Remington, fixin to rule the world

homelandprotector · June 19, 2012, 09:54

I've heard that Remington has bought up almost every weapons manufacturer in existence........ maybe I should open a company that build AR rifles so when Remington gets the next GIGANTIC Government contract to build all the new rifles and handguns, they'll buy my company for 1 million dollars (Dr Evil voice).

Their newest ACR.......

FALRifle · June 19, 2012, 10:00

What is everyones take on these rifles? I have heard such conflicting reviews I have no idea what to believe. I like the design and concept but how do they run?

Tuscan Raider · June 19, 2012, 10:03

Probably cost too much.

FALRifle · June 19, 2012, 10:08

more than likely. I have seen some at a local gunshop for 2000. Seems high for a glorified AR unless it has some major improvements and reliability. I would like to know how it compares.

crcksht · June 19, 2012, 11:03

Something to make the SCAR fan-boys cringe. Competition is a good thing.

Sperzuki · June 19, 2012, 12:56

Wow! That's neat. I especially like the adjustable butt-stock. It's hard for me to find one long enough. LOP 14 1/4. My only criticism is that I'd want to see a 7.62 cal.

**xtremerange** · June 19, 2012, 13:10

Remington is just one of many bought by Cerberus Capital. They appear to operate under the umbrella company "The Freedom Group" but I have no idea what their org chart might look like.

**dakdak** · June 19, 2012, 13:52

I believe ex VP, ex Senator, Dan Quayle was originally on the board and most involved with international projects and sales. He may still be there.

**MAINER** · June 20, 2012, 09:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sperzuki

Wow! That's neat. I especially like the adjustable butt-stock. It's hard for me to find one long enough. LOP 14 1/4. My only criticism is that I'd want to see a 7.62 cal.

No problem: Check out the R11- RSASS. Joint project between Remy and JP. I hope that puppy comes with a tool kit!
http://remingtonmilitary.com/

Nice place to shop. Lesee, I'll take a M24, a R5-RGP, a RAHG an one of them R11-RSASS things in .308.

The RAHG hadguard is one of the few that looks like you could hold onto without thinking you got ahold of the business end of a Porkupine.

Remy also got the contract to upgrade the older M24 Snipers.

D P Six · June 22, 2012, 09:06

As an aside, Colt is finding that without the military contracts to live off, there is actually a civilian market place out there.

gus · June 23, 2012, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtremerange

Remington is just one of many bought by Cerberus Capital. They appear to operate under the umbrella company "The Freedom Group" but I have no idea what their org chart might look like.

this is a plot to disarm this nation at best ? i dont like so many companies under one umbrella and who owns Cerberus Capital where the trust does very short ! buy for small and sell high !

gaijinsamurai · June 23, 2012, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtremerange

Remington is just one of many bought by Cerberus Capital. They appear to operate under the umbrella company "The Freedom Group" but I have no idea what their org chart might look like.

They also own Bushmaster and Marlin, as well as a couple of smaller companies.

**StG58Freak** · June 23, 2012, 23:13

The ACR isn't going to replace the AR anytime. It doesn't even run as good as what we have now. Matter of fact the M4A1 and M16A4 won't be replaced anytime soon. All of you piston fan boys take note, your design has not been adopted.

SmokeEater2 · June 24, 2012, 15:10

I must be the only one that can't warm up the SCAR,ACR etc,etc. Looks like Gecko 45 impregnated Tapco's version of an M4.

In case you forgot about Ol' Gecko, the original Mall Ninja-
http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

**Hebrew Battle Rifle** · June 24, 2012, 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeEater2

I must be the only one that can't warm up the SCAR,ACR etc,etc. Looks like Gecko 45 impregnated Tapco's version of an M4.

In case you forgot about Ol' Gecko, the original Mall Ninja-
http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

You aren't alone Smoke. I didn't drink the Kool Aid either.

**Mebsuta** · June 24, 2012, 16:21

The original ACR was heavy and expensive.

They are lighter now and use magnesium alloy receivers. I don't know if that's good or bad or if that will be interesting in a fire.

spider991 · June 24, 2012, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by D P Six

As an aside, Colt is finding that without the military contracts to live off, there is actually a civilian market place out there.

Yup, my buddie bought a Colt m4 at Wally world, i bout passed out.

