth I've ever seen who:

1. Claims that "pattern welded steel is uniform throughout"
2. Claims that Damascus steel is not a laminated material
3. Claims that a laminated steel can only have 3 layers.

Oh, what the hell - here's one final link:

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...the test blade must be made by the applicant of pattern-welded Damascus steel of the applicant's making.
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There are a couple of new twists added. The Damascus blade must consist of a minimum of 300 layers. The blade should be lightly etched, just enough so that the Master testing the applicant can see the layers and make a good estimate as to the layer count.
Pattern-welded Damascus steel.... 300 layers....

I've posted plenty of legitimate sites and links from bladesmiths and now the ABS for you and others to follow, while all you've done is yap and blow smoke.

Time for you to man up, sonny - post a few independent, outside sources to prove your point other than your own yapping. Bet you can't do it.
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Tsk - all that fine ATF + knife and you hadda go and throw a Block in there instead of your Gold Cup? Bloody uncouth Aussies.... zero class, I swear...
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So, uh, has there been any progress on the knife since post #6? That is a very nice Damascus/laminated blade.
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So, uh, has there been any progress on the knife since post #6? That is a very nice Damascus/laminated blade.
I posted a good video link back on #27.....
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So, uh, has there been any progress on the knife since post #6? That is a very nice Damascus/laminated blade.
Thank you kindly.

Not much progress yet; I work for a living

I do have some black paper micarta scales on the way right now, along with a pocket-clip just for kicks - my thought it to keep the handle relatively plain in order to help make the blade stand out, so I abandoned the idea of mammoth tusk/bone/tooth and to go for an effect kinda like this on the handle:



I'm currently deciding whether I want to epoxy the scales in place or add some nickel silver pins to it as in the pic above. I also have my eye on some antique ivory micarta scales, which may go onto a second knife.
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..... lot'sa class I'll have you know..... Gold Cup was on a date so Gaston it was...

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Pattern welded steel is uniform. It has the same material(s) on the edge as in the middle, the sides, and the spine. Unless it is laminated with another steel as I said. This is obviously what I was getting at, but you either failed to comprehend this or chose to ignore it.

You are the master of googling to pretend you know something, so go ahead and google where a mastersmith is selling a "laminated blade" that is made of one pattern welded billet.

You obviously are new to the knife world, so you might want to simmer down and learn something before flying off the handle.
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So then, where can I get my hands on a billet of homogenous damascus non-pattern welded laminated steel that's uniform throughout?

I'll bet Shlomo has some under the lathe. Behind the ferrous brass.
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You really like to nitpick semantic bullshit.
That "semantic bullshit" is called accuracy, sonny; sorry that the facts don't happen to line up with your magical thinking

Now, kindly go and bother another thread; adults are talking here and I'm tired of trying to educate an ignoramus on basic English and how some steels are made, but I'm sure I'll have folks laughing for years when I tell them that I chatted with a guy who absolutely and totally believes that a pattern-welded blade is uniform throughout - so take my grateful thanks with you
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All I know is that folding steel now a days is pointless. It is only for the look. They did it centuries ago to remove impurities but now we have refined the processes of making steel. This seems to be the consensus on sword forums.
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All I know is that folding steel now a days is pointless. It is only for the look.
I don't know if it's pointless - you could just as well say the same of any art-form - but I absolutely bought it for the looks because I appreciate the artistry involved.
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Of course its for the look!

Criminy!

I'm going to bet that Andy won't be taking that re-bladed 110 out for mumbly-peg games by the campfire, or for cutting-up old tires tractor-tires to make planters in front of his trailer.

I want a damascus one too, but I want mine to be a staghorn SWITCHBLADE with silver bolsters.

And my initials on it in Warner Bros. cartoons font.

In reality though, I'll probably get another chinese swiss-army knock-off for Christmas.
Maybe it will be one with a built-in LED flashlight this year.
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All I know is that folding steel now a days is pointless. It is only for the look. They did it centuries ago to remove impurities but now we have refined the processes of making steel. This seems to be the consensus on sword forums.
The folding of steel was the main point in forging traditional Japanese Samurai blades. It's what made them so special. I know its apples and oranges (Knives vs Swords) but if one was talking about a big knife blade like a traditional Tanto, the folding of steel would still be considered a viable process in high end blades.
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