The Empire Strikes Back

V guy · June 06, 2012, 11:00

The Empire State has been enforcing "the gun show loophole," and arresting individuals in stings, same as the BATFE.

http://www.ag.ny.gov/press-release/a...-investigation

Apparently, undercover State Police made arrangements to buy firearms from individuals they met at smaller NYS gunshows, and to do so "off premises."

They also told the sellers that they "probably would not pass," a NICS check.

What's more the Gunshow Promotor, is ALSO responsible for ANY person sellng a gun and failing to get a NICS check on the buyer, even when the undercover state police arrange to buy it at the guys home.

It IS legal for an individual, to sell guns without an FFL, at a gunshow, as long as a NICS check is conducted by the show operator.
The BATFE frown on this practice of non FFL holders selling, even IF NICS checks are conducted.

Apparently, the whole city/area for a radius of 50 miles from the gunshow epicenter, comes under the gunshow regulation that day; i.e. you cannot sell a gun FtF anywhere in the locale, during the gunshow; or immediately before or after, but the exact time frame has not been determined. Apparently gunshows spur FtF gun sales,by the general population.

The problem is that there is no legal requirement for FtF transaction to get a NICS check,------EXCEPT, DURING, OR AT, A NYS GUNSHOW.

The NEACA President is under investigation, for those shows are under his promotion, and responsibility, if any guns are sold FtF in the general geographic area, during the gunshow, & before and after.
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In another case, the State Police raided a gunstore and arrested the owner for warning that pin removal on a fixed stock NY compliant AR15 clone was illegal and showing how it could be done, but not to do it after a "customer" asked.
The cops also allegedly pounded the stocks on the counter to show how flimsy Colt and Bushmasters method of stock pinning is. The owner was arrested for selling assault weapons.

According to the link below there is a settlement pending.
http://www.murthalawfirm.com/nassau-...un-store-raids

It is still legal to buy a firearm from a dealer and go through a NICS check.
They have not figured out how to stop those sales yet.
Boomburg is likely working on THAT!!

Bama Steve · June 06, 2012, 14:42

Entrapment?

Selling private property on private property?

RG Coburn · June 06, 2012, 16:34

Seig Heil....

STGThndr · June 06, 2012, 22:48

Similar law in Colorado. How is someone supposed to know there's a gunshow in a city 40 miles away? It's not theirs, or my, responsibility to exchange info. I can see a lot of trouble caused by something like this.. especially for those who don't go to gunshows on account of the hassle and they arent much fun anymore!

thunderchicken · June 07, 2012, 11:10

Clearly a first rate AG's office. I don't even think about half of these guns even exist.
The gun types included:

3 AR-15 (Assault Rifles) (don't think there is any such thing as an assault rifle definition at least in federal law anymore)
1 semi-automatic rifle called a "Mauser" (from Czech Republic) (wtf?)
1 Savage 7mm Rifle
1 Remington Model 710
1 Colt 7.72 x39 (7.72!)
1 Enfield Military rifle (pattern 1853?)
1 Browning .22 cal, model 235 (model 235?!)
1 Ithaca .22 gauge (Gauge?!)
1 Remington 25.06

sf46 · June 07, 2012, 16:33

Dummies!

randy762ak · June 09, 2012, 20:28

If someone says --I cant Pass a Nics check at a gun show --You can bet they are a sting operation... We always go to the parking lot and down the road and make the deal-No money changes hands on GS property..

I know one guy who was busted -sold an AR 15 he bought from his FFL dad -he got busted By blooming idiotburgs guys at Rochester GS,, he sold the gun and a month later they came after him ---

E5c03 · June 09, 2012, 22:48

WHY sell to anyone who couldn't pass a background check?

juanni · June 11, 2012, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by E5c03

WHY sell to anyone who couldn't pass a background check?

Why would anyone live in NY?

...............juanni

bakerjw · June 11, 2012, 05:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by E5c03

WHY sell to anyone who couldn't pass a background check?

Exactly. This just seems to be common sense to me.

randy762ak · June 11, 2012, 18:20

Why would anyone live in NY?

I second the motion==We have been to VA 2 times checking it out..saving up to escape from NY...

