Jard FAL trigger

[Bprewit]

I haven't seen a thread on this so figured would see if anyone else has tried this trigger. It says 3.5lb trigger pull and figure I will buy one today and try it out to see how well it works for a FAL. Anyone else have one or tried one??
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/718...-lb-blue?cm_vc

[Bwana John]

I bought two Jard aftermarket triggers for my 77/22s.

One is outstanding, a 11 oz pull with no take up or overtravel, just about perfect.
The other trigger was awful, with tons of overtravel and a wierd feeling during take up.

The lack of consistency between the two supposedly same triggers and the price has kept me from trying the FAL version.

[DeMilled]

Bwana John, that is very odd that one of the triggers was soo off. Did you contact Jard?

Is the trigger you have issues with fully adjustable, like the FAL trigger is?

[DeMilled]

I have a Jard.

I love it.



You should be aware that this is a precision trigger (no shit, you're saying ) and as such it will not work well with ill fitting trigger/hammer pins, or trigger/hammer pin holes in the lower receiver that allow play between the pins and receiver.

Slop between the trigger/hammer and its' pin can cause malfunctions with hammer re-set and sear set.
Same for slop between pin and receiver.

You want everything guten teit.


If things look good between your pins and receiver, measure your pins and get a tech. guy on the phone to make sure they are going to work with the trigger set you buy.



If you need a larger pin put up a Want To Buy/Trade ad and I'm sure one of the guys around here can take care of you.

[Bwana John]

Bwana John, that is very odd that one of the triggers was soo off. Did you contact Jard?

Is the trigger you have issues with fully adjustable, like the FAL trigger is?

When I called Jard they told me that the the excessive overtravel was a function of the design and it was needed for the trigger to reset Kinda funny that one works so well, and the other one didnt.

It is adjustable for sear engagement, overtravel, and has different springs for pull weight. It also has an adjustable safety stop (needed on a 77/22).

[gman]

Originally Posted by Bprewit

I haven't seen a thread on this so figured would see if anyone else has tried this trigger. It says 3.5lb trigger pull and figure I will buy one today and try it out to see how well it works for a FAL. Anyone else have one or tried one??
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/718...-lb-blue?cm_vc

Never even knew they existed. Looking for your write-up on it.

[DeMilled]

Originally Posted by Bwana John

When I called Jard they told me that the the excessive overtravel was a function of the design and it was needed for the trigger to reset Kinda funny that one works so well, and the other one didnt.

It is adjustable for sear engagement, overtravel, and has different springs for pull weight. It also has an adjustable safety stop (needed on a 77/22).

I agree, that's pretty hinky and wouldn't inspire much confidence in me either.

Sure glad my FAL trigger has not been a disappointment like one of your triggers was...

[Bwana John]

Originally Posted by DeMilled

Sure glad my FAL trigger has not been a disappointment like one of your triggers was...

Was it you that had all the problems at first with with the FAL Jard trigger and OEM trigger and hammer pin diameter? (too small for the Jard, but in spec for the FAL)

If it was you, thanks... cause I never knew how much difference in diameter there can be in stock FAL trigger and hammer pins and I found that choosing the largest ones helps the OEM trigger also.

[DeMilled]

No, I did read that thread too before I purchased my trigger so I had a heads up when I set mine up.

I actually found a larger diameter hammer and trigger pin in my parts box (just a little too large) and used a little polishing compound to mate the parts together. My set up has extremely little slop and the little I do have is between the lower receiver and pins.


I am very happy with the Jard product and plan to buy more of them for all my rifles. It is a product that requires attention to detail though...

[DeMilled]

Originally Posted by Bwana John

Was it you that had all the problems at first with with the FAL Jard trigger and OEM trigger and hammer pin diameter? (too small for the Jard, but in spec for the FAL)

If it was you, thanks... cause I never knew how much difference in diameter there can be in stock FAL trigger and hammer pins and I found that choosing the largest ones helps the OEM trigger also.

I'll betcha that was what was causing my DSA HTS set to start doubling on me! I went through the HTS and smoothed things up and had a pretty nice trigger pull but the thing would double now and then.
I should dig them back out and check the fit up between the hammer and trigger to their pins.

[gunplumber]

Originally Posted by DeMilled

I'll betcha that was what was causing my DSA HTS set to start doubling on me! I went through the HTS and smoothed things up and had a pretty nice trigger pull but the thing would double now and then.
I should dig them back out and check the fit up between the hammer and trigger to their pins.

Caused by the trigger hump not tall enough or if you are using a DSA selector too, the relief cut is too deep. It allows the trigger to be pulled too far to the rear, which is the same as having int in the FA selector setting.

Solution is an OT stop on on the selector or the trigger. Sometimes you can use a semiauto trigger return plunger but ften those don't allow enough travel for a DS FCG.

[DeMilled]

Originally Posted by gunplumber

Caused by the trigger hump not tall enough or if you are using a DSA selector too, the relief cut is too deep. It allows the trigger to be pulled too far to the rear, which is the same as having int in the FA selector setting.

Solution is an OT stop on on the selector or the trigger. Sometimes you can use a semiauto trigger return plunger but ften those don't allow enough travel for a DS FCG.

Thank you.
I will have another look at that set in the future with this info in mind.

[Bprewit]

Finally got around to installing the new Jard trigger today that wife got me for my birthday. It was fairly simple to install and took about 45 minutes start to finish but had to sand my trigger pin a bit as the fit was too snug. It made a huge difference in trigger pull and im very satisfied with the fit and function! I have no way to measure actual trigger pull weight but it has to be damn close to the advertised 3.5lbs with very little creep and overtravel. Now I just need to buy a few more for my other FAL's!!

