How can any Vet vote for Romney?

[def90]

I did not serve. I graduated from High school in 1988 at a time when military service was not on anyone's list and my parents had just gone through an ugly divorce. I had always been interested in being part of the military but at the time due to circumstances it just didn't happen.

My grandpa served in WW2, my great great uncle served in WW1 and various cousins and uncles served over the years. Over the years after thinking about certain decisions I have made as well as people I know I have an extremely deep respect for those that did serve.

That said..

I still remember from the last race 4 years ago when Romney was campaigning against McCain he was at a tour stop and mentioned that his sons were serving their country. This was at the time when both Iraq and Afghanistan were at full bore. When a reporter asked what theater his sons were serving in he said his sons were serving their country by working on his campaign..

This is a well documented incident. As a vet, how do you ignore the fact that he equated his sons working on his campaign with those that were dying on a daily basis overseas?

To me, no matter what else he says, he is a giant douchebag in my mind.

[aardq]

Agree that he is a giant, douche bag, but he is better than the current giant, douche bag. Neither one has any real idea of what the average person goes through, but they both like to say that they look out for the average guy. BULL!!

As I've said before, it's not a choice between which one is better, but which one is the least desirable, then hold your nose and vote for the other person.

Dan

[EPC WN]

Originally Posted by aardq

Agree that he is a giant, douche bag, but he is better than the current giant, douche bag. Neither one has any real idea of what the average person goes through, but they both like to say that they look out for the average guy. BULL!!

As I've said before, it's not a choice between which one is better, but which one is the least desirable, then hold your nose and vote for the other person.

Dan

Can't do that. Tired of being served the sh!t sammich. Ron Paul or bust. I would vote for Obama before Romney. At least Congress will try and slow him down. Romney would pull almost exactly the same stunts and because of the supposed "R" next to his name these old foggey's would cheer from the rafters. America is where it is today by holding it's nose and voting for the least offensive odor. Bogus.

[L Haney]

This probably made sense to Mittens as he sees government as the most important part of our nation. Just like Obama.

Wars come and go, government is eternal.

[Raspeguy]

Originally Posted by def90

As a vet, how do you ignore the fact that he equated his sons working on his campaign with those that were dying on a daily basis overseas?

Basically an irrelevant comparison. The military is a tool under the command of an elite group that runs the facade of a people's government. The vets serve, in reality, under order, this narrow interest of plunder and mayhem, not the people of America.

Don't forget that a couple months ago Panetta stated the commitment of U.S. military forces only needed approval from the U.N. or Nato or both to go to war. Congress would be informed of their decision as a courtesy. The CJCS Dempsey raised no objections. So much for the "constitution" part of their oaths. Just empty words.

Not much to choose from as far as candidates except RP and what he might accomplish or turn out to be remains to be seen if elected.

[DakTo]

Originally Posted by def90

I did not serve. I graduated from High school in 1988 at a time when military service was not on anyone's list and my parents had just gone through an ugly divorce. I had always been interested in being part of the military but at the time due to circumstances it just didn't happen.

My grandpa served in WW2, my great great uncle served in WW1 and various cousins and uncles served over the years. Over the years after thinking about certain decisions I have made as well as people I know I have an extremely deep respect for those that did serve.

That said..

I still remember from the last race 4 years ago when Romney was campaigning against McCain he was at a tour stop and mentioned that his sons were serving their country. This was at the time when both Iraq and Afghanistan were at full bore. When a reporter asked what theater his sons were serving in he said his sons were serving their country by working on his campaign..

This is a well documented incident. As a vet, how do you ignore the fact that he equated his sons working on his campaign with those that were dying on a daily basis overseas?

To me, no matter what else he says, he is a giant douchebag in my mind.

I believe your argument holds little rationality nowdays as related to those drafted and to those receiving special deferments during the Vietnam war. There is no class indifference here as the military situation was an all volunteer recruitment with no conscripts or protected status.

Whether serving in the military, working on a political campaign or just sitting on your hands during an undeclared and unnecessary war is an individual prerogative, I believe. This does not deminish the faithful and honorable service of those veterans who served in those conflicts nor the civilians who were not needed to serve.

