Key witness in Tulsa police trial arrested on traffic_misdemeanors Re

**Story** · September 19, 2011, 12:04

Five Tulsa police officers - including one who accidentally fired his weapon - served misdemeanor traffic warrants and arrested a key witness Thursday in a police corruption lawsuit against the city.

The officer who fired his weapon is under internal investigation, and police refused to release his name.

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic...1_CUTLIN383437

wonderdog451 · September 19, 2011, 18:03

Do these police officers not know that witness intimidation and interfering with an ongoing court case are felonies? Or is this another example of" Business as Usual" ?

Dave Hume · September 19, 2011, 18:49

Quote:

Originally posted by wonderdog451
Do these police officers not know that witness intimidation and interfering with an ongoing court case are felonies? Or is this another example of" Business as Usual" ?

Dammit, MOVE ALONG NOW! Nothing to see here.......

**Thorack** · September 19, 2011, 22:00

Well,

This one is hard to figure. Are these smart dumb guys, or dumb smart guys, I can't tell. Hope Barnes gets a good lawyer that can win a huge settlement as this about the only thing some departments understand.

Thorack

SWOHFAL · September 19, 2011, 23:25

Does anyone really come armed, ready to break the door down for misdemeanor warrants and traffic warrants at that? They probably cooked those up in the lead-up to this. Many jurisdictions won't even extradite a perp for a low-level felony when they have to factor in the cost of transportation from across the country.

John Culver · September 20, 2011, 00:19

Tulsa PD has been under investigation for serious criminal offenses for years now.

Their widespread and deep corruption is well known.

Everything from murder to drug dealing. So far they have not been able to clean the place up.

My cousin lives there, and according to her, people avoid the police at all costs, as they are more likely to kill/set you up then anyone else.

wonderdog451 · September 20, 2011, 00:58

I am sure they gave her a good" talking to" about what she did or did not see and probably a script to read for the court as well. But, it really sounds like someone has seen one too many episodes of The Shield".

**martin35** · September 20, 2011, 07:52

I'm old enough to remember how law was upheld and enforced when I was young, Sheriff's would intimidate those whose behavior did not meet the norm and might potentially cause dissension in the community.
Rowdy drunks were never just arrested they were "handled" in a manner they found memorable, drivers cited for traffic violations from out of the county were taken immediately to the Justice of the Peace to answer their citations, quick speedy adjudication saved a lot of money on extradition.
The badge and gun are part of the traditional paraphernalia that is supposed to intimidate those who would consider doing wrong conversely, that power to intimidate can be corrupting and abused.
The spokesman statement "He said officers acted within regulations in serving the warrants" is in fact true and there are no legal limitations on the number of officers allowed to affect a arrest,, it would also be assumed those officers would have some degree of aptitude,,, can you say cluster F--k.
Not having first hand knowledge I have to ask are the witnesses who testified they were lying in the earlier trial lying now?
Veracity and respect for the law is scarce in those parts and Tulsa may not be up to the task it appears.

wonderdog451 · September 20, 2011, 08:19

Quote:

Originally posted by martin35
I'm old enough to remember how law was upheld and enforced when I was young, Sheriff's would intimidate those whose behavior did not meet the norm and might potentially cause dissension in the community.
Rowdy drunks were never just arrested they were "handled" in a manner they found memorable, drivers cited for traffic violations from out of the county were taken immediately to the Justice of the Peace to answer their citations, quick speedy adjudication saved a lot of money on extradition.
The badge and gun are part of the traditional paraphernalia that is supposed to intimidate those who would consider doing wrong conversely, that power to intimidate can be corrupting and abused.
The spokesman statement "He said officers acted within regulations in serving the warrants" is in fact true and there are no legal limitations on the number of officers allowed to affect a arrest,, it would also be assumed those officers would have some degree of aptitude,,, can you say cluster F--k.
Not having first hand knowledge I have to ask are the witnesses who testified they were lying in the earlier trial lying now?
Veracity and respect for the law is scarce in those parts and Tulsa may not be up to the task it appears.

