Ron Paul's enduring revolution

[Temp]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/17/th...ng-revolution/

[308bolt]

If all that were true I'd have seen it on Fox news.

[martin35]

Almost every part of what is called the "Paul Doctrine" has been part of this countries political discourse since the beginning, and it should remain a part without the exclusion of other political discourse until our ending.
I'm beginning to wonder if heaven is going to be boring? With My USMC and Walmart greeter experience I should have a job at the Main gate all sewed up, so be forewarned have picture ID ready during the Dog Watch.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by martin35

Almost every part of what is called the "Paul Doctrine" has been part of this countries political discourse since the beginning,

He didn't invent it, he's just old enough to remember it.
It used to be the Republican party platform.

[0302]

ron who?

[juanni]

Originally Posted by 0302

ron who?

Another educated voter wanders into the Politics Forum.





...............juanni

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by juanni

Another educated voter wanders into the Politics Forum.





...............juanni

Ron Paul has said it's an intellectual revolution.
I haven't been the least bit surprised by who his detractors are.

[alant]

Ron Paul is a steaming pile of intellect if ever there was one.

[shlomo]

Originally Posted by alant

Ron Paul is a steaming pile of intellect if ever there was one.

Always with the insults...

[alant]

Originally Posted by shlomo

Always with the insults...

I'm not attacking anyone that posts on this board. Plus, I get a nickel every time someone uses that line.

[shlomo]

Originally Posted by alant

I'm not attacking anyone that posts on this board. Plus, I get a nickel every time someone uses that line.

Yer still bein' a meanie.

At least I say it to yer face (figuratively, I know).


(Brought to you by Carl's Jr.)

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by alant

Ron Paul is a steaming pile of intellect if ever there was one.

At least you can claim the steaming and pile parts for yourself.

Two out of three ain't bad.

[DakTo]

Originally Posted by alant

Ron Paul is a steaming pile of intellect if ever there was one.

Wow! That one is right out of MoveOn where Bill lives.

[RG Coburn]

I'm sure the shot-up G.I.s he sewed back together in Viet Nam felt the same way....

[Sailor553]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

I'm sure the shot-up G.I.s he sewed back together in Viet Nam felt the same way....

You mean this guy:

"Paul questions Gingrich’s draft deferment
Posted by
CNN’s Kevin Liptak

(CNN) – Ron Paul issued a new hit on Newt Gingrich Thursday, suggesting his rival was incautious by taking a hawkish stance on U.S. defense while having deferred military service himself.

“He’s probably as aggressive with the military as anybody,” Paul said on Fox News. “He supports all the wars in the Middle East a thousand times more than I would. But you know in the nineteen-sixties when I was drafted in the military, he got several deferments. He chose not to go. Now he’ll send our kids to war.”

Or this guy:

"The entry for Ron Paul at Wikipedia states that he began his military service in the Air Force in 1963 before the Vietnam War and only served on active duty for two years."

[juanni]

Originally Posted by Sailor553

You mean this guy:

"Paul questions Gingrich’s draft deferment
Posted by
CNN’s Kevin Liptak

(CNN) – Ron Paul issued a new hit on Newt Gingrich Thursday, suggesting his rival was incautious by taking a hawkish stance on U.S. defense while having deferred military service himself.

“He’s probably as aggressive with the military as anybody,” Paul said on Fox News. “He supports all the wars in the Middle East a thousand times more than I would. But you know in the nineteen-sixties when I was drafted in the military, he got several deferments. He chose not to go. Now he’ll send our kids to war.”

Or this guy:

"The entry for Ron Paul at Wikipedia states that he began his military service in the Air Force in 1963 before the Vietnam War and only served on active duty for two years."

Where is the conflict?






..............juanni

[DakTo]

Originally Posted by juanni

Where is the conflict?


..............juanni

There is none as Paul had a 6 year obligation until 1969 and could have been recalled at any time.

[Pistolwiz]

Dr Paul was flight surgeon. Not all USAF docs are flight surgeons. Only the best.

[Pistolwiz]

I'd tell ya to eat that steaming pile alant. But cannibalism is illegal in all 50 states.

[Sailor553]

Originally Posted by juanni

Where is the conflict?






..............juanni

He didn't sew up any shot up Vietnam GIs. Liar, liar pants on fire
Turn your head to the right and cough....

[Pistolwiz]

He did his job. Flight surgeons are primary care docs trained in aviation medicine. His job was to keep our aircrews flying and in the best health possible to complete the mission.

The ANG was on a training mission here in the states at that time. Keeping a fast ready reserve of trained, qualified and healthy pilots and crews. They were used as single replacements. And for unit sized deployments that got activated when the General staff decided they needed a type of aircraft for missions in SEA.

He served honorably and then went into private practice. He's delivered something like 5,000 babies.