[RG Coburn]

Yeah...just keep voting for the second worst giant douchebag....

[DakTo]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

Yeah...just keep voting for the second worst giant douchebag....

Yes, but he's our giant douchebag, like it or not.

[alant]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

Yeah...just keep voting for the second worst giant douchebag....

How does this douchebag scale work?

small douchebag
medium douchebag
large douchebag
XL douchebag
giant douchebag


Where does a douchebag like Perry fit in? Bachmann (and does becoming a Swiss citizen increase or decrease her rating)? Surely Gingrich is at least an XL.

How about Jesse Jackson? Dr Phil? Glenn Beck? Harry Reid? Rush Limbaugh? (There's probably a separate scale for Limbaugh.)

[Pistolwiz]

"How can any Vet vote for Romney?"

Several ways.....

Indifference. Not caring about what he/she swore and oath to. Or why.

Selfishness. Being in on it/Depending on a fedgov paycheck.

Ignorance. That can be fixed.

Stupidity. That can't be fixed.

Gullibility. Experience is a hard teacher.

Idiocy. Maybe the meds will help.

[RG Coburn]

Originally Posted by alant

How does this douchebag scale work?

small douchebag
medium douchebag
large douchebag
XL douchebag
giant douchebag


Where does a douchebag like Perry fit in? Bachmann (and does becoming a Swiss citizen increase or decrease her rating)? Surely Gingrich is at least an XL.

How about Jesse Jackson? Dr Phil? Glenn Beck? Harry Reid? Rush Limbaugh? (There's probably a separate scale for Limbaugh.)

Well,we know what we got right now is the worst-ist of the giant douchebags,as he has only made crap worse for the past 3 1/2 years,while going on oppulent vacations every other week,so anything slightly less than him would be 2nd worst.
Since obama entered the picture,they had to make the scale logrythmic.

[def90]

Originally Posted by DakTo

I believe your argument holds little rationality nowdays as related to those drafted and to those receiving special deferments during the Vietnam war. There is no class indifference here as the military situation was an all volunteer recruitment with no conscripts or protected status.

Whether serving in the military, working on a political campaign or just sitting on your hands during an undeclared and unnecessary war is an individual prerogative, I believe. This does not deminish the faithful and honorable service of those veterans who served in those conflicts nor the civilians who were not needed to serve.

I guess I just attribute to "serving your country" as making a sacrifice in your life plans for the good of the country. Volunteering for military service being the first thing that pops in my mind when someone uses that phrase. I don't equate helping your dad get elected as a "sacrifice".

[Jaxxas]

Choose your poison! Romney sucks. Obama is a socialist asshole.

[def90]

Originally Posted by Jaxxas

Choose your poison! Romney sucks. Obama is a socialist asshole.

True.. Just tired of being forced to vote for the lesser asshole.

Is there really no one else in the Republican party better than this?

At this point I see 4 more years of fighting socialism, not that Romney couldn't be considered a socialist as well.

[D P Six]

'...Romney sucks....Obama's an asshole....one a socialist....one's a facist....he's a douchbag....he's a giant doucnbag....is there no one better than these two....
I now see what Ron Paul's problem is....he's invisible! Everyone is unhappy with the two party designates but few acknowledge there is an alternative candidate who's Presidency may preclude or at least lessen the coming train wreck. Poor Ron Paul is invisible.

[2barearms]

A old warhorse is not going to beat the Obamanator. The thought of
voting for Romney makes me ill, just as bad as it did to vote for McPalin.

It's really tough to hold your nose and use one of the new electronic
voting machines.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by alant

How does this douchebag scale work?

small douchebag
medium douchebag
large douchebag
XL douchebag
giant douchebag
obama

[carguym14]

Originally Posted by Jaxxas

Choose your poison! Romney sucks. Obama is a socialist asshole.

Yeah,choose the poison-but whatever you do,don't take the one marked "antidote" (RON PAUL).

[Shinerguy]

I find it absolutely impossible that: out of a nation of 360 million people, some of which are the brightest, smartest, and patriotic, that we cannot find someone willing to stand up for what they believe in and make a run for the office to change the course that this shipwreck is headed. Our political system will never see that person rise to take on our current government. We have some of the best businessmen/women, scientist, etc. and this is what we have to choose from? It's all BS.

