Texas Voting Results are in. Romney over the top.

[EPC WN]

I know I've asked this before but why do you consider constitutional values fringe? I find that one discrepancy in how you refer to people somewhat leering. I think for the most part everyone here agrees that this country has diverted seriously off course. It just comes down to what degree do we turn the wheel to correct the bearing. I just don't think Romney will turn the wheel enough to make any difference.

[FAL freek]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Liberals want diversity in everything except your opinion.

Sound familiar? If its gonna be your signature try living by it. Don't like what I'm saying? Too bad.

Bet you're heartily patting yourself on the back for that one troll. Political junkies come on this site every election cycle and think they've all got some sort of original spin on current debates, I gave you an opening to expose yourself and you jumped right through it.

You're a legend in your own mind.

[Pistolwiz]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

I know I've asked this before but why do you consider constitutional values fringe? I find that one discrepancy in how you refer to people somewhat leering. I think for the most part everyone here agrees that this country has diverted seriously off course. It just comes down to what degree do we turn the wheel to correct the bearing. I just don't think Romney will turn the wheel enough to make any difference.

Romney won't turn the wheel at all.... Any more than Barry Soetero, Bush, Clinton, Bush1, Reagan...etc..... He will continue on with the killing of our republic. And if he does win.... I doubt that BTW.... he will kill this republic being cheered on by our own.

It's amazing how fear will make people do stupid things. Supporting a "lesser evil" is out of fear. Not out of moral courage or a stand on principles. Principles don't matter to those in fear.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by FAL freek

Bet you're heartily patting yourself on the back for that one troll. Political junkies come on this site every election cycle and think they've all got some sort of original spin on current debates, I gave you an opening to expose yourself and you jumped right through it.

You're a legend in your own mind.

If you don't like to hear Romney isn't half a degree different than Obama I'll be your troll. My ideas of how things should be aren't new, they were written into a 236 year old document this country is based on. Yet you'll sell your soul just to get Obama out of office. Even if it is to a white guy with similar political leanings. You're a legend because your antiquated world views will be considered by historians to be the bleakest time in future books of American History. As if you allowed me to expose myself because you calculated that risk. Don't leave yourself so wide open for easy comebacks with idiot commentary. You'll at least seem wiser.

[Roadmarker]

LOL, If folks don't see Romney as the answer this election cycle, just what are they looking for?
He will set up the environment to create jobs, a lot of jobs.
He will stop Obamacare.
He will cut spending.
He will not legalize pot.....That's where we lose the Ron Paul guys.

I'm pretty dang excited that Mitt is the guy going to Washington. Remember he was too conservative in 2008.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a flat tax in his first term.
I am behind Romney 100%. I saw what Reagan was about back in the 80's and see a lot of the same things out of canidate Romney.
Maybe he is the guy to curb unions and give Americans the right to work.

I don't see Mitt as the type to go around apologizing for these United States.
Our country has been the greatest country doing the greatest good in the world since 1776. We will overcome Obama, his policies and the extreme left.

Please get informed on the issues and vote.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

He will not legalize pot.....That's where we lose the Ron Paul guys.

Actually you lost the Ron Paul guys with Romneycare and a permanent assault rifle ban signed by your presumptuous candidate.
Before that you lost the conservatives to Ron Paul and others by running McCain.
Romney would make a great democrat but he's a piss poor example of a Republican.

[101ABN327]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

A vote for Ron Paul is NOT a vote for Obama, it is a vote for RON PAUL. Arrogant Pr!cks... My vote for Ron Paul would NOT have gone to Romney had Paul not been running. I would NEVER vote for such an amorphous blob as my representative for president. If you spineless amoebas don't have a problem with someone of your own similar undefined shape and character not truly representing your views, all the while holding your nose as you vote for your pasty savior, you have found your perfect candidate. And when nothing really changes, and you see in your gathering twilight the impending hindsight error in your own pandering ways, you'll wake up to your grandchildren enslaved on the continent conquered by our mighty forefathers. And for what? Your convictions? There is no keyboard short cut that can adequately express how hard I'm laughing about that notion. Your convictions... HA!

It may not be a vote for Obama but it's an abstain vote what counts for nothing, same as staying home. Why vote at all? Why not just stay on the sofa and drink beer, bellyaching about the injustice of Ron Paul not getting elected. You guys need to look at the big picture and pull your bottom lips in...

