What "parts-gun" FAL's actually sell for (on Gunbroker)

[nwobhm]

http://www.l1a1.com/forums/showthrea...postid=3033188

Abominog posted 40k here but never came back with a link.

[LKY_13]

Originally Posted by skeeterbay

There are still deals out there. I walked into a two rack gun shop not long ago in the middle of the woods up north in Maine. Low and behold I spotted a Fal on the rack. Which is very, very rare in this area. I ask the shop owner if I could break it down and he said only if I knew how to put back together. It was a very nice all matching numbers STG kit on a gear logo receiver. I didn't really want the gun but the owner, after finding out I knew what it was actually begged me to buy it. Seems I was the first person to enter his shop that even knew what it was. He said he would never find another person that knew what it was and he would never be able to sell it in this area. He himself had no clue about Fal's. I tried to educate him and I told him it was worth more than what he had as a price. However he just had no faith that he could ever sell that rifle around here. He asked me if I had any shot guns or anything else he could trade me for it. I told him it was a good rifle and I couldn't see it not having a good home. So I bought it out right for about 600.00 and he threw in a batch of mags that he had gotten with the rifle.

I took it home and checked head space and it was right on the money. A day at the range revealed that whoever built it did a very good job. The shop owner took down my phone number in case he ever needed any information on a Fal again.

Just one week later I found a very nice all matching number STG kit at another shop for less then you would pay for a used century receiver. All in all it's been a pretty dang good two months. Especially for a place that usually has nothing but bolt and lever guns. These are the first two Fal items I have ever seen in my area, accept for my own. I went out and bought a lottery ticket but I guess my lucky streak had worn off.

...

Very happy for you. That would make a great set of days.

[irish]

DSA did sell NIW barrels. They were never advertised, you had to ask. They also sold new bolts (they were advertised) but I never got lucky enough to get NIW BC's or lowers. They must have either used them for their builds or sold them very quickly. If you have one of those you got hit the jackpot.
Some stuff they only advertised once or twice, Type 1 Argy recievers (Type 3's milled with lightening cuts after they got the Styer prints), 18" FN made para barrels that were new take-offs reparked by DSA, etc. That kinda stuff sold real quick.

[Thorack]

Yeah,

Irish I bought one of the NIW Steyr bolts has to have been at least 8 years ago. Didn't look any better than the NOS FN bolts I had. Sold it for twice what I paid to fund an M1A build.

Thorack

[irish]

Thorack,
Did you buy any of the Israeli kits A & D Global sold? They all came with new air gauged barrels, which was nice, but had Argy bolts and BC's. DSA never sold any Israeli bolts or BC's so I've often wondered where those parts went. They were neat kits, the Hebrew fire control symbols on the lower were overstamped with "R, S and A" in a recessed circle. Never seen any other Israeli lowers stamped like that. No one I've ever talked to has been able to provide an explanation for those overstampings.

[Thorack]

Irish,

Was never offered a A N D Global kit but have seen and handled an air gauged barrel. Never bought one. I have Two Izzy HB both standard though.

Thorack

[Z09SS]

Originally Posted by C2A1

I think good kit rifles are going to keep rising. Sure we are nut cases but there seems to be more coming along, simple demographics. The M1A is still in production but as was pointed out there may not be enough newbies to keep the FAL in production so that which are left will migrate to those in the know and as such will be subject to supply and demand. Just look what has already happened with new mil spec parts. I payed $50.00 for a new in wrap L2A1 barrel and $150.00 for a Lithgow receiever because that was what it was worth back in 1989. Add $75.00 for the top cover with site and a couple of hundred for an L1A1 kit(with barrel) and another $50.00 for an NOS bipod set-up with metal spring lock. It is a kit rifle. Is it worth more than $1K. I think so. Go to a gun show and you'll see nice M1As. Nice FALs are much rarer. The reason is there are enough knowledgable folks out there buying them up. Evenually the price will flatten out but let's face it a nice belgium 50.00 runs $3K. Nice argies and SAR48s can still be found for less but those days are passing. I wouldn't feel ripped off to get an NOS STG 58 kit rifle for $2K if I were in the market. The one in the MP now is a good price, certainly not outragous. Now the question is will anyone accept dollars in the future.

