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Old January 28, 2002, 17:58   #1
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FN-49 Survey Has Been Discontinued

After nearly three years, I am discontinuing my FN-49 survey activity. My thanks to all the people who took the time to capture and submit the data on their FN-49 rifles and related equipment over the past 34 months.

The results of the survey, along with several thousand hours of other research, were documented in a recently published 200 page book on the FN-49 (see www.fn49.com).

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Old January 28, 2002, 18:29   #2
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Egyptian 8mm
Serial #173xx.
Crown on receiver ring crest.
No scope cut.
No middle sling swivel.
All matching #'s, but no firing pin safety stop cutout. But does have two piece firing pin.
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Old January 28, 2002, 18:38   #3
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Old January 28, 2002, 19:13   #4
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Have an Egyptian model, # 332xx, all matching, not sure about what to look for re firing pin stop, no middle swivel-has a replacement stock, has crown crest, scope rail.
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Old January 28, 2002, 19:41   #5
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Egyptian contract, serial 5159, crown, no middle sling swivel, no firing pin stop. Scope cut. Original stock with brass butt, 2 piece hand guards. ID disc is missing. HTH, Dan.

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Old January 28, 2002, 20:12   #6
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Egyptian Contract (8x57 chambering – 7.92x57 for you purists):

- Serial Number
5831 in English numerals on L
receiver rail, and in Arabic on LS
of ring and everywhere else

- Receiver ring crest (crown or eagle)?
Crown
- Have scope cut on left receiver rail?
NO
- Have a middle sling swivel located about 2” in front of the magazine?
NO
- Note: The next question is only for rifles
with all-matching serial numbers:
Is the bolt machined to take a firing pin
safety stop?
YES
In addition:
- Nose cap on muzzle, but not welded on
- Barrel has import marked on RS near FH:
"CAI St A VT"
"M49 7.92"
- Brass unit disc on RS of buttstock
- PG has "K-over-Z" embossing on forward part of grip
- Not select-fire
- Brass buttplate
- Stock SN mismatched: 10554 in Arabic numerals, on LS just above safety pivot
- intact bayonet mount

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Old January 28, 2002, 20:59   #7
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Topic "Topped" so it won't get lost in the crowd. Good Luck with your survey
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Old January 28, 2002, 21:32   #8
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Agentine Navy Serial number 0017.
No scope cut
paint over park

Argentine Navy Serial number 3486
no scope cut
paint over park

45869 on top cover. D10639 on R receiver in the same spot I'd expect the number, but in tiny font.


eagle
yes scope cut
Sling mount far forward (repo stock)
non-matching bolt. 34848 machined for fp safety, but safety is absent,

bolt is marked ".30" on top, even though an 8mm

27628
Crown
yes scope cut
no sling mount and
no FP safety

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Old January 28, 2002, 22:21   #9
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Egytian 8mm
Serial D104XX
Eagle on receiver
no scope cut
painted over park
repro stock w/plastic buttpad
non-matching
type III bolt without firing pin stop groove

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Old January 28, 2002, 22:23   #10
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Venezuelan Contract (7x57 chambering):

Serial number
Have cartouche on the right side of the buttstock? If so, does it read “Fuerzas Armadas Venezuela” or something different?
Does the rear guard screw (behind trigger guard) have a small lock screw?
Optional question: If you already know - 2-piece or 1-piece handguard? (requires removal of stock end cap and loosening the lower band to find out – don’t disassemble your rifle just for this survey ! )

Note: It’s generally accepted that all Venezuelans had the scope cut and muzzle brake so I am not surveying for that data.

Here you go,
Serial # 67X
1 Piece Handguard
No lock screw an rearmost triggerguard screw, although the center and forward screws do have "dual screws"
Cartouche, well here's the deal. There is no cartouche on this rifle, I bought it from my friend who bought a crate of them in 1967-68!
This is the last one that he had left and he sold it to me so I wouldn't get it for free when he dies! "he drives a hard bargin" The rifle is un-mollested since he aquired it from the distributer. I have no idea why it doesn't have a cartouche but I can tell it has not been sanded and bubba has never had his hands on this one! It's a beautiful example and it is pristeen. Let me know if you want to know more.
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Wow - My thanks to the Moderator for "Topping" this thread.

For all - In case you want to take a look, I posted a pic of the different bolts over at: http://pub42.ezboard.com/fparallaxsc...icID=613.topic This pic shows the 2 different types of FP stops.

