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Old June 08, 2012, 23:37   #1
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Izzy FAL?

My first post in the FN section! I normally hide in the Inch section as I live in New Zealand with plenty of L1A1s around but I picked up this interesting FAL today and im not sure what its story is.

There is what looks like a little tiny Star of David on the mag well lightening cut and a whole bunch of Belgian proof marks.
The numbers match on the upper and lower, bolt and carrier and the barrel.
It still has the saftey sear and hammer fitted. There is no serial number inside the mag well like ive seen on other FALs.
Its fairly scruffy and was severely overpriced which is why it was in the shop for so long but it was heavily reduced today and I took the bait, I couldnt resist!

Who can ID this one? I have no Metric FAL books to look up so its just me and Google so far!

Im looking forward to firing this one, my first "real" FN FAL, ive only ever had Lithgow L1A1s until now.

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Old June 08, 2012, 23:42   #2
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Old June 08, 2012, 23:42   #3
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You appear to be the second one in the last week... Israeli

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331142
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Old June 08, 2012, 23:48   #4
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Old June 08, 2012, 23:59   #5
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You appear to be the second one in the last week... Israeli

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331142
Interesting!!

Thats clears it up right there, mid-late 1960s Israeli surplus.

Its definately a keeper.
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Old June 09, 2012, 08:12   #6
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I have two very similar to the one shown though deactivated versions. They have more or less the same features - the small Star of David on the RHS mag well, Type 2 receiver, otherwise FN markings. Also, Israeli markings on one of the magazines. The only difference is that the two I have were fitted with forward-assist charging handles, as one might expect on an Israeli FAL.

On mine, the FN serial numbers (as opposed to the contract serial), both located by the magazine well - are 710831 and 710388, respectively. Apparently, this means in theory that these are the 710,831st and 710,388th FALs to come off the production line? I would be interested to know what date this should align to? Also, as I understand it, Israel manufactured their own FALs, so are these early FN-manufactured FALs supplied to Israel?

Having just looked at the other thread, these ones are also characterised by lack of grenade sight gas plug. They both have all plastic furniture. One has residual camouflage which suggests an army unit(?). It is definitely not a Rhodesian example.

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Old June 09, 2012, 14:57   #7
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What a coincidence.

Your rifle is exactly the same, condition, configuration and marking wise, to one that I was gathering providence info on for a local museum here.

They are only about 500 numbers apart SN wise, and one ends up in NZ, the other in Canada, and it seems a couple in the UK !

Still not clear why the Israelis purchased "off the shelf" FALs from FN at that time, mid to late sixties, when they had their own particular model and production. My only hypothesis is that they were to replace losses in combat or in anticipation of expanded needs, given the tumultuous situation in the Middle East back then.

From what I can gather these standard metric FNs were imported to Canada in the 80s along with a bunch of ex-Israeli M14s.
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Old June 09, 2012, 15:11   #8
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Israeli State police Fal,s

Most likely Israeli State Police, Not Israeli Army or Air Force.
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Old June 09, 2012, 16:59   #9
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I believe these were imported into NZ in the 1980s as well, I have shooting magazines from the 1980s which have adverts selling Israeli FNs and M14s and FN G1s.
Alot of FNs in NZ were used as 'chopper guns' for Deer culling and were chopped and changed and shot out.
I was looking through a pile of cracked FN uppers a few days ago, all ex chopper guns that have been shot to death and they were all cracked through the locking shoulder area.
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Old June 09, 2012, 23:44   #10
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Looks beautiful to me! Awesome rifle! Wish we could own something like that here.

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Old April 15, 2013, 12:51   #11
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Now they turned up in Luxembourg.
def90 helped me to ID the FAL
The local gunstore had about 10 for sale.
I bought one


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