The real test will be if companies start making more than just the receivers once the kits are gone. DSA has had a devil of a time with that. Will there be a Fulton or Coonan to their Springfield once the NOS is all gone?

[TurnkeyNomo]

I'm counting on finding one of these cheap decent franken fals!

[NHBandit]

Originally Posted by Z09SS

The real test will be if companies start making more than just the receivers once the kits are gone. DSA has had a devil of a time with that. Will there be a Fulton or Coonan to their Springfield once the NOS is all gone?

DSA is already making all the parts these days. The problem is that they're not all first quality parts. It's sad to see all the problems they are having but they are aware of it and don't seem real interested in adressing them. Their quality was unmatched when they were building FALs from Steyr parts on their own recievers but once the Steyr parts dried up so did the quality. We have tried to talk to them about it here on the files and their answer was to take their ball & leave.. Now if you want to talk to their rep you can find him over at arf com. Be careful what you say though. Those guys don't allow their vendors to be critisized.

[Z09SS]

That's why I wanna see who's going to be the Fulton to their Springfield.

[Inkognito]

Originally Posted by NHBandit

...Now if you want to talk to their rep you can find him over at arf com. Be careful what you say though. Those guys don't allow their vendors to be critisized.

That's because they discourage any type of critical thinking at all, including the constructive variety. They know that if everyone over there starts some critical thinking they will abandon the AR "platform" for a rifle that does not have inherent design problems. Then they will be left with nothing but AirSoft discussions. No, I'm not biased...or bitter.

[Thorack]

Wow,

Thank God that last Inch kit on Imbel was Aussie, the wood was incredible. If that had been Brit or Canadian walnut and sold that cheap I would have cried. Somebody got a great deal.

Thorack

[fbody93]

Originally Posted by Thorack

Wow,

Thank God that last Inch kit on Imbel was Aussie, the wood was incredible. If that had been Brit or Canadian walnut and sold that cheap I would have cried. Somebody got a great deal.

Thorack

I am the new owner of the rifle in question. I actually bought that one and the Entreprise rifle listed on the first page for $965. I think I did ok on price. More importantly than price though, I liked how they looked. One mans trash is another's treasure I guess. Hopefully they function!

Greg

[Thorack]

Hmmm,

DSA losing some of its cachet as a premium brand? Hard to believe it only went for $1150. Wonder what it would have sold for on the Files?

Thorack

[Methane]

An all numbers matching frankenfal listed on gbroker, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=291635195

[Abominog]

Originally Posted by fbody93

I am the new owner of the rifle in question. I actually bought that one and the Entreprise rifle listed on the first page for $965. I think I did ok on price. More importantly than price though, I liked how they looked. One mans trash is another's treasure I guess. Hopefully they function!


Greg

I am shocked that the L1A1 on the Entreprise BP receiver went for so low. This would have been a great find for somebody in NY or a ban state.

[fbody93]

Originally Posted by Abominog

I am shocked that the L1A1 on the Entreprise BP receiver went for so low. This would have been a great find for somebody in NY or a ban state.

I was shocked too! I made what I considered a low bid on it, met the reserve and was high bidder with 3 or 4 days to go. I FULLY expected it to go for a lot more with more bidders, so I bid on the Imbel/Aussie rifle and won. Days started passing and I freaking won the Entreprise rifle as well. Wasn't really counting on that happening....neither was the wife. Shhhh....I haven't told her yet!

Greg

[NHBandit]

Originally Posted by W.E.G.

31 bids
bidding started at $70
$752 + $35 shipping
"R1A1"-marked IMBEL receiver with decent finish.
7/2/2012
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=293320590

Looks like an Imbel kit on an Imbel upper and comes with a scope mount & scope. I'd say that was a great deal for someone.