June 06, 2012, 11:00	#1
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,184	The Empire Strikes Back The Empire State has been enforcing "the gun show loophole," and arresting individuals in stings, same as the BATFE. http://www.ag.ny.gov/press-release/a...-investigation Apparently, undercover State Police made arrangements to buy firearms from individuals they met at smaller NYS gunshows, and to do so "off premises." They also told the sellers that they "probably would not pass," a NICS check. What's more the Gunshow Promotor, is ALSO responsible for ANY person sellng a gun and failing to get a NICS check on the buyer, even when the undercover state police arrange to buy it at the guys home. It IS legal for an individual, to sell guns without an FFL, at a gunshow, as long as a NICS check is conducted by the show operator. The BATFE frown on this practice of non FFL holders selling, even IF NICS checks are conducted. Apparently, the whole city/area for a radius of 50 miles from the gunshow epicenter, comes under the gunshow regulation that day; i.e. you cannot sell a gun FtF anywhere in the locale, during the gunshow; or immediately before or after, but the exact time frame has not been determined. Apparently gunshows spur FtF gun sales,by the general population. The problem is that there is no legal requirement for FtF transaction to get a NICS check,------EXCEPT, DURING, OR AT, A NYS GUNSHOW. The NEACA President is under investigation, for those shows are under his promotion, and responsibility, if any guns are sold FtF in the general geographic area, during the gunshow, & before and after. -------- In another case, the State Police raided a gunstore and arrested the owner for warning that pin removal on a fixed stock NY compliant AR15 clone was illegal and showing how it could be done, but not to do it after a "customer" asked. The cops also allegedly pounded the stocks on the counter to show how flimsy Colt and Bushmasters method of stock pinning is. The owner was arrested for selling assault weapons. According to the link below there is a settlement pending. http://www.murthalawfirm.com/nassau-...un-store-raids It is still legal to buy a firearm from a dealer and go through a NICS check. They have not figured out how to stop those sales yet. Boomburg is likely working on THAT!!

June 06, 2012, 14:42	#2
Bama Steve Registered FALaholic #: 1982 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Where I am Posts: 3,594	Entrapment? Selling private property on private property? __________________ Being dyslexic has a bright side - it's easy to put things back together

June 06, 2012, 22:48	#4
STGThndr Registered FALaholic #: 14583 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Southern Colorado mtns and desert Posts: 3,409	Similar law in Colorado. How is someone supposed to know there's a gunshow in a city 40 miles away? It's not theirs, or my, responsibility to exchange info. I can see a lot of trouble caused by something like this.. especially for those who don't go to gunshows on account of the hassle and they arent much fun anymore! __________________ Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B Yeats

June 07, 2012, 16:33	#6
sf46 Registered FALaholic #: 590 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: USA Posts: 802	Dummies! __________________ For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Romans 13:4 - God's description of cops http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member1194.png

June 09, 2012, 22:48	#8
E5c03 Registered FALaholic #: 18505 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 610	WHY sell to anyone who couldn't pass a background check? __________________ Talega Zone Recon Marine SEMPER FIDELIS

June 06, 2012, 16:34	#3
RG Coburn Registered FALaholic #: 27406 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,848	Seig Heil....

June 07, 2012, 11:10	#5
thunderchicken Registered FALaholic #: 7650 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,268	Clearly a first rate AG's office. I don't even think about half of these guns even exist. The gun types included: 3 AR-15 (Assault Rifles) (don't think there is any such thing as an assault rifle definition at least in federal law anymore) 1 semi-automatic rifle called a "Mauser" (from Czech Republic) (wtf?) 1 Savage 7mm Rifle 1 Remington Model 710 1 Colt 7.72 x39 (7.72!) 1 Enfield Military rifle (pattern 1853?) 1 Browning .22 cal, model 235 (model 235?!) 1 Ithaca .22 gauge (Gauge?!) 1 Remington 25.06

June 09, 2012, 20:28	#7
randy762ak Registered FALaholic #: 25888 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: From the commie state of stinking NY Posts: 1,479	If someone says --I cant Pass a Nics check at a gun show --You can bet they are a sting operation... We always go to the parking lot and down the road and make the deal-No money changes hands on GS property.. I know one guy who was busted -sold an AR 15 he bought from his FFL dad -he got busted By blooming idiotburgs guys at Rochester GS,, he sold the gun and a month later they came after him ---

June 11, 2012, 18:20	#11
randy762ak Registered FALaholic #: 25888 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: From the commie state of stinking NY Posts: 1,479	Why would anyone live in NY? I second the motion==We have been to VA 2 times checking it out..saving up to escape from NY...

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