NC Rifleman - you should be able to identify your bolt from the pic referenced above.

Gunplumber - I gotcha on your 2 Argentines and your first Egyptian. Confirm on your 2nd Egyptian (#276XX) that it DOES have the scope cut.

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Old January 28, 2002, 22:42   #12
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cllary - does your rifle have a black plastic buttplate and a repro stock? Serial numbers matching or no ?????

Mouse - your rifle sounds perfect. We're finding out the Vennies aren't all the same after all. From the data so far, the early ones have no cartouche and a trigger guard with no rear lock screw - later ones do!

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Old January 28, 2002, 22:56   #13
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Egyptian Contract
Serial Number 250xx
Receiver ring crest (crown or eagle)>> Crown
Have scope cut on left receiver rail>> NO
Have a middle sling swivel located about 2” in front of the magazine>> NO
Note: The next question is only for rifles with all-matching serial numbers:
Is the bolt machined to take a firing pin safety stop>> NO
GL with Survey

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Old January 28, 2002, 23:09   #14
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Venezuelan '49

Paint over park finish.

SN# 506X

“Fuerzas Armadas Venezuela” cartouche - YES

2 piece handguard

Does the rear guard screw (behind trigger guard) have a small lock screw? - YES

Bolt carrier SN# is not matching. It is apparently from the rifle 3 down from mine in the series. I wonder if it was an arms room mix up or quick fix?

No SN# on stock but it has been sanded lightly. In my opinion not hard enough to remove the SN#.

One piece firing pin (in the white or chromed.)

The two main differences from my 30.06 '49 (besides caliber, muzzle brake, and scope cut are that the charging handle is knurled (smooth on the 30.06) and the top cover release lever is thinner (and simpler) and does not lock in a detent when moved into position for removal

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Old January 28, 2002, 23:22   #15
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Squint - Thanks again for contributing.

I knew about the knurling differences on the bolt carrier charging handle but decided not to go there . . . as then I'd have to assure that the bolt carrier ser.no. matched the receiver. In general, I agree with you, most 30-06s and Argentines had smooth cocking handles. It seems ALL Vennies and Egyptians were knurled. BUT, I had a Luxie with all matching numbers that had a knurled handle AND, I still have a spare bolt carrier that is half and half !

The receiver cover latch differences are already known too.

But keep that eye peeled for any other differences!

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Old January 29, 2002, 21:11   #16
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Gunplumber/Mark - Caught your edit - thanks

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Egyptian 8mm
Serial #275XX
Crown crest
No scope cut
No middle swivel
Not matching
Two piece firing pin

Egyptian 8mm
Serial #D113XX
Eagle crest
Scope cut
No middle swivel
Not matching
Two piece firing pin

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Sledgehammer - thanks for the data. Also sent you an email with a few more questions.

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Old January 31, 2002, 18:45   #19
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FN-49 Egyptian contract 8mm.

S/N 320xx
Receiver-crown
Scope rail-no
Middle swivel- no
Matching No.'s-Don't think so, but I didn't have a chance to tear it down and look. Top cover finish does not match rest of rifle, looks new. No numbers visible externally.

Other-Brass butt plate.

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Old January 31, 2002, 18:47   #20
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Argie 7.62-all matching-05xx, no scope cut,originally black paint over park, and the damn muzzle nut is welded on per BATF at time of import(if anyone has any luck getting one of these off, I'd like to hear about it!)
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Egyptian 8mm
Serial #141XX
Crown crest
No scope cut
No middle swivel
Two piece firing pin
Machined for firing pin safety stop, but none present.
no matching #s

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sledgehammer - caught your edit and your email - thanks again.

K. Funk - Can you do me a favor and check again on your left receiver rail for a machined dovetail for the scope mount? I posted a pic of the left receiver rails at the following link. Let me know which one looks like your rifle: http://www.gunboards.com/forums/Ultr...55&SID=1003621

jramos - Thanks for the info . . . and I don't even know if it's legal to break the weld on the nut . . . too many laws!

woodie - You didn't say, but does the serial number of your bolt match your receiver?