The government doesn't want any newcomers coming into town to take on their monopoly of power. Both party's lay in the same bed. They answer to the same masters that all previous presidents have answered to, and no, it's not the American electorate. Ever wonder how all of those UN laws and ideas get passed on the citizens of Amerika? Our ambassador and Sec. of State attend these meetings at the UN and these finacial summits and tells their masters that they will make sure that their plans will be received well by the Amerikan public/voters. They find politicians here that believe the same way as they do, and ask them to write leglislation that mirrors UN leglislation and sells it to the Amerikan people as the greatest thing since plumbing and the Amerikan public (for the most part) accepts it.

Our problem lies in the corrupt nature of politics itself. Many brave souls have gone to public service with the intent of changing things for the better but get turned after they have been exposed to the corrupt politicians that won't allow newcomers to change the status quo. The plans for one world government have been in the makings for quite some time and those hidden, faceless puppeteers that pulls the strings have so much invested in this plan would rather burn the planet whole than see their plans scrubbed.

Gentleman, we fighting a much bigger beast than our own political system. Our leaders are bought and paid for by the richest people on the plant. They have no plans of letting a true AMERICAN PATRIOT come to power in the USA if they cannot control him or his policies. All this bickering about these two douchebags stealing the elections is rather moot. We all are going to eat this giant shite sandwhich served to us. To be honest with you, I never have liked the taste of shite in my mouth. Ain't really nutritious either.

Just my little rant...... FLAME OFF

[alant]

In military-rich battlegrounds, Obama targets new group: veterans
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...VNU_story.html
President Obama has wound down America’s war in Iraq, ordered the operation that killed Osama bin Laden and set in motion the end of U.S. combat operations in Afghanistan. He also has focused particular attention on veterans and military families, increasing funds for the Department of Veterans Affairs, implementing the post-Sept. 11 G.I. Bill and launching job programs for returning troops.

As he gears up his reelection effort, Obama is trying to use that record, and especially his emphasis on the home front, to win the political support of veterans and military families in a handful of important swing states.
. . .
Obama lost veterans nationally in 2008, as Democrats usually do. But he won those under age 60, a better result than Sen. John F. Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, achieved four years earlier. Today, Obama is making a significant push in battleground states with large military installations, such as North Carolina and Colorado.

[E5c03]

Originally Posted by Shinerguy

I find it absolutely impossible that: out of a nation of 360 million people, some of which are the brightest, smartest, and patriotic, that we cannot find someone willing to stand up for what they believe in and make a run for the office to change the course that this shipwreck is headed. Our political system will never see that person rise to take on our current government. We have some of the best businessmen/women, scientist, etc. and this is what we have to choose from? It's all BS.

The government doesn't want any newcomers coming into town to take on their monopoly of power. Both party's lay in the same bed. They answer to the same masters that all previous presidents have answered to, and no, it's not the American electorate. Ever wonder how all of those UN laws and ideas get passed on the citizens of Amerika? Our ambassador and Sec. of State attend these meetings at the UN and these finacial summits and tells their masters that they will make sure that their plans will be received well by the Amerikan public/voters. They find politicians here that believe the same way as they do, and ask them to write leglislation that mirrors UN leglislation and sells it to the Amerikan people as the greatest thing since plumbing and the Amerikan public (for the most part) accepts it.

Our problem lies in the corrupt nature of politics itself. Many brave souls have gone to public service with the intent of changing things for the better but get turned after they have been exposed to the corrupt politicians that won't allow newcomers to change the status quo. The plans for one world government have been in the makings for quite some time and those hidden, faceless puppeteers that pulls the strings have so much invested in this plan would rather burn the planet whole than see their plans scrubbed.

Gentleman, we fighting a much bigger beast than our own political system. Our leaders are bought and paid for by the richest people on the plant. They have no plans of letting a true AMERICAN PATRIOT come to power in the USA if they cannot control him or his policies. All this bickering about these two douchebags stealing the elections is rather moot. We all are going to eat this giant shite sandwhich served to us. To be honest with you, I never have liked the taste of shite in my mouth. Ain't really nutritious either.

