We're All Branch Davidians Now

[carguym14]

http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/were-...davidians-now/

a snippet:

In the nineteen years since Waco, we have seen the police state explode in every direction and now we are all ensnared. Some groups are always more threatened than others, but no one is truly safe. The prisons have swollen to the largest detention system since Stalin’s gulags. The police conduct three thousand SWAT raids a month. The war on terror has made a total mockery of what remained of the Fourth Amendment. Torture has lost its taboo. So has indefinite detention. The feds irradiate and molest airline passengers by the millions. People are jailed for taking medicine, buying Sudafed, sharing songs, and selling milk.

The Kafkaesque regulatory state threatens people of all economic classes with crushing fines and a fate in a cage. The public schools, always authoritarian institutions, have become explicit adjuncts of the criminal justice system and military recruitment offices. Every major police department has tanks and battle rifles and drones are being used for surveillance and God knows what else. Each federal department has enough firepower to conquer a small third-world country. DHS alone has ordered enough ammo to shoot every American man, woman, and child. The president claims the right to kill American citizens anywhere on the planet on his say-so alone. And he exercises that power.

[L Haney]

The benefit of being surrounded is that you can successfully attack in any direction.

[D P Six]

Should America awake from it's Soma tablet euphoria long enough to realize that it is THEIR door the military/police are breaking in...should they still thank them for the great service they are doing for the country?

[alant]

Excuse me if I don't empathize or sympathize with the wackos from Waco.

[carguym14]

Originally Posted by alant

Excuse me if I don't empathize or sympathize with the wackos from Waco.

I doubt anyone here would expect you to...........

[RG Coburn]

Originally Posted by alant

Excuse me if I don't empathize or sympathize with the wackos from Waco.

Which one of the tanks were you in?

[Pistolwiz]

Originally Posted by alant

Excuse me if I don't empathize or sympathize with the wackos from Waco.

Every once and a while I peek just to remind me why I put you on ignore.

Obviously you're OK with the murder of innocent women and children.

Obviously you're OK with the murder of anybody that doesn't fit your idea of a good progressive liberal/communist.

Obviously you have no empathy for anybody but you.

Deleted - mind your language. AndyC

[carguym14]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

Which one of the tanks were you in?

I'm sure he was just following orders-the State is always right......

[V guy]

350 million Americans.
800,000 police of ALL stripes, fed, state, local.

1.5 million soldiers.

40 million unarmed gov't clerks, cooks, EPA/GSA/IRS/EOE/DOD employees,etc.

There are no Koresh Compounds for Obama to attack.
He tried with Fast and Furious and the UN manure to get to the same end, but failed so far.

200 million firearms are in the hands of 25-75 million people--50% of all American households report having at least one firearm.
Gun sales are simply nuts again. I have never seen so many things out of stock.

THAT is why Obama MUST get going on the civilian army authorized by Obamacare. There are just not enough willing Police Personnel to attack for him yet, for no real reason.

Obama will need at least 5 million for his army, and they will have to eliminate the above named forces first, who object to his methods.

The scale of what would be necessary is just beyond even WWII ops.

France and Germany are dwarfed by the size of the USA and the number of homes to have to be burned. I think that the first 50 homes to burn, would cause such a problem to grow inside America that things would get very very difficult for the "burners." America won WWII because of enthusiasm and volunteers. The Obama army would quickly desert for the enthusiasma nd volunteers would all be on the other side--the Ted Nugent side.

Obama IS planning on turning hard left--according to Charles Krauthammer, and that means, to the "heat treated, Rockwell 50+, political left hardness."
Castro style hardness; Ho Chi Minh hardness; Mao hardness.

BUT;
The WACO deal is not going to happen anytime soon, because it is all lone wolves and independent operators, according to the Dyke in Charge.
Tea Party shits.

That means 40 million homes must be hit.
Someone must be on drugs to think that such can be accomplished, and have anything left over.