[FAL freek]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

If you don't like to hear Romney isn't half a degree different than Obama I'll be your troll. My ideas of how things should be aren't new, they were written into a 236 year old document this country is based on. Yet you'll sell your soul just to get Obama out of office. Even if it is to a white guy with similar political leanings. You're a legend because your antiquated world views will be considered by historians to be the bleakest time in future books of American History. As if you allowed me to expose myself because you calculated that risk. Don't leave yourself so wide open for easy comebacks with idiot commentary. You'll at least seem wiser.

You are aware that you've just proven my point again right? First off I'm no Romney fan. Second you're just throwing insults around to start debate, you keep showing you don't know the first thing about me.

I tire of this so fire back with another insult laden retort to try and earn some stature to make yourself feel better and prove me right again but I'm done playing.

[2barearms]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

LOL, If folks don't see Romney as the answer this election cycle, just what are they looking for?
He will set up the environment to create jobs, a lot of jobs.
He will stop Obamacare.
He will cut spending.
He will not legalize pot.....That's where we lose the Ron Paul guys.

I'm pretty dang excited that Mitt is the guy going to Washington. Remember he was too conservative in 2008.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a flat tax in his first term.
I am behind Romney 100%. I saw what Reagan was about back in the 80's and see a lot of the same things out of canidate Romney.
Maybe he is the guy to curb unions and give Americans the right to work.

I don't see Mitt as the type to go around apologizing for these United States.
Our country has been the greatest country doing the greatest good in the world since 1776. We will overcome Obama, his policies and the extreme left.

Please get informed on the issues and vote.

You might want to start running for cover, you just kicked a Ronbot tree
full of Black Hornets.

How dare you engage in telling the truth (even though I despise Romney)
he's a better choice that the guy with the D.

[EPC WN]

You should send this guy a link to the flopper video you posted a few weeks back. Oh the convictions! At least someone is excited about the CONSERVATIVE (oh man that shit still cracks me up) Mitt Romney. I just can't trust which guy will actually be showing up for the job. Its the flip of a coin from where I'm sitting. By most definitions Romney is a right leaning democrat and some of Obama's policies make him look like a flat out liberal in comparision. You should do your homework instead of watching Fox news to be told how to vote sir.

[EPC WN]

And why don't you do the same thing? Your state has already voted. Don't need to waste your gas for the drive. Every county a red state right? My vote actually counts on the other hand. And it will not be going to Mitt or Barry. YMMV

Originally Posted by 101ABN327

It may not be a vote for Obama but it's an abstain vote what counts for nothing, same as staying home. Why vote at all? Why not just stay on the sofa and drink beer, bellyaching about the injustice of Ron Paul not getting elected. You guys need to look at the big picture and pull your bottom lips in...

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by FAL freek

You are aware that you've just proven my point again right? First off I'm no Romney fan. Second you're just throwing insults around to start debate, you keep showing you don't know the first thing about me.

I tire of this so fire back with another insult laden retort to try and earn some stature to make yourself feel better and prove me right again but I'm done playing.

I.ll play nice. I don't understand. If this guy doesn't Rep you why support him? If I recall correctly I have never initiated contact with you. But you have started with "morons like him" in reference to myself. I don't put up with that. So I apologize if I came back bitter. I need to know how a guy with little fanfare and flopped policies gets into the position we find Romney in? Nobody really likes this guy and he's about to run for president?

[Roadmarker]

It's a free country....still. Vote your conscience. I like a lot of what Ron Paul had to say about our economic policies and slashing spending.
His foreign policy was the hard part to swallow. Theoretically isolationism is appealling, but it doesn't work. Problems tend to grow and knock from your doorstep whether you like it or not. Face it, we are a world power and folks look to us to lead. That said we don't need to be THE policeman or get into nation building. We just need to look after our interests.
Let's keep the tone civil, this a good site. I'm just saying conservatives need to stick together if we want to see real change. You'll be surprised at what can be done when we get the Senate back and Romney is elected as President.
Remember Ron Paul guys, it's is easier to get change when your party is in power. Look at what Reagan did after the failed Carter term. Things are looking up America, and they are about to get even better.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by 101ABN327

It may not be a vote for Obama but it's an abstain vote what counts for nothing, same as staying home. Why vote at all? Why not just stay on the sofa and drink beer, bellyaching about the injustice of Ron Paul not getting elected. You guys need to look at the big picture and pull your bottom lips in...