[S_Dave]

Originally Posted by NHBandit

DSA is already making all the parts these days. The problem is that they're not all first quality parts. It's sad to see all the problems they are having but they are aware of it and don't seem real interested in adressing them. Their quality was unmatched when they were building FALs from Steyr parts on their own recievers but once the Steyr parts dried up so did the quality. We have tried to talk to them about it here on the files and their answer was to take their ball & leave.. Now if you want to talk to their rep you can find him over at arf com. Be careful what you say though. Those guys don't allow their vendors to be critisized.

Please excuse the "noobie" question but is a DSA rifle in nice condition worth more than a comparable kit/parts gun?
Thanks,

Dave

[phillyray]

Originally Posted by S_Dave

Please excuse the "noobie" question but is a DSA rifle in nice condition worth more than a comparable kit/parts gun?
Thanks,

Dave

To some people.

Personally I would rather have a "kit gun" built with original military parts and a nice quality receiver.

[BlackgunCO]

Best would be to find an early DSA built rifle that was put together with a surplus or NOS factory parts.

[S_Dave]

Originally Posted by phillyray

To some people.

Personally I would rather have a "kit gun" built with original military parts and a nice quality receiver.

I appreciate the replies!
Happily, my DSA is a low s/n and while it's the only FAL I currently own, it looks good and shoots good.

Spot on about the right "Kit Gun" being good. Back in the late '80s I was up at Camp Perry every year for the National Matches. Vendors row had people who sold surplus parts--New Old Stock parts for M14 rifles and the others. One of the rifle builders went with me from bin to bin and helped me pick out the best mfd parts (i.e. TRW bolt assy). A retired Army sniper and gunsmith assembled the rifle for me and it shoots sweet. So, your comment hit home for me, thanks!

Dave

[BlackgunCO]

Last 3 I bought on GB.
Century L1a1 Sporter built on Imbel with thumbhole stock. $560
FMAP Argy upper and barrel with DSA lw lower $1150
Century L1a1 Sporter on Imbel with metric lower and US parts $650

[heavyarms308]

When I lived in Atlanta I would sometimes help TAPCO with pictures for their catalogs, In return they would offer me 'special' deals on products. Looking back I should have maxed out my credit cards with $75 FAL G1 parts kits and $4 FAL mags. Now I cant even find a G1 barrel for less than $150. , now it seems FAL G1's are hard to find and if you do see one for sale they are going for $1k or more.

[stoicrabbit]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=297749117

Is this mixed up aussie/brit mutt considered a parts gun?

[phillyray]

Wow, that's a deal on that StG!

[PAcanis]

Originally Posted by W.E.G.

$911.00
16 bids
8/23/2012
Inch kit on DSA inch-pattern L1A1-marked receiver - Century plastic furniture

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=301618756

Is that good, bad, average?

[nwobhm]

Lots of unknowns on that rifle. With proper pix and kit details it could have brought a few hundred more. Then again an SA barrel with Indian carrier may bring less.

[PAcanis]

Thanks

[BC]

Originally Posted by W.E.G.

$792.99
11 bids
8/28/2012
inch kit on some sort of Type 3 receiver
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=303076714

It's not "some sort". It's a Century L1A1 Sporter built on an Imbel receiver that is cut for Inch magazine.

[Abominog]

Keep up the good work Gary. This over time will turn out to be a very valuable thread.

[W.E.G.]

I guess not actually a "parts gun" in the sense that I originally intended, but at least a vehicle for a reality-check for sellers of certain "factory-built" guns.
DSA SA58
$904.00 + $45 shipping
9/26/2012
30 bids
" DSA SA58 FAL .308 Win. carbine / tactical rifle with 16" barrel, black synthetic stock, pistol grip, compensator. Comes with sling, 2 - 5 round mags and 1 - 20 round mag in hard case with manual. Nice condition, normal signs of use. Clean and fully functional rifle. "
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=306673394

[Thorack]

Hmm,

Sad business there. Hope they got good use out of it before they cut it loose.