Clinton did WACO shortly after being innaugurated, AND while Koresh was seen jogging around pretty regularly.
Clinton wanted to send a hard message to "the right" and he got the reply in the Congressional election in 1994--it wiped him out for the remainder of his and Hillary's terms.

Obama wants to in the same way send a hard left fist to America, like Clinton, but he got his first answer in 2010, just like Clinton.

He is simply not going to allow that shit to happen again, election or not.

There are simply no Koresh Compounds to attack; just "Joe, the Plumber's" home. etc.

We are all "plumbers" now--- and named Nugent, Zimmerman, Jefferson, etc etc.
Did I ever tell you that two of my grandfathers were in the Continental Army?
They were plumbers, too.

[Pistolwiz]

Are you happy these people are dead? You stated clearly that you have no empathy or sympathy for these dead women and children. That displays more than indifference. It displays that you are OK with the government murdering these people. You are downright happy about it. Look at their faces.... They died horribly. Terrified and in great pain. And you have NO sympathy or empathy for them?



Deleted. Mind your language, and stop with the personal attacks. AndyC

[Pistolwiz]

OK Andy.... He deserves it though.

I will say this. And mean it:

Alant...you should find some third world dictatorship that needs to get rid of its problem women and children. You'd be perfect having no sympathy or empathy for innocents. It's the only thing you'd have enough guts to fight...unarmed women and children. You cowardly so and so.....

And I do hope somebody rips off your silver leaves and makes you shove them up your own bottom while you are forced to look at the faces of those dead women and children.


There Andy...I cleaned it up.

[Dick S]

It was very sobering to me when I stood at the Branch Davidians site in Waco one day and looking at the little sign where the front door stood and looking across the dirt driveway at the flowering shrubs planted in memory of the dead in the raid...to think what is the difference in what they believed and what I believe and how does the Government get to decide who has Liberty to live like they want!

The Government is only getting more power by the day. When will we as citizens say "Enough"? We have a chance to start to say enough on the 1st Tuesday in November, but that is only a start.

[alant]

David Koresh must be smiling in hell knowing he has a fan club. Maybe they made him middle management so he can continue to do the kind of things he practiced at Mount Carmel.

[VonFireball]

David Koresh must be smiling in hell knowing he has a fan club. Maybe they made him middle management so he can continue to do the kind of things he practiced at Mount Carmel.

What trial convicted him of the things he was accused of? I have always had a hard time believing all the negativity surrounding him that was spread by the same people who massacred everyone inside. By their actions they conveyed even less empathy for the "victims" than did Koresh.

[STGThndr]

Koresh or not, the many many innocents at Waco did NOT deserve to die. Clinton, that HORRIBLE Reno woman and ATF are all personally responsible for those "collateral damage" deaths. They all died so that their personal stories could not be told. Like the Ruby Ridge gang, their murderers will never be brought to justice.
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
VOTE!
PS, the Child abuse charges against Koresh were never proven nor did the evidence rise to the level of abuse charges filed by the State of Texas. The Federal Govt had no business with child abuse charges, period. Red herring, hoping to deflect attention from the real criminal conduct there.

[randy762ak]

Remember RUBY Ridge-? How the Feds came out of the cabin and placed all the evil guns on canvas and let the lib. media photo them all day for your viewing pleasure on the evening news ..Oh those people had bad guns --Guns are bad Just look at that weaver guy -- TTAA DDA fast forward to Koresh and CO. ATF under Reno and Klinton wanted to pull the same trick same photo gig for the gun banning News NBC,CBS, ABC et al.. too bad it got a bunch of people killed not just a woman holding a baby,,,,!!!!

[Pistolwiz]

Originally Posted by alant

David Koresh must be smiling in hell knowing he has a fan club. Maybe they made him middle management so he can continue to do the kind of things he practiced at Mount Carmel.

You have no empathy or sympathy for those women and children. You are one sick individual. It seems you are gleeful at their horrible deaths. You can't even come to this board and admit that you might have misspoken or are wrong to have no empathy or sympathy for those women and children. Instead you continue to pour salt into the wounds and throw hate upon them.