101ABN327 · June 24, 2012, 18:38

The ACR is a POS, judging by the hate posts all over the internet. People have posted all kinds of bad stuff about them on youtube. SOCOM bought the FN SCAR and it has seen action in the AOR. I don't see the bad press on the SCAR anywhere. I have a heavy and a light and they are the best rifles I have and most accurate. I have 10 FAL of different nationalities and will go to the SCAR every time over the FAL or AR15. It's a quality piece.

101

raexcct2 · June 24, 2012, 22:43

Quote:

SOCOM bought the FN SCAR and it has seen action in the AOR. I don't see the bad press on the SCAR anywhere.

I have family in the military that is actually using the SCAR 17 and he and his team mates are not impressed with the SCAR 17.

According to them, there are too many malfunctions plus buttstock breakages. They were also not impressed with the reciprocating charging handle as they both stated that it contributed to malfunctions.

I was surprised by their comments as I really wanted to buy a SCAR 17 as it feels very well balanced and fits me perfectly. I tried the ACR but it felt like a club, was too muzzle heavy and I couldn't get a good cheek weld with.

I guess you have to be real careful where you place your non firing hand when holding the SCAR 17.

C2A1 · June 25, 2012, 14:17

Big player in Cerberus Capital Management is George Soros ( may have controling interest.) For what it is worth.

**Gary104** · June 25, 2012, 15:43

Maybe not

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/george-soros-gun-grab/

C2A1 · June 25, 2012, 16:14

Thanks for the correction. Makes for a better Monday! ( which started out pretty rough).

JeffJ · June 25, 2012, 20:43

Looks neat, but I will stick with my Noveske...

gaijinsamurai · June 26, 2012, 07:18

^ x2.

I fired a SCAR 17 a few months ago. It was okay, but the reciprocating charging handle was annoying. IMO, it's not worth the $$$ they're asking.

101ABN327 · June 30, 2012, 09:21

Only those with poor shooting habits have issues with the reciprocal charging handle. Funny how you don't hear the same from M-1 and M-14 shooters...

Jaybird · June 30, 2012, 11:45

Robinson Arms has been making this type weapon since 1999. M96 and XCR. It certainly has not taken the military by storm and neither will the ACR.

mace2364 · June 30, 2012, 12:41

Actually, Remington did get a fairly large order of M4 carbines from the military.

My personal take on the ACR is that it simply is too new. They still need to work the bugs out of it. They essentially took a concept rifle and put it into production. Perhaps in some time they'll get it figured out.

Olaf · June 30, 2012, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101ABN327

Only those with poor shooting habits have issues with the reciprocal charging handle. Funny how you don't hear the same from M-1 and M-14 shooters...

HAHAHA you made me remember the first time I shot an M1, it only takes you one time and you NEVER again put your fingers on the op rod when shooting

I have read too much bad stuff about the acr to buy one , and the scar IMHO looks like the AR's ugly fater sister but if I had to choose..... prob the SCAR 17

June 19, 2012, 09:54	#1
homelandprotector Registered FALaholic #: 16592 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 6,136	Remington, fixin to rule the world I've heard that Remington has bought up almost every weapons manufacturer in existence........ maybe I should open a company that build AR rifles so when Remington gets the next GIGANTIC Government contract to build all the new rifles and handguns, they'll buy my company for 1 million dollars (Dr Evil voice). Their newest ACR....... __________________ We need about 3000 Ron Paul's in Washington.....HLP

June 19, 2012, 10:03	#3
Tuscan Raider Registered FALaholic #: 19668 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 2,938	Probably cost too much. __________________ "An eye for an eye makes us all blind." Ghandi "We, here in America, hold in our hands the hopes of the world, the fate of the coming years; and shame and disgrace will be ours if in our eyes the light of high resolve is dimmed, if we trail in the dust the golden hopes of men." Theodore Roosevelt Address at Carnegie Hall March 30, 1912

June 19, 2012, 11:03	#5
crcksht Registered FALaholic #: 15315 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Volunteer State Posts: 1,159	Something to make the SCAR fan-boys cringe. Competition is a good thing. __________________ "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms." "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..." -- Richard Henry Lee - Senator, First Congress "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott, Debates, 425-426) --George Mason

June 19, 2012, 12:56	#6
Sperzuki Registered Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 63037 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 145	Wow! That's neat. I especially like the adjustable butt-stock. It's hard for me to find one long enough. LOP 14 1/4. My only criticism is that I'd want to see a 7.62 cal. __________________ Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get me!!!