I see the big picture.
You're looking through a pinhole.
I can hardly wait to listen to your bellyaching when the elections are over.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

It's a free country....still. Vote your conscience. I like a lot of what Ron Paul had to say about our economic policies and slashing spending.
His foreign policy was the hard part to swallow. Theoretically isolationism is appealling, but it doesn't work. Problems tend to grow and knock from your doorstep whether you like it or not. Face it, we are a world power and folks look to us to lead. That said we don't need to be THE policeman or get into nation building. We just need to look after our interests.
Let's keep the tone civil, this a good site. I'm just saying conservatives need to stick together if we want to see real change. You'll be surprised at what can be done when we get the Senate back and Romney is elected as President.
Remember Ron Paul guys, it's is easier to get change when your party is in power. Look at what Reagan did after the failed Carter term. Things are looking up America, and they are about to get even better.

The fact that you bring up the RNC catchword "isolationism" tells me you know virtually nothing about Ron Paul.

[Roadmarker]

Educate me on his foreign policy then. I'm willing to listen.

[GuitarBob]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

Educate me on his foreign policy then. I'm willing to listen.

Oh this should be interesting.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

Educate me on his foreign policy then. I'm willing to listen.

Not to be impolite but educate yourself.
The information is all there if you look for it like you should have to begin with if you honestly vetted the candidates.

[GuitarBob]

Originally Posted by 308bolt

Not to be impolite but educate yourself.
The information is all there if you look for it like you should have to begin with if you honestly vetted the candidates.

People have educated themselves, and they all think he's an isolationist.

[Roadmarker]

Is this a forum on sharing ideas and discussing political views?
If you don't want to "enlighten" me I will stick with what I have learned on my own. The door is always open though and I like to hear from other points of views.
Romney is the Republican canidate. He will defeat Obama. I say get behind him and help America rebuild and succeed. He will will represent all of us, he knows how to lead. Do you think you're going to change the Patriot Act under Obama? Health care? Forced socialism and government mandates?
Sorry guys, there is only one horse in the race to unseat Obama. Can you imagine what America would look like with four more years of the present administration? I shudder at the thought. My children deserve better. They deserve the rights and freedoms that have been earned with the blood of our fathers. I won't let some small differences of opinions distract me from the big idea. Take back our country! That is the goal.

[juanni]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

Is this a forum on sharing ideas and discussing political views?
If you don't want to "enlighten" me I will stick with what I have learned on my own. The door is always open though and I like to hear from other points of views.
Romney is the Republican canidate. He will defeat Obama. I say get behind him and help America rebuild and succeed. He will will represent all of us, he knows how to lead. Do you think you're going to change the Patriot Act under Obama? Health care? Forced socialism and government mandates?
Sorry guys, there is only one horse in the race to unseat Obama. Can you imagine what America would look like with four more years of the present administration? I shudder at the thought. My children deserve better. They deserve the rights and freedoms that have been earned with the blood of our fathers. I won't let some small differences of opinions distract me from the big idea. Take back our country! That is the goal.

luke warm golf clap........










...............juanni

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

Is this a forum on sharing ideas and discussing political views?
If you don't want to "enlighten" me I will stick with what I have learned on my own. The door is always open though and I like to hear from other points of views.

If you're not motivated enough to seek the information out so you can discuss it intelligently why do you think anyone should spend their time "enlightening" you? The information is out there for all to see. Really.
Basically, you've missed the boat as this was discussed ad nauseum on this very forum. The reality is no matter what anyone says it won't change your opinion unless you have an open mind and are genuinely interested. It's obvious for two reasons that your not genuinely interested nor do you have an open mind.
1) You haven't and are not willing to look it up. If you were interested we would be discussing possible consequences of his foreign policy by now.
2) You're stumping for Romney and are just hoping that I'll provide a soap box.
If you're not willing to educate yourself on the matter I'm not willing to provide that soap box.

So I conclude that you'll just "stick with what you have learned" or haven't learned as the case may be.

BTW: You are absolutely delusional where Romney is concerned unless of course you are a comedian and just practicing your act. Then your patter makes sense.

[2barearms]

There are some of you here that just absolutely refuse to see the truth.
No one wants to believe that there vote doesn't count. The first time I
voted my favorite band was Deep Purple, that is correct I was a Democrat,
the second time I voted he lost, and I was never the same.

Losing sucks! This time it's for all the marbles, anyone that doesn't belive that is truly out of touch. Wanting Ron Paul to be President is right up there
with wanting Ralph Nader to be President, it isn't gonna happen, there just
too many folks that won't see your point.

First, as I've stated repeatedly the fix is in, you do know that right? If you don't believe me just look at the game being played and then ask yourself,
is this fixed?