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Old February 01, 2002, 11:41   #23
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Egyptian contract, serial 1499X - all matching, crown, no middle sling swivel or scope cut, bolt cut for but no firing pin stop. Original stock with brass butt, but washer in place of ID disc, barrel marked CAI St A VT; M49 7.92. Nice solid but used rifle. Parkerized. I bought this from Century in the early-1980's and don't remember ever firing it.
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It'll be intersting to figure out what the Egyptian SN 'break' is on the ring marking: Crown (King) or Eagle (Abdel Nasser). SO far I have the low SN for the Egyptian. the 6xx Vennie is WAY low!

And two Egyptians?! Hoarder!

Mine is like Ken's, CAI M49, and it's nice to know it's WAY pre-ban! I've replaced the muzzle protector w/ a G-3 FH, and it looks somehow 'right'. I may have to manufacture a replica FH of the correct dimensions, so that I can mount the evil bayonet for photo purposes!

Ken- they are a sweet, easy shooter!

Anybody else got FN-49 bayonet? Want to start and additional C&R thread on the FN bayonets?!
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Does the G3 flashhider thread right on? One thing that always bothered me about my FN49 was the silly looking thread protector. I was a dealer back then and, if I can find copies of my paperwork, I'll let know know the exact year.
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Thats why I'd like to get the welded nut off my Argie if it's legal and doable without major surgery. I have one of the flash/hiders Sarco used to sell for my Egyptian and it looks good and works as a pretty good brake -I'd also like to try the G-3 brake. Any one have thoughts on the legality of braking the weld and using a F/H as opposed to a break?
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Just FYI - so far the lowest SN Egyptian in the survey (remember this is posted on 5 boards) is 11XX. Lowest Vennie is 2-digit (XX).

As of right now, I'm only seeing the Eagle crest on Century rebuild guns with "D" series serial numbers. I have a theory on this but would need to find someone that worked at Century 10-12 years ago to know for sure. Anybody have any contacts at Century ????

Ken - like Ted said - take your rifle out and shoot it (after making sure it has a 2-piece firing pin).

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speaking of the 8mm 49, where do i get a good book on how to assemble, and headspace one of these bad boys
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I feel real dumb, , scope rail YES, full cut. It didn't look like a scope rail, really. You have to believe me!! I'm not that inept.

Anyhow, To avoid further embarassment, I took off the top cover (which has no number, but some small proof marks) and pulled the bolt and carrier. The carrier has Egyptian script that does not match the script on the receiver and the bolt has no number. The wood appears to be stained birch (like new) and the barrel is stamped CIA with the welded-on nut. Hope this helps,

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krf - No problem, I just wanted to double check as your rifle is in the range where the scope cut is pretty standard.

Part of this is my fault too, cause I could have posted pics along with the survey questions to show what I was looking for!

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Just now had time to strip and view all parts of my Egyptian '49. Early to mid '80's CAI gun. Thread protector doesn't seem to be welded. Stock is all that's not matching, but close. Brass butt w/trap. Only one band/swivel. SN 15830, "crown" crest on rcvr top. No second screw @ rear TG. Bolt cut for FP stop (as per pics on link), but no extra pc as stop!? Fully knurled CH. Usual proofs (?) 'H' under arrow/flag (?)abound.

I do have some rather strange markings in/on the piece. A "+6" stamped on one side of dovetailed front sight, with "7.2" opposite. Same "7.2" inside on rcvr flat, just behind the hammer relief cut. Behind that, at the far rear on the flat is s small "303" WTF? "Inspected by #303"???

Can't tell if it has a one or two pc pin; and don't know how (yet!) to pull it anyway.

Did I miss anything else you wanted?

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ps. Any way to adj gas w/o removing band/HG???
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speaking of the 8mm 49, where do i get a good book on how to assemble, and headspace one of these bad boys

Get Joe Poyer's book from North cape Publications. Advertise in SGN, etc.
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Paul - Thanks for the data. You have a typical mid-range rifle. The big news out of this survey is that we're now seeing some of these rifles, like yours, that have matching serial numbers that are fitted with a Venezualan-type bolt with the FP Stop cut but no stop installed. This goes against the popular theory that all Egyptians were fitted with non-cut bolts and against Poyer's statement in his book.

On your front sight stamping - that is typical and is also what is installed in my Egyptian. I have recorded on my own rifles front sight numbers of 5.4, 6, 6.2, 6.4, 7, & 7.2 - most likely = sight height but haven't measured to be sure. Just FYI, your rear sight leaf will also have a number stamped on it (between 1 and 4) and this most likely refers to apeture diameter (again, I haven't gotten a hold of some plug gages to find out).

