New receiver building

[coov1]

Is it legal to build a FAL using a new manufacture receiver, obviously observing the seven US parts rule?

[amstel78]

Originally Posted by coov1

Is it legal to build a FAL using a new manufacture receiver, obviously observing the seven US parts rule?

Of course; just no FA unless you're a class3 manufacturer.

[Jarhead504]

If you are building a FAL from a new American made receiver, does the receiver AND the ejector block count "as TWO parts"?

Just curious. I mean it ought to count as two parts, since it is two separate parts Made in the USA, right?

Jarhead504

[4markk]

Originally Posted by Jarhead504

If you are building a FAL from a new American made receiver, does the receiver AND the ejector block count "as TWO parts"?

Just curious. I mean it ought to count as two parts, since it is two separate parts Made in the USA, right?

Jarhead504

Of course it counts as two parts, just NOT two parts as defined by 922r. The BATF has listed a set of parts that make up a "non-sporting" semi-auto rifle. Of those defined parts, the FAL poses 17 of them.

922r makes it illegal to assemble an imported non-sporting semi-auto rifle. The BATF states for a NSSA rifle to be considered US Made it cannot contain more than 10 of the defined imported parts. If the part is not on the list, it doesn't count toward 922r. The ejector block is not on the list. Clear as mud????

[4x401]

Please refrain from such comments... unless you can show an ATF letter proving it.

[def90]

Originally Posted by Jarhead504

If you are building a FAL from a new American made receiver, does the receiver AND the ejector block count "as TWO parts"?

Just curious. I mean it ought to count as two parts, since it is two separate parts Made in the USA, right?

Jarhead504

No.. There is a specific list of the parts that qualify for the FAL. They are:

upper receiver
barrel
muzzle attachment
bolt
bolt carrier
charging handle
gas piston
lower receiver
trigger
hammer
sear
buttstock
pistol grip
handguard
magazine body
magazine follower
magazine floorplate

You must have 7 of the above parts being US manufacture. If you do not have a muzzle device than you only need 6.

[4markk]

Edit to delete 4X4 quote.

That is NOT true. If you "Assemble" a non-sporting semi-auto rifle it MUST comply with 922r. Or you are breaking the law. Yes it is a stupid law and near unenforceable, but it is the law. If you want to break the law that is totally up to you. But don't entice others to do so by giving them false information.

Here is the law. If you notice, nowhere in there does it state, "it's OK if it's for your own personal use".
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18 U.S.C. § 922(r)

It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to -

(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or

(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.
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As much as this is discussed on here it's hard to believe that it's still so misunderstood. Yes there is a LOT of gray area when it come to 922r and YES it is a stupid law. But give the correct information to people and let them make their own decision on whether they want to obey it or not.

[4markk]

Here's the BATF regulation:

27 CFR 478.39 - ASSEMBLY OF NON-SPORTING SHOTGUNS AND SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES FROM IMPORTED PARTS

(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or

(2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the provisions of Sec. 178.151; or

(3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.

(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Butt stocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, hand guards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floor plates

[MK ULTRA]

4MARKK whats your point??

You said the same thing 3 times and DEF90 said it once........

Yes no more than 10 imported parts on an FAL.....

Thats 7 US parts with a FH and 6 US parts W/O.

Now thats 5 times it's been said.

AND COOV1 if you have to ask it's probably NOT legal in your state. Where do you live??

[FALRifle]

Just curious what are the parts that most people replace? I would think the cheapest parts but then again you want to maintain the integrity of the rifle by keeping the most important parts on the rifle.

[4markk]

Originally Posted by MK ULTRA

4MARKK whats your point??

My point was in response to someone's post that has now been deleted.

[4markk]

Originally Posted by FALRifle

Just curious what are the parts that most people replace? I would think the cheapest parts but then again you want to maintain the integrity of the rifle by keeping the most important parts on the rifle.

Exactly, the cheapest are best. A DSA mag is worth 3 parts + US Receiver + US Gas Piston + US Flashhider + US Pistol Grip = 7 parts.

Some people don't like to use the mag as compliance, but it is legit. If you don't want to use the mag, either replace the Hammer-Trigger-Sear or Handguard-Buttstock-Sear

[MK ULTRA]

Originally Posted by 4markk

My point was in response to someone's post that has now been deleted.

Well I'm sorry. I guess that would make it confusing.

coov1 never did come back and say what state he was in.

We have all talked about buying receivers and kits and building rifles for the last 12 years and someone comes in out of left field and asks us if it's legal.

That just seemed odd.