They can't seem to find any patients that have bad things to say about him. Nor people he served with and under when in service.

And yet there all always those that wish to tear down the success of others.

[JeffJ]

If RP is so great at pulling a crowd how come he never becomes legitimate candidate with a real shot at election?

Time to get over it and live in the real world not the one you want..did you guys used to play dungeons and dragons?

[308bolt]

If the founders thought like you we would still be a British colony.

[JeffJ]

The founders raised enough support to have a revolution...try again that was weak.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by JeffJ

The founders raised enough support to have a revolution...try again that was weak.

And that statement speaks to your political thought process how?
No balls unless you have a crowd with you?

[juanni]

Originally Posted by Sailor553

He didn't sew up any shot up Vietnam GIs. Liar, liar pants on fire
Turn your head to the right and cough....

Since when did Paul ever say he did?

RG Coburn did, and is obviously mistaken.





.............juanni

[alant]

Give it up Bolt, RP gave it an honest try, but not that many people agreed with him. He started the 2012 campaign with name recognition, a committed group of followers and experience running a national campaign. Many candidates lacked these, yet one by one they became front runners, even the Pizza Man.

Paul remained in their shaddows, a throw away line on SNL or Daily Show. He peaked in Maine coming in a close second with a grand total of 2,258 caucus votes. He has garned 1.3m votes so far, to Mitt Romney's 5.2m, Santorums 3.3m and Newt's 2.4m. That's 1.3m out of a little more than 12m votes cast

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by alant

Give it up Bolt, RP gave it an honest try, but not that many people agreed with him.

1st: It ain't over till it's over.
Many battles were 11th hour victories but not one battle was won by the first guy to give up.

2nd: Win, lose or draw in this election and makes little difference.
In the 60s there was a similar revolution which won the socialist the White House in 08.
At the time (1969) they stated that they'd have the White House in 40 years.
(and I was there so I know)

The support you are witnessing of younger couples and school age people today for Ron Paul is exactly how it all started in the 60s.
The primary difference today is it's about liberty rather than entitlement.
The entitlement mentality has failed and it's obvious for all to see.
This is the swing of the pendulum.

It ain't over till it's over and even then it's just begun.

[JeffJ]

Originally Posted by 308bolt

1st: It ain't over till it's over.
Many battles were 11th hour victories but not one battle was won by the first guy to give up.

2nd: Win, lose or draw in this election and makes little difference.
In the 60s there was a similar revolution which won the socialist the White House in 08.
At the time (1969) they stated that they'd have the White House in 40 years.
(and I was there so I know)

The support you are witnessing of younger couples and school age people today for Ron Paul is exactly how it all started in the 60s.
The primary difference today is it's about liberty rather than entitlement.
The entitlement mentality has failed and it's obvious for all to see.
This is the swing of the pendulum.

It ain't over till it's over and even then it's just begun.

Bet you were the d&d champ...into renaissance festivals too? You need to start dealing with the realities of the situation..wishing ain't gonna make it so.

[shlomo]

Originally Posted by JeffJ

Bet you were the d&d champ...into renaissance festivals too? You need to start dealing with the realities of the situation..wishing ain't gonna make it so.

So, does this mean I can have all your SHTF stuff? I mean, with O'romna inna WH, things are gonna start to look rosy, right?

[Sailor553]

Originally Posted by juanni

Since when did Paul ever say he did?

RG Coburn did, and is obviously mistaken.





.............juanni

Ron Paul said he was drafted. He wasn't.

[Pistolwiz]

Originally Posted by JeffJ

If RP is so great at pulling a crowd how come he never becomes legitimate candidate with a real shot at election?

Only because you say so.

Originally Posted by JeffJ

Time to get over it and live in the real world not the one you want..did you guys used to play dungeons and dragons?

Never. But I'll give ya hell in a game of chess.

[Pistolwiz]

Originally Posted by Sailor553

Ron Paul said he was drafted. He wasn't.

FWIU- His number came up in the draft. He accepted the commission instead.

Anyway...so what? Is THAT all you have? With no proof of anything. As usual.

[JeffJ]

Originally Posted by shlomo

So, does this mean I can have all your SHTF stuff? I mean, with O'romna inna WH, things are gonna start to look rosy, right?

Ha, then I couldn't spend the weekends playing tacticool....not a big Mittens fan, but the reality is the reality..what good does it do to pine for the guy who has lost...

Come 2013 when all the power goes out due to solar flares the only thing that will matter is how prepared you are!! That is if we don't have a mini war first when the obamination loses the election and Zimmerman goes free.

[shlomo]

Originally Posted by JeffJ

Ha, then I couldn't spend the weekends playing tacticool....not a big Mittens fan, but the reality is the reality..what good does it do to pine for the guy who has lost...