On the receiver stamping, are you sure it's a "7.2" or "7.9" Most Egyptians and many 30-06s will have "7.9" or "30" stamped in that location indicating caliber.

Don't know about the "303" stamping. I've been too busy with the big stuff so far to start to take on these kinds of things.

On your bolt - take a look at the right side and you'll see where the extractor spring (long, flat piece on outside of bolt) hooks over the rear end of the extractor. On the top of the extractor spring, you'll see a little notch. This notch was designed to be engaged with a bullet tip and used to pry the extractor spring downward. Once the extractor spring has rotated down a bit it will release the extractor which just falls out. Continue to rotate the extractor spring down until it's almost 90deg rotated. At that time, push in on the exposed rear of the firing pin, which releases the extractor spring. Then shake firing pin (1-piece or 2-pieces) and the firing pin spring out of the firing pin channel in the bolt. Assembly is reverse!

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P.S. There's no way to adjust the gas without removing the handguard - the theory then was that the armorer would do that and they didn't want the cotton-picking GIs messing with that!
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Egyptian Contract 8mm
Serial # 261xx
Crown on receiver ring
No scope cut
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Repro stock
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Cut for F.P. safety stop, but none present
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Thanks for contributing. BTW, is your bolt the same serial number as your receiver? The bolt serial number will be in Arabic and you can compare to the Arabic serial number on the receiver (or use the numbers on the rear sight to translate the Arabic numbers).

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This bolt is mismatched, as it has EVVO (as Arabic).HTH
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This bolt is mismatched, as it has EVVO (as Arabic).HTH
Thanks for the come-back. Translated, I believe your bolt number is "4775"

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Thanks for the come-back. Translated, I believe your bolt number is "4775"

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Any more FN49 owners want to come out and play? I've got data on over 170 rifles now . . . anybody wanna help me make it to 200 !

Come on you guys . . . I know there's more rifles out there . . . give the Goose a hand !



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Old February 08, 2002, 00:01   #40
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Hey Goose,
Mine is a Luxie in '-06. The serial number is 11XX. It has the AL stamp on it. Just in front of the trigger guard is a proof stamp on the wood the looks like a script upper case R inside a circle. It has the baked black enamel finish on it. It does have the scope dovetail. The scope I have on mine says,

A.B.L.-1951
V5-0S 784-010B.G.
TIR. EL. TELESC. SCHERPSCH

up on the sunshade it reads,
A.B.L.
No. 1122

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Old February 08, 2002, 00:46   #41
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Just wanna check to be sure - your serial number is 11XX - that's the serial number that is on the receiver ring???

Do all serial numbers match on this rifle - receiver, receiver cover, bolt carrier, bolt, stock ???

Let me know!

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Old February 08, 2002, 00:58   #42
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"Do all serial numbers match on this rifle - receiver, receiver cover, bolt carrier, bolt, stock ???"

That's a big a-ffirmative. All numbers are the same. I cannot find a number on the stock...only the circle/script R in front of the magazine.

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Old February 08, 2002, 09:14   #43
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Thanks - I just wanted to double-check. Most of the Luxies with the scope cut are in the Ser.No. 5000 range or higher. There have been just a few reported below the 5000 range like yours.

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Egytian 8x57mm
serial#284xx
crested
scope cut-yes
no middle sling swivel. Century rifle with plastic butt.
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Old February 14, 2002, 23:01   #45
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Thanks for the info. When you say "crested" . . . I bet you meant the crown crest, right?

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There is an Eagle crested Egyptian '49 for sale on Auction Arms or For the Hunt right now. I forgot which one. CAI import with the replacement stock. Maybe you could ask the seller what the serial # is. It is also cut for a scope mount.
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I sent an email to the seller yesterday . . . !

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Old February 15, 2002, 19:56   #48
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The stoving job on his rifle looks perfect. It may be the original finish or an arsenal refinish and they just didn't get a stock with it. I don't think CAI repainted the rifles. My CAI Egyptian was just parked.
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Hey Goose i havent got mine yet but the manual i got with was printed in 1971 it was edited by Donald B McLean i dont know if that book will help or not
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I have several copies of the McLean book, printed by two different publishers. Until the Poyer book came along, the McLean book was really the ONLY FN49 book available.

If you're interested, follow the below link over to a thread on GunBoards where we discussed available FN49 literature: http://www.gunboards.com/forums/Ultr...37&SID=1104019

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