[LaConservationist]

So what is the over all consensus on the JARD "TRIGGER" kits in your FAL rifles?

Are they dependable? Any doubling or tripling? whats your opinions?

THANKS!

LaC

[stimpsonjcat]

Be sure to check your escapement when done.

I HATE having to DQ people because their rifle with some fancy trigger or trigger job won't behave.

[Bprewit]

Originally Posted by LaConservationist

So what is the over all consensus on the JARD "TRIGGER" kits in your FAL rifles?

Are they dependable? Any doubling or tripling? whats your opinions?

THANKS!

LaC

Well three Jard triggers in three seperate FAL's and all of them function perfect with no doubling or any other issues. On the first install I was a bit nervous about how light the trigger pull was so I adjusted it a little loose with some creep and overtravel but after no problems I adjusted the other two nice and crisp and still no issues. Since 7.62 ammo is getting harder to find I have only put 400-500 rounds thru each of these rifles and maybe even less than that on the Izzy HB but as I said no problems found and none expected.

[Falws6]

I have had significant issues with mine. No doubling but hammer wouldnt reset occasionally after firing. I couldn't replicate the issue dry firing it. Im looking to put my factory trigger back in.
Buyer Beware

[Will_Power]

In light of the iffy natures of the Jard triggers and the 50/50 chance you take with Bill Springfield's work, are there any reliable options for lightening up and/or smoothing out an FAL's trigger?

[brunop]

If you don't want to stone it yourself, send it to GP if he has time/room for the work. Don't send it to a local gunsmith who (probably) knows nothing about FALs.

You'd be surprised at how much better a trigger will feel and function if you go slow and just smooth surfaces with a stone.

[Falws6]

Originally Posted by Will_Power

In light of the iffy natures of the Jard triggers and the 50/50 chance you take with Bill Springfield's work, are there any reliable options for lightening up and/or smoothing out an FAL's trigger?

For me the pull reduction springs from falcon arms coupled with deburring you trigger parts (mentioned earlier) yields the best trigger pull and reliability. The Jard feels great but the occasional stoppage puts me off.

[FAL4EVER]

Originally Posted by Falws6

I have had significant issues with mine. No doubling but hammer wouldnt reset occasionally after firing. I couldn't replicate the issue dry firing it. Im looking to put my factory trigger back in.
Buyer Beware

I had that happen. The hammer actually bumped through the reset. You can test that by pushing down on the hammer while pulling the the trigger. Quickly let go of the hammer.
I called Jard and they sent me a little shim for the spring. Good people.

[Falws6]

Originally Posted by FAL4EVER

I had that happen. The hammer actually bumped through the reset. You can test that by pushing down on the hammer while pulling the the trigger. Quickly let go of the hammer.
I called Jard and they sent me a little shim for the spring. Good people.

I'll have to look into that, thats for the heads up.

[J. Armstrong]

Just installed a JARD on one of my FALs last night and so far it has been a disaster. There IS a bit of extra slop in the hammer/pin, so I'll try to correct that before passing final judgement, however. I will say that while most of the folks here would have no problem with the install per se, I think a better pictorial diagram which specifically identifies each of the adjustment points would prove helpful for some folks.

Mine is ostensibly a 4.5 lb but it sure doesn't feel like it. It is scary light and I mean that literally. Granted I am used to the typical crappy FAL trigger, but the JARD so far has little feel and no sense of when the break is going to happen. Set it up per instructions a half dozen times, then tried further tweaking but no joy.

The Geissele on my SCAR worried me the same way at first but hasn't been a problem. There is a definite "stop" at the end of the first stage, with a lovely, clean break.

[J. Armstrong]

Okay, I just spent several hours putzing with the dang thing. I tried three different nos hammer pins, still a lot of hammer play, same problems. I should also note that the hammer fall seems pretty light to me. Can't say whether or not it would actually prove to be a problem, but I would definitely want to try it with the hardest milsurp primers I could find before I would rest easy.

I sent an email to JARD identifying the issue, it will be interesting to see their response. However, I rather doubt I could bring myself to trust my life with one of these, any more than I do with any of the US 922r fcgs.

Based solely on my experience, I would say run - don't walk - away from this garbage. It ain't rocket science, and machining a critical hole to correct specifications shouldn't be guesswork, IMHO. YMMV.

[SWOHFAL]

Did you bounce the butt down on the floor to see if the hammer fell?

[J. Armstrong]

You betcha - with enfhusiasm !!! No hammer fall.

[Falws6]

Originally Posted by J. Armstrong

Okay, I just spent several hours putzing with the dang thing. I tried three different nos hammer pins, still a lot of hammer play, same problems. I should also note that the hammer fall seems pretty light to me. Can't say whether or not it would actually prove to be a problem, but I would definitely want to try it with the hardest milsurp primers I could find before I would rest easy.

I sent an email to JARD identifying the issue, it will be interesting to see their response. However, I rather doubt I could bring myself to trust my life with one of these, any more than I do with any of the US 922r fcgs.

Based solely on my experience, I would say run - don't walk - away from this garbage. It ain't rocket science, and machining a critical hole to correct specifications shouldn't be guesswork, IMHO. YMMV.

Yeah the hammer seems like it strikes the firing pin too soft but i shot some DAG through it and it worked fine. Im still going to replace it with standard components as i don't want to take any chances on reliability.

[J. Armstrong]

Originally Posted by Falws6

Yeah the hammer seems like it strikes the firing pin too soft but i shot some DAG through it and it worked fine. Im still going to replace it with standard components as i don't want to take any chances on reliability.

+1 on that !