1 Carter
2 Reagan
3 Reagan
4 Bush I
5 Clinton
6 Clinton
7 Bush II (John McCain) was the runner up in the primary
8 Bush II Uncontested ran against Swiftboat Kerry
9 Obama (John McCain) was the Candidate (Mittens was the Runner up)
10 Romney (Mitt Romney) is the Candidate.

See, it'll be Romney and Romney again in '16. Then another pair of Dems.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by 2barearms

First, as I've stated repeatedly the fix is in, you do know that right? If you don't believe me just look at the game being played and then ask yourself,
is this fixed?

1 Carter
2 Reagan
3 Reagan
4 Bush I
5 Clinton
6 Clinton
7 Bush II (John McCain) was the runner up in the primary
8 Bush II Uncontested ran against Swiftboat Kerry
9 Obama (John McCain) was the Candidate (Mittens was the Runner up)
10 Romney (Mitt Romney) is the Candidate.

See, it could be Romney in 12 and Then another pair of Republicans

I fixed it for you.
No need to thank me.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

Is this a forum on sharing ideas and discussing political views?
If you don't want to "enlighten" me I will stick with what I have learned on my own. The door is always open though and I like to hear from other points of views.
Romney is the Republican canidate. He will defeat Obama. I say get behind him and help America rebuild and succeed. He will will represent all of us, he knows how to lead. Do you think you're going to change the Patriot Act under Obama? Health care? Forced socialism and government mandates?
Sorry guys, there is only one horse in the race to unseat Obama. Can you imagine what America would look like with four more years of the present administration? I shudder at the thought. My children deserve better. They deserve the rights and freedoms that have been earned with the blood of our fathers. I won't let some small differences of opinions distract me from the big idea. Take back our country! That is the goal.

Ron Paul wants to shut down foreign bases and bring home American soldiers. Why are we still in Japan? Why are we still in Germany? Thought WW2 ended in the 40's. Least that's what I was taught. They are strategic locations you say? So what? Can't our floating cities go from port to port nuking anything that glances our way? Why can't America come first? Why are the roads in Iraq better than the roads in America? Why do we pay Pakistan bribe money? Weren't they hiding Bin Laden? What kind of value do we see with that payment? A middle finger and a lot of laughter about it all. Why do bankers get to play roulette with private money, reap private gains, but when their investments take a shit taxpayer money is used to bail them out? Too big to fail you say? So was Ma Bell and she got split up. Why hasn't there been any monopoly cases brought up to any of these "too big to fail" institutions? Oh that's right, they're paying for the politicians re-election campaigns. Fascism was described by Mussolini as corporations run the government. How does this statement not apply to America today? That is just a sparrow's fart worth of concern that Ron Paul would address that Mitt Romney does realize or care exist as problems. Let's not even go into the Federal Reserve at this point. May be too much to process in one sitting. But RoadMarker you are a welcome change in tone from the other RINO/neo-con Republi-can't fellers that just say that constitutional values are simply a novelty of fringe political values. Thank you for your positivity.

[2barearms]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Ron Paul wants to shut down foreign bases and bring home American soldiers. Why are we still in Japan? Why are we still in Germany? Thought WW2 ended in the 40's. Least that's what I was taught. They are strategic locations you say? So what? Can't our floating cities go from port to port nuking anything that glances our way? Why can't America come first? Why are the roads in Iraq better than the roads in America? Why do we pay Pakistan bribe money? Weren't they hiding Bin Laden? What kind of value do we see with that payment? A middle finger and a lot of laughter about it all. Why do bankers get to play roulette with private money, reap private gains, but when their investments take a shit taxpayer money is used to bail them out? Too big to fail you say? So was Ma Bell and she got split up. Why hasn't there been any monopoly cases brought up to any of these "too big to fail" institutions? Oh that's right, they're paying for the politicians re-election campaigns. Fascism was described by Mussolini as corporations run the government. How does this statement not apply to America today? That is just a sparrow's fart worth of concern that Ron Paul would address that Mitt Romney does realize or care exist as problems. Let's not even go into the Federal Reserve at this point. May be too much to process in one sitting. But RoadMarker you are a welcome change in tone from the other RINO/neo-con Republi-can't fellers that just say that constitutional values are simply a novelty of fringe political values. Thank you for your positivity.

Look the poor(you) are always going to hate the rich, this is what I was
referring to earlier, the Anti-Capitalists, also known as Anarchists.
Since you don't control the money you say it's all corrupt, really?
Then you say that all Politicians are corrupt lying thieves, really?
You would limit borrowing based on how much gold was in the vault, Really?
You guy's with your idealistic dreams might as well stop drinking that shit
cause it's a pipe dream. At one point in the 50's a home was the most sought
after item ahead of a Four Door Car, ah yes Ozzie and Harriet, My Three Sons
Leave it to Beaver. Not so much anymore. We are well past the point of no return, the only fix for this mess is a total collapse and reconstruction.
Basically a game of musical chairs, and there are quite a few that won't get
a chair. Good luck with your game of Fantasy President.