Even if I stated plainly what you are. Enough to get me banned here. It wouldn't be near enough. You have no idea what they were or what they did. Yet you hate them with great vigor. Because only hate would make you say such things. People that didn't do anything except believe what they believed and stayed to themselves.

When I look at you....I see what's wrong with our entire race.

I may be hardass... I may even be angry. But I don't hate. Even you. But you do disgust me thoroughly.

And I do hope somebody rips off your silver leaves and makes you shove them up your own bottom while you are forced to look at the faces of those dead women and children.

[Hunters]

Originally Posted by alant

David Koresh must be smiling in hell knowing he has a fan club. Maybe they made him middle management so he can continue to do the kind of things he practiced at Mount Carmel.

Who here heaped any praise on Koresh? Said anything resembling a comment?

You're a F%$#ing Douchebag and everything I come to expect from a "progressive".

[alant]

Originally Posted by Pistolwiz

You have no empathy or sympathy for those women and children. You are one sick individual. It seems you are gleeful at their horrible deaths. You can't even come to this board and admit that you might have misspoken or are wrong to have no empathy or sympathy for those women and children. Instead you continue to pour salt into the wounds and throw hate upon them.

Even if I stated plainly what you are. Enough to get me banned here. It wouldn't be near enough. You have no idea what they were or what they did. Yet you hate them with great vigor. Because only hate would make you say such things. People that didn't do anything except believe what they believed and stayed to themselves.

When I look at you....I see what's wrong with our entire race.

I may be hardass... I may even be angry. But I don't hate. Even you. But you do disgust me thoroughly.

And I do hope somebody rips off your silver leaves and makes you shove them up your own bottom while you are forced to look at the faces of those dead women and children.

They were offered numerous chances to end the standoff peacefully. We don't know what was going on inside, were women and children being used as human shields by Koresh and his close male followers? It seems likely. Were they brainwashed into being willing human shields, perhaps. How did the fires break out in several locations simultaneously? They were set by the Davidians of course. I blame Koresh for their deaths, may he rot in hell.

The women chose to follow that madman, to engage in polygamous marriage and live in a freakish commune WITH THEIR CHILDREN. I do feel sorry for the children, they had no choice in the matter, and knew no better. Gleeful at their deaths, no, of course not. No more gleeful than I expect you are at the tens of thousands of dead innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Wiz, you don't accept that I am entitled to an opinion in this which differs from yours and you have lost your composure repeatedly because of it. You need to accept that there are people that don't hold the same opinions as you, and that they are not inherently evil for doing so. Get some anger management therapy or something, before you literally blow a gasket.

[martin35]

When people of singular obsessive focus meet people of a different singular obsessive focus, the one with the biggest focus wins and everybody gets focused accordingly,,, several people on this thread are so focused as to be in the Nova Cluster F**k focus category.
I'm not weak minded enough to be a Branch Davidian,,, I still do my own thinking.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by alant

They were offered numerous chances to end the standoff peacefully. We don't know what was going on inside, were women and children being used as human shields by Koresh and his close male followers? It seems likely. Were they brainwashed into being willing human shields, perhaps. How did the fires break out in several locations simultaneously? They were set by the Davidians of course. I blame Koresh for their deaths, may he rot in hell.

The women chose to follow that madman, to engage in polygamous marriage and live in a freakish commune WITH THEIR CHILDREN. I do feel sorry for the children, they had no choice in the matter, and knew no better. Gleeful at their deaths, no, of course not. No more gleeful than I expect you are at the tens of thousands of dead innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Wiz, you don't accept that I am entitled to an opinion in this which differs from yours and you have lost your composure repeatedly because of it. You need to accept that there are people that don't hold the same opinions as you, and that they are not inherently evil for doing so. Get some anger management therapy or something, before you literally blow a gasket.

Koresh could have been taken any morning peacefully.
The government wanted to show it's strength and it did.
They saved those people by murdering them.
Great job, wonderful lesson.
If it had been a Republican administration you would be singing a different tune.
You would be vehemently condemning what they did as the atrocity it really is.
Independent thinker my ass.