Whether or not the witness was lying on the stand then or now is not relevant in this case. If that person is a witness in a case that involves possible corruption in your department, your duly sworn representatives should know or have been instructed to stay away from them! (unless they have committed a major crime). This is another case of," this not only looks bad, it is bad". Bad for the witness and bad for the reputation of the Police Department. (Which apparently is already trashed)

**Seaweed** · September 20, 2011, 15:18

Yep, you should be arrested by a swat-type team for failure to wear a seat belt, speeding, expired tags, and no insurance card.

Don't get downwind without noseplugs.

Stranger · September 20, 2011, 20:06

Quote:

Originally posted by martin35
I'm old enough to remember how law was upheld and enforced when I was young, ...

Yeah, and I bet you can remember back when it was perfectly legal to beat your wife with a stick as long as it wasn't thicker than your thumb. Not very long ago in the US it was also legal to rape your wife. However, the manner in which laws are uphelp tends to change over the course of time.

JohnnyReb · September 20, 2011, 21:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Stranger

Yeah, and I bet you can remember back when it was perfectly legal to beat your wife with a stick as long as it wasn't thicker than your thumb. Not very long ago in the US it was also legal to rape your wife. However, the manner in which laws are uphelp tends to change over the course of time.

Prolly linched a few too...

**martin35** · September 22, 2011, 11:21

Not very long ago in the US it was also legal to rape your wife.
That's slowed down alot since women discovered the right to carry applied to them too.
Many years ago I was told by a Sheriff of a woman who was abused regularly by her husband who was a mean drunk, one night he passed out and the little woman wrapped him in a wet bed sheet and worked him over head to foot with a baseball bat, the bruised up hubby didn't stop drinking but he quit coming home mean drunk to pass out,,, and he kept getting elected Sheriff until he retired.

JasonB · September 22, 2011, 11:53

Quote:

Originally posted by martin35
Not very long ago in the US it was also legal to rape your wife.
That's slowed down alot since women discovered the right to carry applied to them too.
Many years ago I was told by a Sheriff of a woman who was abused regularly by her husband who was a mean drunk, one night he passed out and the little woman wrapped him in a wet bed sheet and worked him over head to foot with a baseball bat, the bruised up hubby didn't stop drinking but he quit coming home mean drunk to pass out,,, and he kept getting elected Sheriff until he retired.

So which year did you retire?

shlomo · September 23, 2011, 21:23

Quote:

Originally posted by JasonB

So which year did you retire?

He ain't sayin', but the date only had three digits.

Stranger · September 25, 2011, 11:09

Quote:

Originally posted by martin35
Not very long ago in the US it was also legal to rape your wife.
That's slowed down alot since women discovered the right to carry applied to them too.
Many years ago I was told by a Sheriff of a woman who was abused regularly by her husband who was a mean drunk, one night he passed out and the little woman wrapped him in a wet bed sheet and worked him over head to foot with a baseball bat, the bruised up hubby didn't stop drinking but he quit coming home mean drunk to pass out,,, and he kept getting elected Sheriff until he retired.

The drunk kept being elected Sheriff?

That would explain why extrajudicial punishment was used over a formal arrest.

**xtremerange** · September 25, 2011, 18:30

Not this case specifically but when similar things happen, instead of suing the city, they should be allowed to sue the police retirement fund.

That would clean up the police force in short order.

September 19, 2011, 12:04	#1
Story Old Fart Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 7638 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Right here Posts: 5,205	Key witness in Tulsa police trial arrested on traffic_misdemeanors Re Five Tulsa police officers - including one who accidentally fired his weapon - served misdemeanor traffic warrants and arrested a key witness Thursday in a police corruption lawsuit against the city. The officer who fired his weapon is under internal investigation, and police refused to release his name. Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic...1_CUTLIN383437 __________________ The wartime diary of Kriegsmarine Oberleutnant z.S. Max von Zatorski. https://www.facebook.com/SeeklarDiaries

September 19, 2011, 22:00	#4
Thorack Acquisition Corp Dude Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 748 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Omaha, Nebraska, USA Posts: 5,592	Well, This one is hard to figure. Are these smart dumb guys, or dumb smart guys, I can't tell. Hope Barnes gets a good lawyer that can win a huge settlement as this about the only thing some departments understand. Thorack __________________ 1. Whenever you are talking to a woman realize this person was born insane and you will never be surprised. 2. Never let Doctors cut on you unless its life or death and ALWAYS get a second opinion.