[Mebsuta]

Originally Posted by 2barearms

There are some of you here that just absolutely refuse to see the truth.
No one wants to believe that there vote doesn't count. The first time I
voted my favorite band was Deep Purple, that is correct I was a Democrat,
the second time I voted he lost, and I was never the same.

Losing sucks! This time it's for all the marbles, anyone that doesn't belive that is truly out of touch. Wanting Ron Paul to be President is right up there
with wanting Ralph Nader to be President, it isn't gonna happen, there just
too many folks that won't see your point.

First, as I've stated repeatedly the fix is in, you do know that right? If you don't believe me just look at the game being played and then ask yourself,
is this fixed?

1 Carter
2 Reagan
3 Reagan
4 Bush I
5 Clinton
6 Clinton
7 Bush II (John McCain) was the runner up in the primary
8 Bush II Uncontested ran against Swiftboat Kerry
9 Obama (John McCain) was the Candidate (Mittens was the Runner up)
10 Romney (Mitt Romney) is the Candidate.

See, it'll be Romney and Romney again in '16. Then another pair of Dems.

You voted for Deep Purple? They had David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes in '76, I think. Can't remember if Blackmore was in Rainbow yet or not.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by 2barearms

Look the poor(you) are always going to hate the rich, this is what I was
referring to earlier, the Anti-Capitalists, also known as Anarchists.
Since you don't control the money you say it's all corrupt, really?
Then you say that all Politicians are corrupt lying thieves, really?
You would limit borrowing based on how much gold was in the vault, Really?
You guy's with your idealistic dreams might as well stop drinking that shit
cause it's a pipe dream. At one point in the 50's a home was the most sought
after item ahead of a Four Door Car, ah yes Ozzie and Harriet, My Three Sons
Leave it to Beaver. Not so much anymore. We are well past the point of no return, the only fix for this mess is a total collapse and reconstruction.
Basically a game of musical chairs, and there are quite a few that won't get
a chair. Good luck with your game of Fantasy President.

Seeing as you don't know me your assumptions about my situation are quite misinformed. Assumption is the mother of all f*** ups. I don't care if you believe that or not. To me you are a douchey old braggart (you pay 40,000 in taxes and then say I shouldn't pay my property taxes? Sure you do pal) I couldn't care less what some crusty old nobody on the internet boasts about. Its smelling kinda funky. Your crock of shit that is... With that said I also believe the math doesn't add up to come back from the edge. I have enough assets to be concerned about losing in the collapse. I have made and am currently making further preparations to cover my bases. Good luck with your game of lesser of two evils for President. I'm hopeful you can live with the fact that settling for mediocrity only breeds lower and lower plateaus of mediocrity. You probably wake up everyday and see it all around and have come to accept the notion of good enough is just right. Enjoy.

[juanni]

Originally Posted by 2barearms

We are well past the point of no return, the only fix for this mess is a total collapse and reconstruction.

If you believe that why the cheer leading for Romney?


Or part B.

Just how many of you are there?





..........juanni

[308bolt]

There were enough last time to get obama elected.

[Pistolwiz]

Back on the subject......

If mittens is over the top. Then why are the romneybots so eager to cheat at the LA state convention?

http://www.thedeadpelican.com/2012/convention.htm

In fact with rare exceptions...this is the kind of crap they've been trying to pull all over the country. But it's not working. Waaaay too many of us this time around.

Tampa is gonna be a hoot......

[alant]

WOW, someone who is excited about Romney, a rare bird. Let's see what we got:

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

LOL, If folks don't see Romney as the answer this election cycle, just what are they looking for?
He will set up the environment to create jobs, a lot of jobs.
He will stop Obamacare.
He will cut spending.
He will not legalize pot.....That's where we lose the Ron Paul guys.

I'm pretty dang excited that Mitt is the guy going to Washington. Remember he was too conservative in 2008.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a flat tax in his first term.
I am behind Romney 100%. I saw what Reagan was about back in the 80's and see a lot of the same things out of canidate Romney.
Maybe he is the guy to curb unions and give Americans the right to work.

I don't see Mitt as the type to go around apologizing for these United States.
Our country has been the greatest country doing the greatest good in the world since 1776. We will overcome Obama, his policies and the extreme left.

