Violence Against Law Enforcement Officers Up Sharply

[Story]

MYFOXNY.COM - The number of law enforcement officers who were killed nationwide has jumped nearly 17 percent.
Newly released statistics from the FBI show that 56 officers were murdered in the line of duty last year. That is a jump from 48 in the previous year.
15 of the officers who were killed had been ambushed. 14 officers died as they attempted to make arrests. One was killed while transporting a prisoner.


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[Thorack]

Well,

I feel for all there families its tragic. I wonder what the percentage of those deaths are actual murders VS self defense. I bet its pretty small.

Thorack

[Jailguard]

Thorack

So walking up on a car to give them a ticket is just cause for the guy in the car to shoot a policeman? Do you really believe that the shooting of police officer is self defense? Most of this violence is during traffic stops.

[Dave Hume]

Cry me a river.

I'm willing to bet that the actual accrued numbers of LEOs killed or injured when they didn't deserve it is far less than the number of CITIZENS KILLED OR INJURED who didn't deserve it.

[brunop]

57 is a bad number, and a tragedy for each family. Meanwhile, I'm amazed it is so low! I woulda thought that 57 pizza-delivery guys got murdered last year, and I'm positive that more than 57 stop-n-go clerks got murdered.

Anyway, Thorack is a good guy, Jailguard, and he definitely didn't mean that cops handing out tickets = 'right to shoot first/back'. But there are lots of weird instances where cops pull triggers without a good reason (the kid/miner/marine who just got whacked in Pena (?) county, AZ), and if a person were shooting back, that would be self-defense, wouldn't it?

Peace.

[JasonB]

Originally posted by Jailguard
Thorack

So walking up on a car to give them a ticket is just cause for the guy in the car to shoot a policeman? Do you really believe that the shooting of police officer is self defense? Most of this violence is during traffic stops.

Well there is this:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...ghlight=canton

a traffic stop and at least in some locales shooting the death threat issuer would be considered justifiable homicide. Note how his partner is cool with his behavior.

[Thorack]

Jailguard,

Not my intention at all. I was thinking more about the no knock search warrants that result in home owners thinking there being invaded. The majority of the deaths are probably murders. I just wonder about the stats that say officers are "all murders" regardless of situation.

The officers deaths are still tragic and a loss, I truly do feel for there famalies.

Thorack

[Jailguard]

There are very few Officers killed during a no knock warrant. most are killed responding to domestic calls and interacting with with suspicious subjects on the street.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-22/j...nt?_s=PM:CRIME
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/29/...hot/index.html
http://www.officer.com/news/10254081...ed-in-shooting
http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/130447058.html

These are just in Florida

Jason That officer is a douche bag but even at that while he was talking to the guy it was no longer a traffic stop. I am talking about the officers that are killed as they approach the vehicle or the officer that walks up to the door of a domestic in progress that gets shot through the door.

[SWOHFAL]

I'm feeling that people who might have taken BS from officer's is down with the crap economy and fewer people feel they have much to lose - even on death row you'll know that you've got a roof, healthcare and three square for about 20 years.

[4duece]

Originally posted by Jailguard
Thorack

So walking up on a car to give them a ticket is just cause for the guy in the car to shoot a policeman? Do you really believe that the shooting of police officer is self defense? Most of this violence is during traffic stops.

I worked with a guy who was a card carrying "Nazi Skinhead". He got tired of working in a factory that employed inferior races. He went to the police acadamy, got his badge and was bragging how he liked to F#$K with people at 2am during traffic stops. How comfortable would you feel when he pulled you over, if you were black or Jewish, Better yet your wife or one of your kids. I often wonder how long it will be before he pulls someone over that doesen't share in his sense of humor or ideas of racial purity.

[JasonB]

Originally posted by Jailguard
There are very few Officers killed during a no knock warrant. most are killed responding to domestic calls and interacting with with suspicious subjects on the street.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-22/j...nt?_s=PM:CRIME
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/29/...hot/index.html
http://www.officer.com/news/10254081...ed-in-shooting
http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/130447058.html

These are just in Florida

Jason That officer is a douche bag but even at that while he was talking to the guy it was no longer a traffic stop. I am talking about the officers that are killed as they approach the vehicle or the officer that walks up to the door of a domestic in progress that gets shot through the door.

Oh ok, so if it goes beyond the walking up to the car point you think many of the shootings are really acts of self defense by the vehicles occupants?


Why call the officer a "douche bag" instead of the more accurate "armed man making a death threat"? Since his associate was also armed (and had the spokesman's back being brothers and all) the argument could have been made it was an "armed gang making death threats". Being a "douche bag" generally wouldn't be grounds for those in attendance witnessing the actions to claim self defense in dealing with them, but could be applied to "armed man/gang making death threats".

