PRE K31 Swiss Rifle Q??

DYNOMIKE · July 16, 2012, 19:49

Hey Guy's whats the scoop on the Longer barreled SWISS rifles that where Pre K31?
I believe the rifle in question to be a Model 1889??

The one in Q has much diff sights, a mag that moves up and down by not out, and it has a much longer bolt..

Are these the same Caliber as the K31, do they shoot well, & what would be the approximate value on one with matching numbers a pristine bore but light rust on the receiver?

**K. Funk** · July 16, 2012, 20:34

Well, there was the grand daddy of them all, the M1889. It fires 7.5x53 which is a bit weaker than the 7.5x55. Then there was the M96/1911. Then there was the M1911 and the K11. The M1889 has a much more prouncouned magazine and looked much older than the 1911 style rifles. Pristine and all matching is not un-common. I think prices have stabililzed around $475. The 96/11 and 1911 are similar in appearance. The K11 is the carbine version and can be differentiated by the magazine and the handguard, with which there is wood between the rear sight and the receiver ring, unlike the K31. Here'e a good link...

http://www.swissrifles.com/sr/

krf

homelandprotector · July 17, 2012, 07:17

I got one if ya want to buy it..............

Yep, same caliber.

**K. Funk** · July 17, 2012, 15:38

If I hurry, I can get a pic of a M1889, a M1911 a K11 and a K31 all in the same picture. The K11 is sold and will be shipping soon. What a sweet rifle!! As is the M1911.

krf

homelandprotector · July 17, 2012, 20:41

Accurate as hell to, I think it has a 26" barrel

Big 5 had the K31's on sale for $89.........so I bought 3.

**Drtrumpet** · July 20, 2012, 21:10

I have some ammo for those old swiss rifles, not K31, the older one.

USMA-82 · July 28, 2012, 06:31

These are all beautiful, well-made rifles. You do want to use a low-power load for the 1889 to be careful with that old girl. The moving magazine (12-rounds!) is of course a magazine-disconnect feature.

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Top to bottom:
- 1869/71 Vetterli
- 1889 Schmidt-Rubin
- 1896/11 Schmidt-Rubin
- 1911 Schmidt-Rubin
- K11 Schmidt-Rubin
- K31 Schmidt-Rubin

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**Texgunner** · July 28, 2012, 08:45

Mike, here's my K11. It's the carbine version of course of the Model 1911 rifle. This one is a 1928 model. Although they are similar to the K31, there is a big difference in how they feel. The K11 seems much lighter and "handier", if that's a word.

STGThndr · July 29, 2012, 05:00

Some beautiful rifles, works of art! Having never gone to war they are usually in good shape... They are interesting and have been since my early teen years, but have never gotten one, and have only once seen one in a shop... I I'D it right off and the shop guy was surprised, said it had been in for quite awhile and no one had ever before recognised it. One old guy I met had been using his for deer since the 1950s or so and never felt the need for anything else. Glad that some of these rifles (and ammo!) have made it back into the country.

July 16, 2012, 19:49	#1
DYNOMIKE Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 11982 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 14,107	PRE K31 Swiss Rifle Q?? Hey Guy's whats the scoop on the Longer barreled SWISS rifles that where Pre K31? I believe the rifle in question to be a Model 1889?? The one in Q has much diff sights, a mag that moves up and down by not out, and it has a much longer bolt.. Are these the same Caliber as the K31, do they shoot well, & what would be the approximate value on one with matching numbers a pristine bore but light rust on the receiver? __________________ "If your Gonna DIE, DIE Standing UP"!! The WOLVERINES.......