Please get informed on the issues and vote.

Yes, PLEASE get informed on the real issues. Stop playing this game of wedge issue de jour, conspiracy theory and gotcha.

Did Reagan cut spending? NO! Government spending went thru the roof under Reagan. Whatever you saw in that regard has been misremembered or woven into a fable.

Did Romney put in place the first state universal health care plan? YES!

If he gets rid of Obamacare then what? We're back to those of us with insurance paying for those without. An increasing number of families are going to not have insurance - that's the trend - unless SOMETHING big changes. What's Romney's plan, other than to end Obamacare?

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care
In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition. But that's what we had before Obamacare???

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.
•Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
. . .
•Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines

In other words, cap the federal govts medicare expenses and shift costs to the states and the elderly.

How does putting states in charge of regulating local insurance markets mix with allowing consumers to buy insurance across state lines? Looks like a Mittens flip-flop on the same web page.


Obama did not "go around apologizing for these United States" (sounds like Sarah Palin), so no difference there.

Flat tax, - and you say that like it would be a good thing.

"Set up the environment to create jobs, a lot of jobs" - yeah, by cutting taxes on "job creators". Mitt earned $20+ million last year and paid an effective tax rate of 14% - how many jobs did he create with that? These people aren’t interested in creating jobs, they are interested in making more money or preserving what they have. The rate of return on “job creation” is not that great when compared to speculation.

We're already going to have to cut government spending significantly to live within the revenues generated after the Bush tax cuts expire (call it 20% of GDP). Romney wants to make the Bush cuts permanent and then cut even more (call it 12% GDP). This will crash the economy and result in massive unemployment and massive government programs to feed/house/keep people warm.

You can ask Gates and he will tell you this crash is inevitable no matter what. I'm a bit less pessimistic.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by alant

This will crash the economy and result in massive unemployment and massive government programs to feed/house/keep people warm.

Pretty good description of the way things stand today.

[EPC WN]

Why would Romney advocate for a flat tax? Wouldn't that make his taxes go up? Wouldn't that make all corporations taxes go up? Why would these guys close the loop holes that they all use?

[2barearms]

Originally Posted by juanni

If you believe that why the cheer leading for Romney?


Or part B.

Just how many of you are there?





..........juanni

Where exactly do you see me cheering for Romney, I voted for Perry!
YOU have to decide 11-2-12 whether you want another 4 years of the
success that you've been served up so far.

[2barearms]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Seeing as you don't know me your assumptions about my situation are quite misinformed. Assumption is the mother of all f*** ups. I don't care if you believe that or not. To me you are a douchey old braggart (you pay 40,000 in taxes and then say I shouldn't pay my property taxes? Sure you do pal) I couldn't care less what some crusty old nobody on the internet boasts about. Its smelling kinda funky. Your crock of shit that is... With that said I also believe the math doesn't add up to come back from the edge. I have enough assets to be concerned about losing in the collapse. I have made and am currently making further preparations to cover my bases. Good luck with your game of lesser of two evils for President. I'm hopeful you can live with the fact that settling for mediocrity only breeds lower and lower plateaus of mediocrity. You probably wake up everyday and see it all around and have come to accept the notion of good enough is just right. Enjoy.

You sir, with all due respect started this pissing contest. I'm sick to death
of retards like you, first you can't read. Where did I say you shouldn't pay
your property taxes? You said you OWNED your property I merely pointed
out that YOU DON'T own it, the State does. IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TAXES
THEY WILL TAKE YOUR PROPERTY, understand? You seem to think this is
some sort of free for all board and you can come here and sling shit and no
one will call you out. The part you don't get is that I'm personal friends
with many here, what about you? Go try out your new found First Amendment
freedoms over on AR15.com and see what happens. BTW punk I'm no old
man and I'm damn sure not scared of a pussy like you.

[GuitarBob]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Why would Romney advocate for a flat tax? Wouldn't that make his taxes go up? Wouldn't that make all corporations taxes go up? Why would these guys close the loop holes that they all use?

Um everybody has those loopholes.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by 2barearms

You sir, with all due respect started this pissing contest. I'm sick to death
of retards like you, first you can't read. Where did I say you shouldn't pay
your property taxes? You said you OWNED your property I merely pointed
out that YOU DON'T own it, the State does. IF YOU DON'T PAY YOUR TAXES
THEY WILL TAKE YOUR PROPERTY, understand? You seem to think this is
some sort of free for all board and you can come here and sling shit and no
one will call you out. The part you don't get is that I'm personal friends
with many here, what about you? Go try out your new found First Amendment
freedoms over on AR15.com and see what happens. BTW punk I'm no old
man and I'm damn sure not scared of a pussy like you.