Just my little rant...... FLAME OFF

Here,here..
Plus the fact that the really good smart ones stay out of the Polical game.
As well as making more money in the private sector.
Why spend millions on a becoming a puppet.

Limit terms for Congress and Senate!!

[101ABN327]

Originally Posted by alant

How does this douchebag scale work?

small douchebag
medium douchebag
large douchebag
XL douchebag
giant douchebag


Where does a douchebag like Perry fit in? Bachmann (and does becoming a Swiss citizen increase or decrease her rating)? Surely Gingrich is at least an XL.

How about Jesse Jackson? Dr Phil? Glenn Beck? Harry Reid? Rush Limbaugh? (There's probably a separate scale for Limbaugh.)

Obama= douchebag filled with excrement and reaking of pot.

[Jaxxas]

Originally Posted by def90

True.. Just tired of being forced to vote for the lesser asshole.

Is there really no one else in the Republican party better than this?

At this point I see 4 more years of fighting socialism, not that Romney couldn't be considered a socialist as well.

The only choice I have any more is caliber!

[FALRifle]

Originally Posted by def90

True.. Just tired of being forced to vote for the lesser asshole.

Is there really no one else in the Republican party better than this?

At this point I see 4 more years of fighting socialism, not that Romney couldn't be considered a socialist as well.

There is plenty better in the Republican party. There has to be. The problem is we always want to attack the opposing party with the most radical politicians from our party so we can make a distinction. The problem is most of the country doesn't want polar opposites anymore. I don't want a hardliner, extreme right winger. I want someone who can mobilize the republican party and be able to negotiate with the other side to get the job done right. That is the number one problem. The two parties don't work together to solve shit. It is either the Republican way or Democrat way. It shouldn't be like that. If they want this country to recover and move forward they need to learn how to negotiate and deal with each other. It is like being married. Lots of compromise.

[cowbilly]

The question could easily be asked using the other candidate.

As a vet still serving, I always make a list of what each candidate available stands for I then choose the one who is the most conservative and in line with my beliefs regarding the path this country should take.

There has never been a perfect candidate. Between Romney and President Obama, Romney is the more conservative and in line with my beliefs if only by a little bit. Rest assured, one of these guys will be President despite what you and I do with our vote, the constitutional process dictates it.

I will rely on a conservative House and (hopefully) Senate to keep Romney in line on issues I don't agree with him on (like the 2nd Amendment). It is an unfortunate fact of business.......but business none the less.

In regards to Romney's comments on his sons, it is no different from what some members echoe on this board regarding the military. Romney is entitled to his opinion just like everyone of us that post here.

[gew98]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Can't do that. I would vote for Obama before Romney. Bogus.

What an EPIC FAIL !.

[101ABN327]

Originally Posted by EPC WN

Ron Paul or bust. I would vote for Obama before Romney.

Then I'd wager to say that you are a closeted socialist. No one in their right mind would make a bone headed statement like that. That statement sounds like a spoiled chile who didn't get his way. What a genius you are...

[Sailor553]

With the ever increasing veteran population that this country has, it would be wise to ask which candidate will increase funding to the VA, as opposed to cutting its funding. My guess is that Obama would not cut funding to the VA. One might also ask would this candidate cut funding to military retirement benefits.

[101ABN327]

Originally Posted by Sailor553

With the ever increasing veteran population that this country has, it would be wise to ask which candidate will increase funding to the VA, as opposed to cutting its funding. My guess is that Obama would not cut funding to the VA. One might also ask would this candidate cut funding to military retirement benefits.

Yeah, I wonder who that would be...

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-...th-care-troops

[Sailor553]

Originally Posted by 101ABN327

Yeah, I wonder who that would be...

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-...th-care-troops

Mind if I save this reply for later?

[schroer111]

I couldn't get through all the rants...too mush drama for me,so I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this. I probably would have voted for Trump but he bailed out. Seemed like he would run for what he believed in, no matter what. Go ahead, shoot me up...the plane is already headed down.

[alant]

Originally Posted by 101ABN327

Yeah, I wonder who that would be...