Come 2013 when all the power goes out due to solar flares the only thing that will matter is how prepared you are!! That is if we don't have a mini war first when the obamination loses the election and Zimmerman goes free.

"Those solar flares are really gonna lick your ass".

[JeffJ]

Originally Posted by shlomo

"Those solar flares are really gonna lick your ass".

looking at that pic and reading your comment..I'm just not gonna say what I am thinking...

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by JeffJ

Bet you were the d&d champ...into renaissance festivals too? You need to start dealing with the realities of the situation..wishing ain't gonna make it so.

In other words you're going to vote for Romney?

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by Pistolwiz

FWIU- His number came up in the draft. He accepted the commission instead.

A lot of people did that.
Before the lottery you knew if you were going that year.
I have several friends that went Air Force or Navy rather than be a ground pounder.

[JeffJ]

Originally Posted by 308bolt

In other words you're going to vote for Romney?

News flash its him or obomination...writing in RP is like hitting your head against the concrete sidewalk and thinking...just one more time will do it...no you'll be dead before you break through...and who will that help?

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by JeffJ

News flash its him or obomination...writing in RP is like hitting your head against the concrete sidewalk and thinking...just one more time will do it...no you'll be dead before you break through...and who will that help?

I knew it.
Another bed wetter.

[Sailor553]

Originally Posted by Pistolwiz

FWIU- His number came up in the draft. He accepted the commission instead.

Anyway...so what? Is THAT all you have? With no proof of anything. As usual.

There was no draft in 1963. Perhaps you mean this tidbit:

"In 1965 just as the war was ramping up and President Johnson sent in the first combat troops Ron Paul chose to leave active duty and serve out his time in the Air National Guard, which reduced the possibility of a deployment to Southeast Asia, and finally left the service all together in 1968.

Now remember, even though there was no war in 1963 there was still a draft and Ron Paul was already out of college and medical school, unlike Newt Gingrich, so he was not eligible for a college deferment although to be fare, he was still at the bottom of the list as a married man according to the unofficial Kennedy Doctrine"

Bring it on...

[Pistolwiz]

Originally Posted by 308bolt

I knew it.
Another bed wetter.

Oh...So that's what smells.....

[JeffJ]

Originally Posted by 308bolt

I knew it.
Another bed wetter.

You know it's the guys who talk big crap who are first in line to turn in their guns when .gov say so...


Idiots.

[Pistolwiz]

Originally Posted by JeffJ

You know it's the guys who talk big crap who are first in line to turn in their guns when .gov say so...


Idiots.

Why did you state something like you would now support RP a little while back. But now attack those that support who you say you now would support?

It's not about just us Jeff. It's not about Ron Paul. It's about a message. It's about our republic and standing for it no matter how many may make us suffer those slings and arrows of political discourse.

Win, lose or draw...

We will still stand for our belief that this is a federation of states under a constitutional republic. We expect governments at all levels to follow their oaths of offices. And support and defend the law they swore to support and defend. That's all. If this is done. By whatever miracle it may take. We will be well on the way back to financial, social, political and personal wellness.

If RP doesn't get elected this time. Another will take his place the next. We worked very hard between 07 and now. And no matter what. We will grow even more and give a shot next mid term election. And then we will grow more.

Freedom, liberty and the right to pursue happiness are much more than just words. The bill of rights are more than just paragraphs on a page.They are all principles. Principles we should live by.

We are tired of a fedgov that not only operates well outside the law given us in the form of the constitution. It operates outside of those basic principles that all of us should hold dearly.

Now....Let's see if you can provide a cogent argument against what I have laid forth above.

Or you can just keep calling me and others idiots and never provide even a little modicum of entertainment. Much less a tangible and well thought out argument.

How about a try?

[juanni]

Originally Posted by Sailor553

There was no draft in 1963. Perhaps you mean this tidbit:

"In 1965 just as the war was ramping up and President Johnson sent in the first combat troops Ron Paul chose to leave active duty and serve out his time in the Air National Guard, which reduced the possibility of a deployment to Southeast Asia, and finally left the service all together in 1968.

Now remember, even though there was no war in 1963 there was still a draft and Ron Paul was already out of college and medical school, unlike Newt Gingrich, so he was not eligible for a college deferment although to be fare, he was still at the bottom of the list as a married man according to the unofficial Kennedy Doctrine"

Bring it on...

From Ron Paul's mouth at the 1:12 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Mj7z3VHGs

Mr. Bussey,

The U.S. Air Force does not draft personnel. The draft was and is a function of the Selective Service System established by the Selective Service Act of 1917.