I understand. That's why they're paid in full. I don't shoot poodles so ARF.com is not for me. Perhaps you should re-read this thread. If you took offense to being referred to as a spineless amoeba its because you lumped yourself in with that crowd. I never directed any comment in your specific direction. You on the other hand point blank stated I was a moron. Soooooo it was game on. And there is no reason to be scared of me. I have never threatened you. I was pointing out that you wouldn't talk like that to me if we were face to face. Most people get super douchey on the Internet because they are a faceless, nameless entity. Cool. Your bad ass. My whole point in this particular thread is how is it anyone with an R in front of their name is blindly followed by the masses of the RNC. Even if he's not really a conservative. If you need an Internet enemy to get fired up about what is wrong in this country I'll gladly keep the position I've taken. I'm not gonna flop and I can't change how I feel about all this. The only differences I see between the two of us is that you think Romney is different than Obama and you have twenty years of perspective.

[juanni]

Originally Posted by 2barearms

Where exactly do you see me cheering for Romney, I voted for Perry!
YOU have to decide 11-2-12 whether you want another 4 years of the
success that you've been served up so far.

It will be the same success we have been served for decades with either Romney or Obama.

They are both owned and beholden to the same interests.





..............juanni

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by GuitarBob

Um everybody has those loopholes.

Yes we do. But with 40000 pages of tax code does anybody but the top tier and corporations have the resources to pay a lawyer to find each and every applicable deduction for their situation? I'm all about the flat tax, don't get me wrong. I just don't think the cleptocrats are in any real hurry to reform much of anything.

[juanni]

Originally Posted by GuitarBob

Um everybody has those loopholes.

Yep, but not everyone makes billions and pays zero tax.



............juanni

[Brett]

I haven't gotten exactly what I wanted in life since I was a breast feeding infant. Principals are great and may get you to heaven but won't put food on the table. Life is full of bad choices. If I had to get to work and had to chose between two cars, one that I knew didn't run and another I was unsure of, I would pick the one I was unsure about. I wouldn't go back into the house and give up. Even if I don't know who Romney is I know who Obama is.

[DakTo]

Originally Posted by juanni

Yep, but not everyone makes billions and pays zero tax.

............juanni

You neglected to add those who make billions also contribute employment taxes and employ thousands who also pay the employment taxes. We can also drill down to the hidden federal and state consumer taxes paid by both parties.
The real question is how much funds paid in taxes is enough for the federal government's thirst for spending?

[DakTo]

Originally Posted by Brett

I haven't gotten exactly what I wanted in life since I was a breast feeding infant. Principals are great and may get you to heaven but won't put food on the table. Life is full of bad choices. If I had to get to work and had to chose between two cars, one that I knew didn't run and another I was unsure of, I would pick the one I was unsure about. I wouldn't go back into the house and give up. Even if I don't know who Romney is I know who Obama is.

Nice anology Brett. Years ago my farmer uncle used to demonstrate to me how country folks used to spell:
"A chicken in a car and the car won't go." That's how you spell Chicago.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by Brett

I haven't gotten exactly what I wanted in life since I was a breast feeding infant. Principals are great and may get you to heaven but won't put food on the table. Life is full of bad choices. If I had to get to work and had to chose between two cars, one that I knew didn't run and another I was unsure of, I would pick the one I was unsure about. I wouldn't go back into the house and give up. Even if I don't know who Romney is I know who Obama is.

If you don't know who Romney is it's only because you haven't looked.
People settling for the lesser of two weasels is how obama got in office and why the RNC thought Romney would be an acceptable candidate. If you like the way things are or just go along to get get along then by all means vote for Romney.
It will be a clear signal to the Republican party that running similar candidates is OK and your future choices will be the same.

[juanni]

Originally Posted by DakTo

You neglected to add those who make billions also contribute employment taxes and employ thousands who also pay the employment taxes. We can also drill down to the hidden federal and state consumer taxes paid by both parties.

We are discussing the Income Tax Code.


If you want to move on to employment taxes, etc .... great but it doesn't have anything to do with the Income Taxes, Income Tax loopholes and who is benefiting from them.

If some corporations can make billions in profits and pay 0 Income Taxes, why shouldn't ALL corporations?

And since Corporations are people, why should any person be paying Income Taxes at all?







................juanni

[TheDanimal]

Originally Posted by Roadmarker

Do you think you're going to change the Patriot Act under Obama? Health care? Forced socialism and government mandates?