[Jailguard]

Jason you are beating a dead horse with this one I have already stated my opinion on that cop in the last thread. I will state it again I would never condone and officer like that nor would I work with some one like that. I believe that officer was remove from the street or something. That office should have been removed from the force. Prior to this incident because of prior incidents. I use the term Douche bag because calling him a f&%^*#g Moron would get the post in trouble.
Very few of the Officers like this one are the ones involved in these shootings most are just every day guys doing there job. A professional police force that has high standards would not allow an overbearing officer to remain employed with them. Nor would they allow racial profiling or raciest officers. The disturbing part of these threads are the Officers that are in agencies that show corruption are often in cities that are corrupt to the core ( Chicago, New Orleans, New York, Miami, Philly) this is a signal of greater issues that need to be addressed. Wear as the highest percentage of the Officers killed are in cities that have a good police force and are professional.
The problem is that the economy has tanked so bad that many of the people involved in these shooting feel they have nothing to live for. So the go out with suicide by cop the problem is they are taking some one husband / father / son with them. The criminal are getting bolder also there was a time not long ago that shooting a police officer was usually avoided but now it makes you a hero when you go to jail with the other gang members and thieves. Many of the young thugs out on the street today have no clue. I had one 19year old kid ask why the deputies in the jail would not talk with him like they did with some over the other inmates I told him it was because he shot and killed an officer just because he didn't like the police. The kid is a gang member in the area and the Security firm was hired to make the apartment safe for the other residents.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...omplex/1169916
This kid basically executed the officer he walked up to him and pulled a gun and shot him in the head took the officers weapon and fled. So Contrary to the popular belief in this thread it is not the officers out there giving people a hard time because these thugs try to avoid those officers. It is usually the ones that are working within the community that get shot or stabbed because of their close proximity to the people they work for.

[JasonB]

If someone had defended themselves against the armed gang from Canton (at least if the video had not happened or could have been destroyed) those 2 officers would have been the finest men in the community.

[S2rt]

IIRC, this is the first year that motor-related deaths were not the #1 killer of cops.

I wonder how many citizens are killed vs cops killed in no-knock raids. I also wonder what the ratio of all citizens killed by cops vs. the cops killed by violence.

[thunderchicken]

Being a cop is a dangerous job, not as dangerous as being a cab driver.

Workplaces with the highest rates of homicide per 100,000 workers include taxicab establishments (26.9), liquor stores (8.0), gas stations (5.6), detective/protective services (5.0), justice/public order establishments (3.4), hotel/motels (1.5), and eating/drinking places (1.5).

Occupations with the highest rates of homicide per 100,000 workers are taxicab drivers/chauffeurs (15.1), law enforcement officers (9.3), hotel clerks (5.1), gas station workers (4.5), security guards (3.6), stock handlers/baggers (3.1), store owners/managers (2.8), and bartenders (2.1).


Although there are many thug cops, I suspect most killed in the line of duty are not killed by citizens defending themselves.

[JasonB]

Originally posted by thunderchicken

Although there are many thug cops, I suspect most killed in the line of duty are not killed by citizens defending themselves.

That is likely true, however the cops who are killed/assaulted are always presented as saints which is a bit hard to swallow. One of the frequent dash cam videos shown on tv cop shows is a female cop getting the crap beat out of her by a guy she pulled over who was an ex-con and seems like he may have been wanted on some warrants at the time. Usually the talking head mentions that she was unaware of his status, but as the years have gone by they have clipped out the first part of the video where the officer was beligerent from the the start (in front of the guys daughter) and the bad guy was actually complying with her whims. The more he complied (including having him exit the vehicle) the more of an ass she became until she was so wrapped up in her tirade she never even started to raise her hands to defend herself when the guy knocked her out cold.

[SWOHFAL]

Originally posted by JasonB


That is likely true, however the cops who are killed/assaulted are always presented as saints which is a bit hard to swallow. One of the frequent dash cam videos shown on tv cop shows is a female cop getting the crap beat out of her by a guy she pulled over who was an ex-con and seems like he may have been wanted on some warrants at the time. Usually the talking head mentions that she was unaware of his status, but as the years have gone by they have clipped out the first part of the video where the officer was beligerent from the the start (in front of the guys daughter) and the bad guy was actually complying with her whims. The more he complied (including having him exit the vehicle) the more of an ass she became until she was so wrapped up in her tirade she never even started to raise her hands to defend herself when the guy knocked her out cold.

I've seen the edited version of that - interesting how creative editing can change the context. I used to watch "60 Minutes," which is famous for the out-of-context quote edits in their interviews, so I guess I am still a little too gullible despite actually knowing the techniques of the MSM in slanting facts their way.

[Jaxxas]

The bad guys aren't getting any better, this is only going to get worse.