[carguym14]

Originally Posted by martin35

When people of singular obsessive focus meet people of a different singular obsessive focus, the one with the biggest focus wins and everybody gets focused accordingly,,, several people on this thread are so focused as to be in the Nova Cluster F**k focus category.
I'm not weak minded enough to be a Branch Davidian,,, I still do my own thinking.

That's good-just make sure your thinking is in sync with the gov............can't have you not being in compliance.

It can be hazardous to your health if you are on the wrong side of the gov. (as many have found out the hard way).

[Dick S]

After Ruby Ridge, Branch Davidians, and Fast and Furious haven't we had about enough of BATFE and it's cowboying up?

[carguym14]

Originally Posted by Dick S

After Ruby Ridge, Branch Davidians, and Fast and Furious haven't we had about enough of BATFE and it's cowboying up?

If we all get on the Romney express,I'm sure he will make some changes.

If we could only get the R's in charge of all 3 branches,things would change........

[VonFireball]

They were offered numerous chances to end the standoff peacefully.

The fed could've taken him peaceably, he made regular runs to town off Branch Davidian property. They wanted a standoff, they being the fed.

We don't know what was going on inside, were women and children being used as human shields by Koresh and his close male followers?

So you admit you REALLY didn't know what was going on inside and then you go on to further bury your own argument:

The women chose to follow that madman, to engage in polygamous marriage and live in a freakish commune WITH THEIR CHILDREN.

How do you know for a fact there was polygamous marriage going on when nearly all parties involved are TX BBQ? You are unable to state with certainty who Koresh may or may not have been involved with on an intimate level. Like the fed, you simply spread hearsay and condemn people for it.

[Pistolwiz]

Quote:
"We don't know what was going on inside, were women and children being used as human shields by Koresh and his close male followers?"

(Like Von Fireball sez)You admit that you have no idea what was going on inside.

There was NO PROOF to any fact that any crimes were committed by the Branch Davidians. None. Unless their crime was being different from the rest of us.

Having no sympathy or empathy for those women and children. Admitting to having no idea what was going on inside. In your sad little book it's OK to kill innocent women and children in the end?

Is there a word? What word could truly fit such a cavalier attitude toward the lives of innocents? What breeds such contempt against innocents that horrible deaths are not considered worthy of the tiniest bit of sympathy?

Sadist? Hmmmm.... Not enough. Needs to be stronger.

Little tyrant? Hmmmm... descriptive but still not enough. And it's two words.

(Oops.... Can't say that one or Andy will send me to the corn field. )

I made my point I think.

[alant]

Originally Posted by Pistolwiz

Quote:
"We don't know what was going on inside, were women and children being used as human shields by Koresh and his close male followers?"

(Like Von Fireball sez)You admit that you have no idea what was going on inside.

There was NO PROOF to any fact that any crimes were committed by the Branch Davidians. None. Unless their crime was being different from the rest of us.

Having no sympathy or empathy for those women and children. Admitting to having no idea what was going on inside. In your sad little book it's OK to kill innocent women and children in the end?

Is there a word? What word could truly fit such a cavalier attitude toward the lives of innocents? What breeds such contempt against innocents that horrible deaths are not considered worthy of the tiniest bit of sympathy?

Sadist? Hmmmm.... Not enough. Needs to be stronger.

Little tyrant? Hmmmm... descriptive but still not enough. And it's two words.

(Oops.... Can't say that one or Andy will send me to the corn field. )

I made my point I think.

Your point? Wiz, how many personal insults have you heaped on me in this one thread? Do you feel better at having done so? Has it lowered your blood pressure or raised it?

Your point is that you can't abide someone else having an opinion, and that's sad commentary. Your point is that you will verbaly abuse people as much as the moderators will allow.