We do not have information indicating a draft of flight surgeons, per se; however, to help meet the FY 1964 procurement objective for physicians of 1,332, the Selective Service System issued Draft Call No. 33 in April 63 designed in part to furnish the Air Force with approximately 300 physicians. The measure provided that physicians who had been issued induction orders and allocated to the Air Force would be ordered to extended active duty during July-September 1963. The Air Force received 309 physicians under this program. (Emphasis added)

Very respectfully,

Captain Matthew Stines III
Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs (SAF/PAO)
Media Officer, Press Desk
Commercial: 703-695-0640, DSN 671-0640
Main: 703-695-0640, DSN 225-0640
1690 Air Force Pentagon
Washington, D.C. 20330
matthew.stines@pentagon.af.mil

http://stevebussey.com/wp/2012/01/up...being-drafted/




...............juanni

[alant]

Originally Posted by 308bolt

I knew it.
Another bed wetter.

This is real entertainment. Your imaginary friend is going to win the White House and anyone who says otherwise is a bed wetting commie. You can't make this shiit up!

Originally Posted by Pistolwiz

Oh...So that's what smells.....

It's tag team midget wraslin'.

[Sailor553]

Originally Posted by juanni

From Ron Paul's mouth at the 1:12 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Mj7z3VHGs

Mr. Bussey,

The U.S. Air Force does not draft personnel. The draft was and is a function of the Selective Service System established by the Selective Service Act of 1917.

We do not have information indicating a draft of flight surgeons, per se; however, to help meet the FY 1964 procurement objective for physicians of 1,332, the Selective Service System issued Draft Call No. 33 in April 63 designed in part to furnish the Air Force with approximately 300 physicians. The measure provided that physicians who had been issued induction orders and allocated to the Air Force would be ordered to extended active duty during July-September 1963. The Air Force received 309 physicians under this program. (Emphasis added)

Very respectfully,

Captain Matthew Stines III
Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs (SAF/PAO)
Media Officer, Press Desk
Commercial: 703-695-0640, DSN 671-0640
Main: 703-695-0640, DSN 225-0640
1690 Air Force Pentagon
Washington, D.C. 20330
matthew.stines@pentagon.af.mil

http://stevebussey.com/wp/2012/01/up...being-drafted/



...............juanni

This does not support the claim that he was drafted into the Air Force. It only claims that 309 people were inducted into the Air Force between July and September of 1963. Dr. Paul claims to having been drafted in 1962. What month did Paul enlist?

"Bearing in mind that Congressman Ron Paul repeatedly claims to have been drafted in 1962 and began his Air Force service in 1963...."

[JeffJ]

Originally Posted by Pistolwiz

Why did you state something like you would now support RP a little while back. But now attack those that support who you say you now would support?

It's not about just us Jeff. It's not about Ron Paul. It's about a message. It's about our republic and standing for it no matter how many may make us suffer those slings and arrows of political discourse.

Win, lose or draw...

We will still stand for our belief that this is a federation of states under a constitutional republic. We expect governments at all levels to follow their oaths of offices. And support and defend the law they swore to support and defend. That's all. If this is done. By whatever miracle it may take. We will be well on the way back to financial, social, political and personal wellness.

If RP doesn't get elected this time. Another will take his place the next. We worked very hard between 07 and now. And no matter what. We will grow even more and give a shot next mid term election. And then we will grow more.

Freedom, liberty and the right to pursue happiness are much more than just words. The bill of rights are more than just paragraphs on a page.They are all principles. Principles we should live by.

We are tired of a fedgov that not only operates well outside the law given us in the form of the constitution. It operates outside of those basic principles that all of us should hold dearly.

Now....Let's see if you can provide a cogent argument against what I have laid forth above.

Or you can just keep calling me and others idiots and never provide even a little modicum of entertainment. Much less a tangible and well thought out argument.

How about a try?

It's not about what the beliefs are, we all share those beliefs, its about the reality that RP is done and if you help the obomination win by sitting it out things will get worse, much worse, I don't want that.

It's about reality and the here and now, not what if etc...every election cycle the country has a choice and sometimes they are good choices and sometimes its between a turd and a shit sandwich but that is reality, if you sit it out and wish things were different you add to the problem.

[alant]

Originally Posted by JeffJ

It's about reality and the here and now, not what if etc...every election cycle the country has a choice and sometimes they are good choices and sometimes its between a turd and a shit sandwich but that is reality, if you sit it out and wish things were different you add to the problem.

It must be disappointing when your party nominates what you consider something between a turd and a shit sandwich 7 elections in a row (1988-2012).

[JeffJ]

Originally Posted by alant

It must be disappointing when your party nominates what you consider something between a turd and a shit sandwich 7 elections in a row (1988-2012).

No that would be both parties...obammy is the turd with ears....Mittens is just ho hum..but better than bush in my opinion...


The Dems have had terrible candidates my entire life...I really didn't think anything could be worse than carter, Obummer proved me wrong.