September 19, 2011, 23:25	#5
SWOHFAL Registered FALaholic #: 34346 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Obamunist-occupied America Posts: 8,365	Does anyone really come armed, ready to break the door down for misdemeanor warrants and traffic warrants at that? They probably cooked those up in the lead-up to this. Many jurisdictions won't even extradite a perp for a low-level felony when they have to factor in the cost of transportation from across the country. __________________ Man is tormented by no greater anxiety than to find someone quickly to whom he can hand over that great gift of freedom with which the ill-fated creature is born. - Fyodor Dostoevsky

September 20, 2011, 00:19	#6
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	Tulsa PD has been under investigation for serious criminal offenses for years now. Their widespread and deep corruption is well known. Everything from murder to drug dealing. So far they have not been able to clean the place up. My cousin lives there, and according to her, people avoid the police at all costs, as they are more likely to kill/set you up then anyone else. __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

September 20, 2011, 07:52	#8
martin35 when legend becomes fact Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2939 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 16,828	I'm old enough to remember how law was upheld and enforced when I was young, Sheriff's would intimidate those whose behavior did not meet the norm and might potentially cause dissension in the community. Rowdy drunks were never just arrested they were "handled" in a manner they found memorable, drivers cited for traffic violations from out of the county were taken immediately to the Justice of the Peace to answer their citations, quick speedy adjudication saved a lot of money on extradition. The badge and gun are part of the traditional paraphernalia that is supposed to intimidate those who would consider doing wrong conversely, that power to intimidate can be corrupting and abused. The spokesman statement "He said officers acted within regulations in serving the warrants" is in fact true and there are no legal limitations on the number of officers allowed to affect a arrest,, it would also be assumed those officers would have some degree of aptitude,,, can you say cluster F--k. Not having first hand knowledge I have to ask are the witnesses who testified they were lying in the earlier trial lying now? Veracity and respect for the law is scarce in those parts and Tulsa may not be up to the task it appears. __________________ "Inside the wire" has taken on new meaning",, in Obamastan

September 19, 2011, 18:03	#2
wonderdog451 Registered FALaholic #: 20069 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Warren,michigan Posts: 1,661	Do these police officers not know that witness intimidation and interfering with an ongoing court case are felonies? Or is this another example of" Business as Usual" ?

September 20, 2011, 00:58	#7
wonderdog451 Registered FALaholic #: 20069 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Warren,michigan Posts: 1,661	I am sure they gave her a good" talking to" about what she did or did not see and probably a script to read for the court as well. But, it really sounds like someone has seen one too many episodes of The Shield".

September 20, 2011, 15:18	#10
Seaweed Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 2736 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Newport, OR Posts: 1,280	Yep, you should be arrested by a swat-type team for failure to wear a seat belt, speeding, expired tags, and no insurance card. Don't get downwind without noseplugs.

September 22, 2011, 11:21	#13
martin35 when legend becomes fact Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2939 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 16,828	Not very long ago in the US it was also legal to rape your wife. That's slowed down alot since women discovered the right to carry applied to them too. Many years ago I was told by a Sheriff of a woman who was abused regularly by her husband who was a mean drunk, one night he passed out and the little woman wrapped him in a wet bed sheet and worked him over head to foot with a baseball bat, the bruised up hubby didn't stop drinking but he quit coming home mean drunk to pass out,,, and he kept getting elected Sheriff until he retired. __________________ "Inside the wire" has taken on new meaning",, in Obamastan

September 25, 2011, 18:30	#17
xtremerange Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 4305 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,339	Not this case specifically but when similar things happen, instead of suing the city, they should be allowed to sue the police retirement fund. That would clean up the police force in short order. __________________ --David

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