No proof that any crimes were committed? None? Really? The courts and special counsel (John Danforth R-MO, former Senator) found otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege
The events at Waco spurred both criminal prosecution and civil litigation. On August 3, 1993, a federal grand jury returned a superseding 10-count indictment against twelve of the surviving Davidians. The grand jury charged, among other things, that the Davidians had conspired to, and aided and abetted in, murder of federal officers, and had unlawfully possessed and used various firearms.

The Government dismissed the charges against one of the twelve Davidians, Kathryn Schroeder, pursuant to a plea bargain. After a jury trial lasting nearly two months, the jury acquitted four of the Davidians on all counts with which they were charged. Additionally, the jury acquitted all of the Davidians on the murder-related charges, but convicted five of them on the lesser-included offense of aiding and abetting the voluntary manslaughter of federal agents. Eight Davidians were convicted on firearms charges.

The convicted Davidians, who received sentences of up to 40 years,[70] were:
Kevin A. Whitecliff—convicted of voluntary manslaughter and using a firearm during a crime.
Jaime Castillo—convicted of voluntary manslaughter and using a firearm during a crime.
Paul Gordon Fatta—convicted of conspiracy to possess machine guns and aiding Davidian leader David Koresh in possessing machine guns.
Renos Lenny Avraam (British national) —convicted of voluntary manslaughter and using a firearm during a crime.
Graeme Leonard Craddock (Australian national) —convicted of possessing a grenade and using or possessing a firearm during a crime.
Brad Eugene Branch—convicted of voluntary manslaughter and using a firearm during a crime.
Livingstone Fagan (British national) —convicted of voluntary manslaughter and using a firearm during a crime.
Ruth Riddle (Canadian national) —convicted of using or carrying a weapon during a crime.
Kathryn Schroeder—sentenced to three years after pleading guilty to a reduced charge of forcibly resisting arrest.
. . .
Allegations that the government started the fire were based largely on an FBI agent’s having fired three “pyrotechnic” tear gas rounds, which are delivered with a charge that burns. The Special Counsel concluded that, because the FBI fired the rounds nearly four hours before the fire started, at a concrete construction pit partially filled with water, 75 feet (23 m) away and downwind from the main living quarters of the complex, the rounds did not start or contribute to the spread of the fire. The Special Counsel noted, by contrast, that recorded interceptions of Davidian conversations included such statements as “David said we have to get the fuel on” and “So we light it first when they come in with the tank right . . . right as they’re coming in.” Davidians who survived the fire acknowledged that other Davidians started the fire. FBI agents witnessed Davidians pouring fuel and igniting a fire, and noted these observations contemporaneously. Lab analysis found accelerants on the clothing of Davidians, and investigators found deliberately punctured fuel cans and a homemade torch at the site. Based on this evidence and testimony, the Special Counsel concluded that the fire was started by the Davidians.

[Mebsuta]

Should have charged Horiuchi.

More flimsy shootings than Zimmerman.

[L Haney]

In that long list of badness up there I only see tax issues (NFA items, which makes it purely a tax issue), and I'm wondering if the unspecified "crime" associated with the weapon charge was trying not to be killed during the fed assault.

[alant]

Originally Posted by Mebsuta

Should have charged Horiuchi.

He was charged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi
In 1997, Boundary County, Idaho Prosecutor Denise Woodbury, with the help of special prosecutor Stephen Yagman, charged Horiuchi in state court with involuntary manslaughter over his killing of Vicki Weaver. The U.S. Attorney filed a notice of removal of the case to federal court, which automatically took effect under the statute for removal jurisdiction where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.

The decision to dismiss the charges was reversed by an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit, which held that enough uncertainty about the facts of the case existed for Horiuchi to stand trial on state manslaughter charges. Ultimately, the then-sitting Boundary County Prosecutor, Brett Benson, who had defeated Woodbury in the 2000 election, decided to drop the charges because he felt it was unlikely the state could prove the case and too much time had passed. Yagman, the special prosecutor, responded that he "could not disagree more with this decision than I do."

The Ninth Circuit granted Boundary County's motion to dismiss the case against Horiuchi on September 14, 2001.