July 16, 2012, 20:34	#2
K. Funk Real Life Metallurgist Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 38 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Myerstown, PA Posts: 3,955	Well, there was the grand daddy of them all, the M1889. It fires 7.5x53 which is a bit weaker than the 7.5x55. Then there was the M96/1911. Then there was the M1911 and the K11. The M1889 has a much more prouncouned magazine and looked much older than the 1911 style rifles. Pristine and all matching is not un-common. I think prices have stabililzed around $475. The 96/11 and 1911 are similar in appearance. The K11 is the carbine version and can be differentiated by the magazine and the handguard, with which there is wood between the rear sight and the receiver ring, unlike the K31. Here'e a good link... http://www.swissrifles.com/sr/ krf __________________ The Mason-Dixon FAL Association wants YOU!! Ask me for details. You never know what's going on inside the mind of a crazy man!! Check out username kandainv on Gunbroker; always some neat stuff!! FYB!!!!

July 17, 2012, 07:17	#3
homelandprotector Registered FALaholic #: 16592 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 6,161	I got one if ya want to buy it.............. Yep, same caliber. __________________ We need about 3000 Ron Paul's in Washington.....HLP

July 17, 2012, 15:38	#4
K. Funk Real Life Metallurgist Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 38 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Myerstown, PA Posts: 3,955	If I hurry, I can get a pic of a M1889, a M1911 a K11 and a K31 all in the same picture. The K11 is sold and will be shipping soon. What a sweet rifle!! As is the M1911. krf __________________ The Mason-Dixon FAL Association wants YOU!! Ask me for details. You never know what's going on inside the mind of a crazy man!! Check out username kandainv on Gunbroker; always some neat stuff!! FYB!!!!

July 17, 2012, 20:41	#5
homelandprotector Registered FALaholic #: 16592 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 6,161	Accurate as hell to, I think it has a 26" barrel Big 5 had the K31's on sale for $89.........so I bought 3. __________________ We need about 3000 Ron Paul's in Washington.....HLP Last edited by homelandprotector; July 18, 2012 at 08:13.

July 20, 2012, 21:10	#6
Drtrumpet Veteran Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 32722 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,216	I have some ammo for those old swiss rifles, not K31, the older one.

July 28, 2012, 06:31	#7
USMA-82 Registered FALaholic #: 17855 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Home of Scott Brown Posts: 91	These are all beautiful, well-made rifles. You do want to use a low-power load for the 1889 to be careful with that old girl. The moving magazine (12-rounds!) is of course a magazine-disconnect feature. * Top to bottom: - 1869/71 Vetterli - 1889 Schmidt-Rubin - 1896/11 Schmidt-Rubin - 1911 Schmidt-Rubin - K11 Schmidt-Rubin - K31 Schmidt-Rubin * __________________ A Republican Fighting the Good Fight in Massachusetts

July 28, 2012, 08:45	#8
Texgunner long-time Texas taxpayer Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 4653 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: central Texas-Milam county Posts: 2,533	Mike, here's my K11. It's the carbine version of course of the Model 1911 rifle. This one is a 1928 model. Although they are similar to the K31, there is a big difference in how they feel. The K11 seems much lighter and "handier", if that's a word. __________________ "I'm Snake River Rufus Crile, a long way from home. I'm blood kin to a Gila monster, can drink my weight in wolf poison. Massacre, bloodshed, famine and drought all put meat on my bones. Hardship and slaughter, my daily bread. I can whip a full grown longhorn cow with my hands tied, make violent love to mountain lions. My trigger fingers are itchy; I'm set to go, red hot" from "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean"

July 29, 2012, 05:00	#9
STGThndr Registered FALaholic #: 14583 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Southern Colorado mtns and desert Posts: 3,409	Some beautiful rifles, works of art! Having never gone to war they are usually in good shape... They are interesting and have been since my early teen years, but have never gotten one, and have only once seen one in a shop... I I'D it right off and the shop guy was surprised, said it had been in for quite awhile and no one had ever before recognised it. One old guy I met had been using his for deer since the 1950s or so and never felt the need for anything else. Glad that some of these rifles (and ammo!) have made it back into the country. __________________ Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B Yeats

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