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-...th-care-troops

From the link: The disparity in treatment between civilian and uniformed personnel is causing a backlash within the military that could undermine recruitment and retention.

Military has received pay raises in excess of civil service for most of the last 10 years, civil service pay has been frozen for the last 2.

Military and families have free health care, civilians do not, they pay 25% of the premium plus co-pays and deductables..

Yeah, there's a disparity in treatment.

By the way there is no "cut" in health care, no reduction in coverage. There is a porposal to shift who pays for it.

The proposed increases in health care payments by service members, which must be approved by Congress, are part of the Pentagon’s $487 billion cut in spending. It seeks to save $1.8 billion from the Tricare medical system in the fiscal 2013 budget, and $12.9 billion by 2017.

Well, they have already insituted "cost savings" that will cost civil service employees $75 billion. Did anyone expect that military retirement benefits wouldn't be on the table?

And yes, that includes my military retirement benefits.

http://www.federaltimes.com/article/...05/1055/AGENCY
House passes bill to cut feds' take-home pay by 5%

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by schroer111

I probably would have voted for Trump but he bailed out. Seemed like he would run for what he believed in, no matter what.

You are correct, he would.
He believes in Donald Trump.

[carguym14]

Originally Posted by gew98

What an EPIC FAIL !.

Epic fail is voting for the POS Romney.

Romney gets in and all the idiots will defend him no matter what,and we continue down the same path to a huge over reaching fed gov with no chance of redemption.

May as well vote for Obama and get the party started.

At least if he does some kind of gun ban or some other crazy deal,people will fight back.Romney gets in and passes gun control and you kool aid drinkers will defend him no matter what.......

[martin35]

I'm a vet.
My first lessons in battlefield tactics was in how to maneuver a fire team, later I was schooled on the job in the maneuvering of a squad, then a platoon.
None of those tactics were predicated on winning the war in single battle, but by a sustained effort with the fire power available while incurring the least casualties to my unit.
Taking the high ground is a very old military option that is preferred where use of fire arms or any sort of projectile weaponry is used.
If you don't in fact hold and occupy the high ground but are there only in spirit you are pissing in the wind and wasting you finite resources and will litter the slope of your objective.
Ron Paul has that pretty much figured out according to his latest statements.
I'll vote for Romney in the hope we can take the high ground and continue the fight from there,,, this Valley of Death shit gets old in a hurry.
Work your weapons remembering front sight, windage, elevation and squeeze'm off,,, preferably from behind a big rock or a tank.

[308bolt]

Sounds like you'll follow anyone that claims to lead.

[chet]

Romney made an idiotic comment. No doubt. He also has equally idiotic political positions (which vary from year to year), which is why I will not vote for him.

However, I do not hold his or his sons lack of military service against him anymore than I hold it against the OP. (BTW, military service was all I could think about in the late 80's so it was on some agendas. In fact, it shared the number one agenda slot with beer and chicks for several years.)


If you choose to serve your country in the military, yes, your stock goes up in my book (whatever that's worth). Choose not to and your stock stays the same.

Make idiotic comments and hold foolish populist political positions - get labeled a schmo by Chet.

Pretty simple.

[gunplumber]

Originally Posted by Raspeguy

Basically an irrelevant comparison. The military is a tool under the command of an elite group that runs the facade of a people's government. The vets serve, in reality, under order, this narrow interest of plunder and mayhem, not the people of America.

Yep! I do question the OP - he spent a lot of time making excuses for why he didn't serve to then criticize someone else for not serving. Service ain't for everyone. It's ok that you didn't serve. You can still be a good American.

I enlisted on my 17th birthday for mom and apple pie and to kill commies. My son did a tour 18 years later. But if one were to ask me today, I'd encourage our young people to NOT enlist. How many more have to die in Bush or Obama's illegal wars, in response to trumped up, false-flag causes? How many more peace and happiness bombs do we have to drop on countries to serve the interest of the globalist megabanks?

Show Congress a real threat to US security, and have them declare war as the COTUS demands, and appoint the POTUS commander in chief, as they are required by the COTUS. Anything else is criminal.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit . . . because he hasn't stopped by to break all your windows.

[GuitarBob]

Originally Posted by gunplumber

Yep!