[Mebsuta]

Did not stick.

[RG Coburn]

"The women chose to follow that madman, to engage in polygamous marriage and live in a freakish commune WITH THEIR CHILDREN."

Thats odd...
You display unwavering support to a so-called "president" who is the direct result of a polygamous marriage...
Don't get me started on his freakish childhood.

[alant]

Originally Posted by Mebsuta

Did not stick.

OJ got off on the murder charges.

Clinton was not removed from office.

SCOTUS decided Citizens United in favor of big money.

The police got off in the Rodney King case.

Reagan skated on Iran-Contra.

Ollie North was convicted and then let off on a technicality.


Our justice system doesn't decide everything the way we would like or sometimes expect. People are, in the opinion of some, wrongly charged, even wrongly convicted, others are wrongly let go.

Is there a system that dispenses justice with 100% accuracy? Can the justice system satisfy all the people, even some of the time? Is it the purpose of the justice system to satisfy opinion?

Personally, I accept that the system makes mistakes, it cannot be made perfect. I also accept that my opinion might not be just, and that those whose job it is to administer justice are doing the best they can in an imperfect world.

[Bawana jim]

I have alant on ignore but it is obvious he is trolling by the post in reply.

"We're All Branch Davidians Now"

Just asking but at what point in Dividian history are we??

[Dick S]

Some of us on here have used the Government subterfuge arguments for authorizing it's actions instead of the actual real stated reason...gun law violations.

1. Charged Randy Weaver with cutting off shotgun barrels to illegal length.
2. Charged Branch Davidians with having illegal machine guns.
3. Charged law abiding gun dealers with gun crimes not committed, while allowing straw purchases by felons known to the Government.

Funny thing both charges in 1. and 2. never proven in a courtroom and pretty thin evidence was submitted to a judge in each case. In any case the Government spin machine went into overdrive to make their case stronger after they have killed innocents caught up in the Government deception.

NRA hired and paid for expert gun analysis of the Branch Davidian guns post burning in the fire which the results were never allowed in the Senate hearing. That tells me that the charges were bogus so other false charges were put forward to beef up the stated reason for "saving the children" Have we forgotten also the tank sent to crush the building and maybe some children and the insertion of perhaps flammable gas by said tank.

When crime by Government is white washed, all loose freedom. The Government taking of innocent lives can not be just ignored.

[martin35]

In my opinion this is a bull shit thread full anonymous butt crusted cry babies who will never do a single thing to address the full diapers they are wearing, they are born crying and will die crying .

[308bolt]

You're just worried there'll a Depends shortage.

[martin35]

When the irresistible force meets the immovable object something has got to give,,, where is the irresistible force?
And remember not to have any open flames when they use the flamable CS tear gas. Some days there is only dumb and dumber.

[308bolt]

Originally Posted by martin35

When the irresistible force meets the immovable object something has got to give,,,

Thought you knew about prunes.

[mosbysmen]

there is no excuse for the goverment attacking that place knowing it was full of women and children , they could have put a fence around it and waited them out . i would have rather had my tax money spent for a year to watch the fence line ,then to kill all those kids.
everyone who was involved in that is guilty, koresh was a nut cake but he is not the one that sent in the swat teams and tanks and used gas that was known to be very flamable .

Originally Posted by alant

They were offered numerous chances to end the standoff peacefully. We don't know what was going on inside, were women and children being used as human shields by Koresh and his close male followers? It seems likely. Were they brainwashed into being willing human shields, perhaps. How did the fires break out in several locations simultaneously? They were set by the Davidians of course. I blame Koresh for their deaths, may he rot in hell.

The women chose to follow that madman, to engage in polygamous marriage and live in a freakish commune WITH THEIR CHILDREN. I do feel sorry for the children, they had no choice in the matter, and knew no better. Gleeful at their deaths, no, of course not. No more gleeful than I expect you are at the tens of thousands of dead innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Wiz, you don't accept that I am entitled to an opinion in this which differs from yours and you have lost your composure repeatedly because of it. You need to accept that there are people that don't hold the same opinions as you, and that they are not inherently evil for doing so. Get some anger management therapy or something, before you literally blow a gasket.