Thorack

[W.E.G.]

2 parts-guns that may-or-may-not be "DSA factory builds"

22 bids
$957.02 + $35 shipping
10/12/2012
chopped barrel
"Austrian made STG58 FN FAL with an American DSA Type II receiver and many original FN FAL parts."
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=308876784

16 bids
$1,094.00 + $35 shipping
10/14/2012
"DSA SA58 FAL Rifle"
DSA float tube and what may be a US-made "medium weight" barrel, or a cut-down Izzy HB.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=310404722

[W.E.G.]

6 bids
$1,000.00 + $35 shipping
10/17/2012
L1A1 Aussie Kit built on a Century receiver. Ironwood stock and pistol grip with Aussie hand-guards.
additional pebble grain stock set and 3 the mags (including 30-rounder)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=311502586

[drmetzger]

In regards to an earlier post about DSA, I would like to Coonan step in and do something like that. There is a ton of money in outlay costs for making barrels and such but from my own experience with Dan Coonan's company they are friendly, easy to work with and make a hell of a great product! The same cannot be said for DSA.

It would be nice to see another American company start an all American produced FAL. With better barrels and QC that is. And one that doesn't get cranky when you ask where the parts you ordered 2 months ago are when they were supposed to be shipped after a week. Just saying...

[drmetzger]

Oh yeah, and about the kit guns on GB, some are a good buy. I think I saw one listed in this thread that I saw a few weeks back that actually was a very well built FAL from all outward appearances and pedigree. Sometimes you find a nice one, but I think they are ranging north of $1,200 now. Unfortunately, the crap does too.

[tywest]

ok i wont brag about my mint stg58 kit on poopy but operable hesse reciever-$260 in it

early century l1a1 kit on unmarked imbel $520 in it

early century aussie kit on imbel unmarked $630 in it

early century l1a1 kit on imbel $550 in it

all in the last 12 months........they are out there, i wont say how much time i spent browsing the innardnet haha

sold hansenacr one unmarked imbel with l1a1 kit with 90% wood furniture (handguards too) for $725

[BC]

Originally Posted by tywest

early century l1a1 kit on unmarked imbel $520 in it

early century aussie kit on imbel unmarked $630 in it

early century l1a1 kit on imbel $550 in it

sold hansenacr one unmarked imbel with l1a1 kit with 90% wood furniture (handguards too) for $725

What is "early century kit"?

What is "hansenacr"? Hansen ACR? I think ACR is a Bushmaster's product.

[tywest]

early century canada low serial as in pre hesse/vulcan/what have you

hansenacr as in a recent member close to me

[tywest]

correct

[W.E.G.]

34 bids
$940.00 + $38 shipping
10/29/2012
Inch kit on Century receiver with Century furniture.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=313024475

13 bids
$1,025.00 + $25 shipping
10/28/2012
matching numbers Rhodesian kit on PAC/IMBEL receiver
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=313137282

[Army-ranger]

DSA

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=313545672


DSA SA58 FAL Spartan Tactical Rifle -- Only $1780 , They usually sell for $2800

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=313547822

[tac556-1]

Hey Mr Army Ranger- why are you listing your factory DSA rifle auctions in this thread? You just wasted my time as I was wondering what kit build sold for that much, but it is clear you are selling these. List them in the marketplace.

[W.E.G.]

19 bids
$706.00 + $35 shipping
11/8/2012
CENTURY ARMS L1A1 FAL SEMI AUTO RIFLE-IMBEL
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=314353144

20 bids
$1,600.00 + actual shipping
11/7/2012
Sweet FN/FAL R1A1 Sporter in .308 cherry furniture
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=313337795

[Abominog]

$1600? Seriously?

[W.E.G.]

Originally Posted by Abominog

$1600? Seriously?

Things that make you go "Hmmmm..."