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit . . . because he hasn't stopped by to break all your windows.

No it's more like calling Obama a socialist. He never calls himself one, but he record and his rhetoric suggests that he is one.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by gunplumber

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit . . . because he hasn't stopped by to break all your windows.

The only people who think Ron Paul is an isolationist either haven't bothered to read up on his stance regarding the subject or are too f'cking stupid to understand it.

[martin35]

Sounds like you'll follow anyone that claims to lead.
Sounds like you have little knowledge of tactical maneuvering to gain a advantage to exploit, all things being equal in opposing forces except numbers bet on numbers,,, the Field Music never leads any assault except in Scotland and Graves Registration always does the clean and the Engineers bulldoze whats left.
Tactical reality is a little used study subject by those who rely solely on zeal and/or malevolence.
The "Signifying Monkey" needs to be a extraordinary gorilla or the Lions will certainly eat his ass.
It's not personal for me as it seems for you 308,,, it's political reality for me,,, it could even be possible we could make each other fail politically,,, such are the Horns of a dilemma in a Democracy.

[308bolt]

Sounds like you don't know the difference between the posturing rhetoric of a lying politician in an electoral cycle and military tactics.

"Political Reality" is an oxymoron.

[martin35]

Sounds like you don't know the difference between the posturing rhetoric of a lying politician in an electoral cycle and military tactics.
Yeah,,, apparently it is a common failing among veterans

[carguym14]

Originally Posted by GuitarBob

No it's more like calling Obama a socialist. He never calls himself one, but he record and his rhetoric suggests that he is one.

Kinda like Romney calling himself a Republican.

(Pay no attention to his record)

[carguym14]

Originally Posted by martin35

Sounds like you'll follow anyone that claims to lead.
Sounds like you have little knowledge of tactical maneuvering to gain a advantage to exploit, all things being equal in opposing forces except numbers bet on numbers,,, the Field Music never leads any assault except in Scotland and Graves Registration always does the clean and the Engineers bulldoze whats left.
Tactical reality is a little used study subject by those who rely solely on zeal and/or malevolence.
The "Signifying Monkey" needs to be a extraordinary gorilla or the Lions will certainly eat his ass.
It's not personal for me as it seems for you 308,,, it's political reality for me,,, it could even be possible we could make each other fail politically,,, such are the Horns of a dilemma in a Democracy.

"tactical maneuvering to gain a advantage to exploit"

The R's are in it for the long haul,eh?

I'm sure Romeny and the rest of the rinos are working on the 1000 year plan to restore freedom and liberty!Gotta support them while they maneuver into position to win!!

[martin35]

The R's are in it for the long haul,eh?
Yes and No, they will need the more conservative bolstering from far right minority participation in setting party platform goals.
Knowing when you are a minority is part of the political prognosticating process and making it pay dividends.
If Romney is elected we had better hope a conservative legislature in elected also, they will be the more powerful guiding influence in my opinion,,, a moderate & far right coalition would suit me and minimize gridlock.
All leaders who excel know how to make deals that give maximum value recieved.
The inevitability of continuing prolonged debt accumulation can't be overlooked even by a pragmatic moderate like Romney,,, in my opinion.

[FAL Aficianado]

I don't like it either. But we have to go with the lesser of the two evils. The incumbent can not have another 4 years! It will be bad.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by FAL Aficianado

I don't like it either. But we have to go with the lesser of the two evils. The incumbent can not have another 4 years! It will be bad.

Romney has the same (or maybe a little bit less of a) chance of beating obama that McCain did.

[glockfan]

No it's more like calling Obama a socialist. He never calls himself one, but he record and his rhetoric suggests that he is one.

What does that make someone like Romney who has no substantial differences with Obama in both his record and beliefs on the role of government if Obama is a socialist?

[glockfan]

And btw, Gunplumber is 100% correct on everything he said in that post. It is also why Paul has received at least nine times as much donations from active military as Romney has.

Isolationists want nothing to do with another country including trade -- so those who advocate trade embargoes, for instance, are the real isolationists. What we do today with our foreign policy is basically what Woodrow Wilson advocated in making the world safe for democracy.