[alant]

Originally Posted by mosbysmen

there is no excuse for the goverment attacking that place knowing it was full of women and children , they could have put a fence around it and waited them out . i would have rather had my tax money spent for a year to watch the fence line ,then to kill all those kids.
everyone who was involved in that is guilty, koresh was a nut cake but he is not the one that sent in the swat teams and tanks and used gas that was known to be very flamable .

They used something like 4 flamable teargas grenades that landed nowhere near the point that the fires started.

The fires were started by the Branch Davidians, not the government.

[rowjimmy]

Originally Posted by alant

They used something like 4 flamable teargas grenades that landed nowhere near the point that the fires started.

The fires were started by the Branch Davidians, not the government.

Yeah, and Iraq had an active WMD program and was responsible for 9/11...

[RG Coburn]

Originally Posted by mosbysmen

there is no excuse for the goverment attacking that place knowing it was full of women and children , they could have put a fence around it and waited them out . i would have rather had my tax money spent for a year to watch the fence line ,then to kill all those kids.
everyone who was involved in that is guilty, koresh was a nut cake but he is not the one that sent in the swat teams and tanks and used gas that was known to be very flamable .

Was Koresh any nuttier than Al Sharpton? Jesse Jackson? Jeramiah Wright?Louis Farakhan? I can't see it...
I don't see tanks and troops surrounding them...except maybe to protect them...
There is no excuse to assault churches in this manner.Hell,in Afghanistan,we rebuild them for nothing after we blow them up. I don't see the Davidians getting a new church.How come?

[Mebsuta]

Alant we know you don't like Texas and I think that's what this is about, but you should join the Tallyban and come get us.

: D

[cowbilly]

Regarding the comment on Iraq, if you don't believe US reports maybe you should look up what the Polish armed forces found there.

All the Feds had to do was wait them out and they probably would have surrendered, maybe not Koresh but the women and children most likely would have made it out.The Feds chose to do it the hard way and attack the Davidians in their own stronghold. ATFs poor tactics were just as much to blame as the Davidians bullets. In fact it was the Davidians who allowed the remaining ATF agents to withdrawl, as they were pinned down and low on ammo. Davidians showed mercy, ATF/FBI did not. Total failiure in tactics and leadership and no one was held accountable.

I'm no fan of cults or Koresh but our government often treats illegals better than our own citizens.

[308bolt]

Koresh used to jog every morning.
If they wanted a peaceful solution they could have picked him up anytime they wanted.
IIRC: the local sheriff offered to do it for them and they refused.

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by 308bolt

Thought you knew about prunes.

lol 308bolt. Between you and Schlomo I can't browse through the 'Files without cracking up. Kudos.

[L1A1rocker]

[QUOTE=Pistolwiz;3332512

Obviously you're OK with the murder of anybody that doesn't fit your idea of a good progressive liberal/communist.

[/QUOTE]

And that right there is the crux of a leftist. They feel a moral justification to murder anyone that does not believe they way they do. Remember, it was a long time member right here that openly called for the murder of all Republicans. (The only post on the Files I have ever alerted on.)

[alant]

Originally Posted by L1A1rocker

And that right there is the crux of a leftist. They feel a moral justification to murder anyone that does not believe they way they do. Remember, it was a long time member right here that openly called for the murder of all Republicans. (The only post on the Files I have ever alerted on.)

Who the fook are you to tell a leftist, or a centrist such as myself, what they feel? I've seen people on this site say they would shoot hyphenated-Americans and shoot down DABTL for being a leftist, then cry like a baby for "having" to do so.

[shlomo]

Originally Posted by alant

Who the fook are you to tell a leftist, or a centrist such as myself, what they feel? I've seen people on this site say they would shoot hyphenated-Americans and shoot down DABTL for being a leftist, then cry like a baby for "having" to do so.

Cite, please.