1. Oh, so Romney now doesn't support the Patriot Act and wants it "changed"? Are you effing serious?

2. Health care? You might want to look at Romney's thoughts (and record) on that.

3. Forced socialism and government mandates? Please see #2 above.

You're not really serious, are you?

[2barearms]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

I understand. That's why they're paid in full. I don't shoot poodles so ARF.com is not for me. Perhaps you should re-read this thread. If you took offense to being referred to as a spineless amoeba its because you lumped yourself in with that crowd. I never directed any comment in your specific direction. You on the other hand point blank stated I was a moron. Soooooo it was game on. And there is no reason to be scared of me. I have never threatened you. I was pointing out that you wouldn't talk like that to me if we were face to face. Most people get super douchey on the Internet because they are a faceless, nameless entity. Cool. Your bad ass. My whole point in this particular thread is how is it anyone with an R in front of their name is blindly followed by the masses of the RNC. Even if he's not really a conservative. If you need an Internet enemy to get fired up about what is wrong in this country I'll gladly keep the position I've taken. I'm not gonna flop and I can't change how I feel about all this. The only differences I see between the two of us is that you think Romney is different than Obama and you have twenty years of perspective.

You take your broad stroke of the brush and stick it. You know exactly what your
doing. While there are libtards here they know how far they can go without completely pissing of the regulars (gun owner voters). Your new and if you weren't you'd know I hate Mccain and Romney. The Primary foodchain is rigged
as I stated before, attempting to change the course of the election at this point
is stupid, IF I thought anyone more conservative had a shot at beating OblameO
and would have been on the ballot for the Primary earlier on (Texas) I would have made that vote count. You accusing US of being spineless is pretty lame.

So if you don't want to be called a moron don't start a sentence addressing the
membership with some derogatory nonsense.

So apparently you agree about property ownership or the lacck thereof.

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by 2barearms

You take your broad stroke of the brush and stick it. You know exactly what your
doing. While there are libtards here they know how far they can go without completely pissing of the regulars (gun owner voters). Your new and if you weren't you'd know I hate Mccain and Romney. The Primary foodchain is rigged
as I stated before, attempting to change the course of the election at this point
is stupid, IF I thought anyone more conservative had a shot at beating OblameO
and would have been on the ballot for the Primary earlier on (Texas) I would have made that vote count. You accusing US of being spineless is pretty lame.

So if you don't want to be called a moron don't start a sentence addressing the
membership with some derogatory nonsense.

So apparently you agree about property ownership or the lacck thereof.

It is only derogatory if you think it applies to you.
I still believe a vote for Paul is not a vicarious vote for Obama. If anything it is the opposite. All the college kids that bought into hope and change four years ago are now out in the workforce. The bogus 8.7 percent unemployment number that they toss around (closer to 13 percent, some say as high as 20) are mostly those same kids with a giant school loan living in their mom and dad's basement. Unemployed. I see it all the time. I know people in this boat. They completely piss me off. Partying and eating out all the time on credit and could care less about reality. But the one redeeming value that they all share is that they all see "hope and change" for what it was, an unobtainable fraudulent catch phrase. They're not voting O again.

To me writing in Paul is more about saying to the establishment your guy isn't for me. We may share similar values but the RNC putting Romney up for the running has pushed me away. The only advantage I can find in the guy is that he'll be accountable in four years for his actions so an AWB won't be on the table right away. Does Obama need to go? Absolutely. A lame duck administration with an Attorney General involved in Fast and Furious types of undertakings is a dangerous and ominous forecast for the next several years. Stock up just in case.

And its not just the Primary foodchain that is rigged. Every aspect of the tangible world is rigged in the same fashion. Attempting to change the course at this point is all we have. To not even attempt for a better way is to concede defeat before the first shot is even loaded, let alone fired. Am I an anarchist? No. Does government need to regulate every interaction between each and everyone of its citizens? Hell no.

I get angry when I hear otherwise rational people say "I would rather vote for somebody other than Romney, but he's what we get." Why is that? Because of herd mentality. "I'll just fall in line cuz this way doesn't suck as bad as that way." It still sucks. Not as bad and not as hard but it still registers on the suck meter. Why not abandon the suck meter all together?

I think some of these new executive orders are very telling as to how government views personal property. Assets for the usurping. I also know you have to pay to play. Do I think you should have to pay to educate my kids? No. But is that what society has "decided"? Unfortunately so. I'll pay the lease on my property, I don't mind too much right now. But I'm always open to suggestions...

[alant]

Man, I need more popcorn to watch this show.