June 19, 2012, 13:10	#7
xtremerange Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 4305 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,339	Remington is just one of many bought by Cerberus Capital. They appear to operate under the umbrella company "The Freedom Group" but I have no idea what their org chart might look like. __________________ --David

June 19, 2012, 10:00	#2
FALRifle Registered FALaholic #: 66120 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Plano, Illinois Posts: 429	What is everyones take on these rifles? I have heard such conflicting reviews I have no idea what to believe. I like the design and concept but how do they run?

June 19, 2012, 10:08	#4
FALRifle Registered FALaholic #: 66120 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Plano, Illinois Posts: 429	more than likely. I have seen some at a local gunshop for 2000. Seems high for a glorified AR unless it has some major improvements and reliability. I would like to know how it compares.

June 19, 2012, 13:52	#8
dakdak Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13083 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: U.S. East Coast Posts: 622	Remington parent company I believe ex VP, ex Senator, Dan Quayle was originally on the board and most involved with international projects and sales. He may still be there.

June 22, 2012, 09:06	#10
D P Six Registered FALaholic #: 15219 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,083	As an aside, Colt is finding that without the military contracts to live off, there is actually a civilian market place out there.

June 23, 2012, 23:13	#13
StG58Freak banned Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 21043 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Behind You. Posts: 2,332	The ACR isn't going to replace the AR anytime. It doesn't even run as good as what we have now. Matter of fact the M4A1 and M16A4 won't be replaced anytime soon. All of you piston fan boys take note, your design has not been adopted.

June 24, 2012, 15:10	#14
SmokeEater2 Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 10990 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NC Arkansas Posts: 3,296	I must be the only one that can't warm up the SCAR,ACR etc,etc. Looks like Gecko 45 impregnated Tapco's version of an M4. In case you forgot about Ol' Gecko, the original Mall Ninja- http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/ __________________ "A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards." ~ President Theodore Roosevelt Welcome to New Zimbabwe, Previously known as the United States of America.

June 24, 2012, 16:21	#16
Mebsuta Khemi, Stygia Contributor FALaholic #: 4143 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Khemi, Stygia Posts: 6,294	The original ACR was heavy and expensive. They are lighter now and use magnesium alloy receivers. I don't know if that's good or bad or if that will be interesting in a fire.

June 24, 2012, 18:38	#18
101ABN327 Registered FALaholic #: 19486 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: OKLAHOMA Posts: 5,989	The ACR is a POS, judging by the hate posts all over the internet. People have posted all kinds of bad stuff about them on youtube. SOCOM bought the FN SCAR and it has seen action in the AOR. I don't see the bad press on the SCAR anywhere. I have a heavy and a light and they are the best rifles I have and most accurate. I have 10 FAL of different nationalities and will go to the SCAR every time over the FAL or AR15. It's a quality piece. 101

June 25, 2012, 14:17	#20
C2A1 Registered FALaholic #: 15514 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,009	Big player in Cerberus Capital Management is George Soros ( may have controling interest.) For what it is worth.

June 25, 2012, 15:43	#21
Gary104 Member Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1949 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 152	Maybe not http://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/george-soros-gun-grab/

June 25, 2012, 16:14	#22
C2A1 Registered FALaholic #: 15514 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,009	Thanks for the correction. Makes for a better Monday! ( which started out pretty rough).

June 25, 2012, 20:43	#23
JeffJ Registered FALaholic #: 5212 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 1,971	Looks neat, but I will stick with my Noveske...

June 26, 2012, 07:18	#24
gaijinsamurai Registered FALaholic #: 24362 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 690	^ x2. I fired a SCAR 17 a few months ago. It was okay, but the reciprocating charging handle was annoying. IMO, it's not worth the $$$ they're asking.

June 30, 2012, 09:21	#25
101ABN327 Registered FALaholic #: 19486 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: OKLAHOMA Posts: 5,989	Only those with poor shooting habits have issues with the reciprocal charging handle. Funny how you don't hear the same from M-1 and M-14 shooters...

June 30, 2012, 11:45	#26
Jaybird Registered FALaholic #: 9137 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 85	Robinson Arms has been making this type weapon since 1999. M96 and XCR. It certainly has not taken the military by storm and neither will the ACR.

June 30, 2012, 12:41	#27
mace2364 Registered FALaholic #: 20575 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 276	Actually, Remington did get a fairly large order of M4 carbines from the military. My personal take on the ACR is that it simply is too new. They still need to work the bugs out of it. They essentially took a concept rifle and put it into production. Perhaps in some time they'll get it figured out. __________________ Making the world a better place.........one round at a time.

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